What do you miss about Bond, that the older ones have and the new ones don't?

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  • edited April 2013 Posts: 11,189
    002 wrote:
    BAIN123 wrote:
    James Bond. I have not seen him in the films for a few years.

    But he says his name is James Bond so therefore he is James Bond :p

    so did David Niven....

    Ironically he was wanted by the man who created Bond :p
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    edited April 2013 Posts: 13,978
    BAIN123 wrote:
    Ironically the man who created Bond wanted (as the story goes) :p

    There's a world of difference between David Niven & Daniel Craig. Niven might have made a fine official Bond, if he were a few years younger. I would even go as far as to say that he was one of the (few) good aspects of Casino Royale '67.
  • edited April 2013 Posts: 11,189
    BAIN123 wrote:
    Ironically the man who created Bond wanted (as the story goes) :p

    There's a world of difference between David Niven & Daniel Craig. Niven might have made a fine official Bond, if he were a few years younger. I would even go as far as to say that he was one of the (few) good aspects of Casino Royale '67.

    I was watching North By Northwest the other day. Same goes for James Mason in relation to a potential Bond. Smooth, charismatic but also has a sinister look in his eye. I can see why Fleming also thought of him. That said Dan has grown on me.
  • edited April 2013 Posts: 12,837
    Why are some people naming things that truly can never come back, like Barry's music and Desmond as Q? It makes more sense to me to name things that actually have the ability to pragmatically return to the series.

    Well I thought it was things we missed, not just things that had a chance of returning. But if it's the 2nd option


    1) A properly paced, well designed gunbarrel at the beginning of the movie. Speaks for itself and I have no idea why they keep ditching it. I don't give a toss if the opening shot is nice either, the GB comes first, end of imo.

    2) The full on Bond theme, somewhere other than the credits for once. I don't want subtle hints or the opening notes, I want Bond to do something cool in an action scene while the theme kicks in (the bankers office in TWINE is a good example of what I'd like).

    3) Bond smoking. Yes it's bad for him but so is drinking tons, having lots of (unless he brings condoms with him on every mission) unprotected sex, etc. If I had Bonds job I'd probably start smoking again (I quit a few years ago) because of the stress.

    4) MI6 being there for the briefing then not being involved for the rest of the movie. Whether it's M tagging along for the whole film or Bond constantly talking to HQ through his stupidly obvious earpiece, I think we've seen way too much of them lately.
  • Posts: 15,106
    Ludovico wrote:
    I think Tomorrow Never Dies had a mostly unrelated PTS. Gupta appears, but that's it.

    Still, Gupta appears.

    If you want to be that strict about it, FYEO and OP are the only Bond films EVER where the PTS is 100% unrelated. TB's PTS is referenced during the film with Bond's poker injury, and Blofeld's mention of Bouvar's death. GF features Bond meeting Goldfinger in FL because he was on his way home from his Mexico adventure (per the book).

    Yes true. I guess TND and CR were not plot related, or only indirectly. Still, since AVTAK the PTS have mostly been related to the plot. It would be nice to see a change.
  • 002 wrote:
    i miss Brosnan...The Original Q (Better than the insult we have now)

    I might be shot for this, but I love the new Q more then the old Q (which became very cliche after a while).

    I don't miss a single thing from the old Bond films, I always feel Bond should be a serious adult driven character who's flawed and not an action hero like sadly Brosnan was in the 90's. Craig's Bond films is how i think Bond film's should be imo.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    edited April 2013 Posts: 28,694
    Shoot me down if you must but I miss the classic elements of a Bond film, as mentioned the PTS, gunbarrell, jokey scene with Q, Bond theme blaring, memorable stunt that has never been seen before, Bond bedding everything that moves, call them cliches if you will but they are what made Bond the success it is today.

    I love what we got between Bond and Q in Skyfall.
    Why are some people naming things that truly can never come back, like Barry's music and Desmond as Q? It makes more sense to me to name things that actually have the ability to pragmatically return to the series.

    Well I thought it was things we missed, not just things that had a chance of returning. But if it's the 2nd option

    Oh, okay. Makes sense; sincere apologies, good sir.
  • edited April 2013 Posts: 546
    1.Pierce Brosnan as James Bond
    2.John Barry's music score
    3.Love scenes at the end of the Bond films
    4.James Bond smoking his cigarette's (Last time we saw Bond smoking a cigarette was in the LTK)
    5.James Bond wearing a hat
    6.David Arnold's music score
    7.Q gadgets
    8.Enerst Stavro Blofeld
    9.The SPECTRE days
    10.Richard Maibaum
    11.Ken Adam's cinematography
    12.Opening Gun Barrel Sequence
  • RC7RC7
    Posts: 10,512
    I miss the escapism I enjoyed as a kid. As much as I've enjoyed the last three entries, I think there's a veil of aspiration that's missing from the package, for me. It's completely understandable why this is the case, but I'm hoping a level of extravagance is instilled in 24. They don't have to sacrifice character to do this, it's all in the dressing and attention to detail.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    Why are some people naming things that truly can never come back, like Barry's music and Desmond as Q? It makes more sense to me to name things that actually have the ability to pragmatically return to the series.

    Well I thought it was things we missed, not just things that had a chance of returning. But if it's the 2nd option


    1) A properly paced, well designed gunbarrel at the beginning of the movie. Speaks for itself and I have no idea why they keep ditching it. I don't give a toss if the opening shot is nice either, the GB comes first, end of imo.

    2) The full on Bond theme, somewhere other than the credits for once. I don't want subtle hints or the opening notes, I want Bond to do something cool in an action scene while the theme kicks in (the bankers office in TWINE is a good example of what I'd like).

    3) Bond smoking. Yes it's bad for him but so is drinking tons, having lots of (unless he brings condoms with him on every mission) unprotected sex, etc. If I had Bonds job I'd probably start smoking again (I quit a few years ago) because of the stress.

    4) MI6 being there for the briefing then not being involved for the rest of the movie. Whether it's M tagging along for the whole film or Bond constantly talking to HQ through his stupidly obvious earpiece, I think we've seen way too much of them lately.

    Its rare I cant find fault with someones post on here but you appear to have achieved the impossible thelivingroyale so a hearty well done.

    I would also like to add to your fine list a massive, epic stunt done entirely for real that blows you out of your seat. Much as I like seeing Dan doing so many of his own stunts it seems to me that they are more obsessed with showing us hes actually doing them which therefore means it cant be anything too dangerous. There is a time and a place for the stuntmen to take over and I feel that the crane jump in CR apart we havent really had that in the Craig era.
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    I would also like to add to your fine list a massive, epic stunt done entirely for real that blows you out of your seat.

    I'd love another one of those. Something along the lines of the ski BASE jump in Spy or (to a lesser extent) the mountain climbing in FYEO.

    I don't think they'll ever top the TLD cargo net fight though. Actually thinking about it now I reckon the 80s had the best stunts of the entire series. Cargo net, rock climbing, plane fishing, tanker chase, etc. Tons of great stuntwork.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    I would also like to add to your fine list a massive, epic stunt done entirely for real that blows you out of your seat.

    I'd love another one of those. Something along the lines of the ski BASE jump in Spy or (to a lesser extent) the mountain climbing in FYEO.

    I don't think they'll ever top the TLD cargo net fight though. Actually thinking about it now I reckon the 80s had the best stunts of the entire series. Cargo net, rock climbing, plane fishing, tanker chase, etc. Tons of great stuntwork.
    Yes, the stunts have always been stellar, and it really sets Bond apart in history from all the mindless action movies that have used special effects for action when the dedication is so high for the franchise's stunt team that they pull off these insane feats for real.
  • edited April 2013 Posts: 479
    .Gunbarrel at the Start "Sigh QOS"
    .MI6 staff PISSING OFF after the beginning of the film
    .Very cool stunts
    .Locations "Sigh QOS"
    .Woman that survives
    .And a suit that survives as well "Sigh QOS"
    .An EVIL villain with a "Genius" plot "Sigh QOS"
    .And a cool henchman "Sigh QOS"
  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
    edited April 2013 Posts: 4,512
    Contrubute to Sammm04

    MI6 staff surprised at the end of the film. Last time whas The World Is Not Enough.


    I also agree if M and Moneypenny not get later sceentime in the movie with Bond. This already can have done with Skyfall. M: Where is Bond.
    Eve:
    : Enjoying a fress wind sir And then we see Bond
    on the roof
    .

  • Posts: 15,106
    Sammm04 wrote:
    .Gunbarrel at the Start "Sigh QOS"
    .MI6 staff PISSING OFF after the beginning of the film
    .Very cool stunts
    .Locations "Sigh QOS"
    .Woman that survives
    .And a suit that survives as well "Sigh QOS"
    .An EVIL villain with a "Genius" plot "Sigh QOS"
    .And a cool henchman "Sigh QOS"

    The plot of the villain in QOS was brilliant.
  • The iconic image of Bond goes forever with Sean Connery who gave flesh, blood and life to the skeleton of Bond movies. Comparing any other actor with him is ridiculous and funny. Of course Roger Moore could survive but not upto the mark of Connery. No comments about other actors who just tried to fill in the shoes of Connery. Daniel Craig's negative point is his height that makes him comparable only with action heroes like Jackie Chan. When Daniel Craig wears the tuxedo and runs.... it is funny to watch him as a dwarf bond or just a school boy imitating Connery/Bond in that tuxedo. We truly miss the greatest and the incomparable Connery in the role of BOND OO7. He had defined that role with no place for unnecessary sentiments and emotions that are odd things with a tough Spy the world has ever seen. Sean Connery IS James BOnd while others as Bond are not even upto his knee level!
  • Posts: 479
    Ludovico wrote:
    Sammm04 wrote:
    .Gunbarrel at the Start "Sigh QOS"
    .MI6 staff PISSING OFF after the beginning of the film
    .Very cool stunts
    .Locations "Sigh QOS"
    .Woman that survives
    .And a suit that survives as well "Sigh QOS"
    .An EVIL villain with a "Genius" plot "Sigh QOS"
    .And a cool henchman "Sigh QOS"

    The plot of the villain in QOS was brilliant.

    Please tell me you are joking?
  • edited April 2013 Posts: 15,106
    Sammm04 wrote:
    Ludovico wrote:
    Sammm04 wrote:
    .Gunbarrel at the Start "Sigh QOS"
    .MI6 staff PISSING OFF after the beginning of the film
    .Very cool stunts
    .Locations "Sigh QOS"
    .Woman that survives
    .And a suit that survives as well "Sigh QOS"
    .An EVIL villain with a "Genius" plot "Sigh QOS"
    .And a cool henchman "Sigh QOS"

    The plot of the villain in QOS was brilliant.

    Please tell me you are joking?

    I am serious. Unless you find Chinatown and Once Upon a Time in the West ridiculous, well, QOS's plot is indeed brilliant: taking over a vital resource, essential not only to economic life but also to the very survival of a population, subserving a whole government, thus allowing Quantum to gain massive revenue AND political influence, not only in Bolivia (which would be under Quantum's thumb) but in the whole region... Brilliant, I say? Yes, and diabolically so.

    And QOS has its flaws, but it does get an unfair deal of criticism. The villain's scheme is maybe the best ''large scale'' one we have seen in ages. And, while it is not entirely new, it has rarely been seen in movies in the past, thus it is original enough, especially in a Bondian context.
  • The producers of Skyfall tomtom that it is the highest grossing movie.... But in India the movie Skyfall was an utter flop and ran just for a week or two only. Skyfall is a relative disappointment where unnecessary emotions and expressions are infused in a Bond Movie. If the producers opt for a new Bond actor for their next movie, we will be grateful to God! In the disguise of reinventing Bond don't test the patience of Bond fans with a flood of funny emotions in the life of a Secret Agent living in the hearts of millions and millions in the form of Sean Connery.
  • Ludovico wrote:
    Sammm04 wrote:
    .Gunbarrel at the Start "Sigh QOS"
    .MI6 staff PISSING OFF after the beginning of the film
    .Very cool stunts
    .Locations "Sigh QOS"
    .Woman that survives
    .And a suit that survives as well "Sigh QOS"
    .An EVIL villain with a "Genius" plot "Sigh QOS"
    .And a cool henchman "Sigh QOS"

    The plot of the villain in QOS was brilliant.

    I think QoS is a excellent Bond film, its flawed but damn its non stop Bond for me. I rather have it then half of the Bond films in the canon. Greene was a good villian that lacked a henchman that could have been Bond's equal.

    I just hate when Bond fans want the same old Cliche B.S.

    The Box Office and Reviews have shown that the Audience have moved on.

  • Posts: 29
    senthilvel wrote:
    The producers of Skyfall tomtom that it is the highest grossing movie.... But in India the movie Skyfall was an utter flop and ran just for a week or two only. Skyfall is a relative disappointment where unnecessary emotions and expressions are infused in a Bond Movie. If the producers opt for a new Bond actor for their next movie, we will be grateful to God! In the disguise of reinventing Bond don't test the patience of Bond fans with a flood of funny emotions in the life of a Secret Agent living in the hearts of millions and millions in the form of Sean Connery.

    quit bringing up Daniel's height, that has nothing to do with his acting ability. not many people even care. I have never been more annoyed by a member on here

  • 3.Love scenes at the end of the Bond films

    I'll never understand why some Bond fans are so attached to this. Those ending scenes always struck me as corny - in a somewhat charming way, yes, but very much of their time. They didn't belong in the '80s and '90s films, let alone today's.

    I'm the type of guy who likes a story to remaining interesting and unpredictable up to the very last minute, and this has always been one of the biggest flaws of the Bond films for me. The last twenty minutes, and particularly the last scene, are so rote. I for one am glad that Daniel's films have managed to stay fresh and original right up the credits - much like Fleming's novels, which DID NOT all end the same way, thank-you-very-much.
    4.James Bond smoking his cigarette's (Last time we saw Bond smoking a cigarette was in the LTK)

    Amen!
    5.James Bond wearing a hat

    Disagree. I do love the look, and a part of me wishes it was still the style. But realistically speaking, the only people under 70 who wear hats these days are hipsters. Bond has to exist in the time he's in, and there's no reason for Daniel's Bond, born in 1968, to wear a hat. It would just make him seem like a weirdo.
  • Posts: 15,106
    ohmss42 wrote:
    senthilvel wrote:
    The producers of Skyfall tomtom that it is the highest grossing movie.... But in India the movie Skyfall was an utter flop and ran just for a week or two only. Skyfall is a relative disappointment where unnecessary emotions and expressions are infused in a Bond Movie. If the producers opt for a new Bond actor for their next movie, we will be grateful to God! In the disguise of reinventing Bond don't test the patience of Bond fans with a flood of funny emotions in the life of a Secret Agent living in the hearts of millions and millions in the form of Sean Connery.

    quit bringing up Daniel's height, that has nothing to do with his acting ability. not many people even care. I have never been more annoyed by a member on here

    And it's not like he's a dwarf either.
  • edited April 2013 Posts: 3,494
    X3MSonicX wrote:
    Tho i like Craig, i can say for all of us that we miss the old Bond that doesn't shows his feelings and weaknesses in front of his enemies, that doesn't cries, that likes a good cigar. The Bond that likes to be cold-hearted.

    I would like to speak for myself, thank you very much, and I say stuff all that. I don't like when Bond is a one-dimensional bore. I like when he reacts realistically to his surroundings, feel pain, suffering, anger and more. Sean's films had that, as does OHMSS. It isn't until the 70s where Bond turned from a serious character into Bond "the celebrity" and all the substance was drained from his character, only present for a few fleeting moments where there was a glimmering hope, only to be squashed out with no remorse. Thank Fleming Tim came in during the late 80s to save us all, no matter how brief. And now we have Dan being true to classic Bond with his deep and 3-dimensional performances, the best we have seen yet with a talent, depth and commitment to the character unmatched.

    And I sure don't understand this idea that Bond "likes to be cold-hearted", not at all. I think Bond finds the killing to be a necessary evil, something he must do if only to protect the realm and get the job done. We see across the series how he is affected by his work, the consequences of what he must do, and what it takes away from him because of that. He takes his job seriously and is protective of his close allies and M as his boss, so much so that he wishes to take the life of those that may inflict harm against them. He does this to Dr. No in payment for Quarrel, Grant for Kerim, Bouvar for his colleagues in TB, Sanchez for maiming Felix, Patrice for Ronson, and so on. But this isn't cold-heartedness just to be cold hearted or because he likes it. He knows his job and sees what must be done and demanded of him. And when someone crosses a line and hurts who he cares for, he won't stand down and let it happen: he will act for duty's sake. He knows that those same men he must kill would do the same thing to him if he gave them the opportunity, so he knows to always be on his guard and prepared to take a life if necessary. In his line of work it is those allies that make him successful. His boss steers him on the right path and is watchful over him, Q in association saves his life many a time with his gadgets and he and his colleagues all share the licence to kill under one fraternity of duty and defense. The teams behind him help Bond to survive and succeed in his mission, so when threats comes to one of them he comes out fighting as anyone naturally would if targets were placed on the heads of their loved ones.


    Well said Sir. You just forgot to mention that when X3MSonicX speaks on our behalf I am pretty sure there is a large percentage of us who also dont want to see Bond smoking cigars either. Morlands Specials with the 3 gold bands please.

    Or Lazenby's Philip Morris Commanders ;). They are just like a Marlboro Red only stronger and with an amped up flavor. I'd switched from Reds to Commanders before moving on to cigars and those were the best cigs I ever smoked. Does anyone know what brand Sean smoked in the early adventures?

    For me-

    1. John Barry. Arnold has generally done a really good job of keeping the sound alive but Barry is irreplaceable.

    2. Opening gunbarrel. It's part of what separates a Bond movie opening from all the pretenders.

    3. Bond bedding a girl in the end. Am I the only one who feels this is sorely lacking in the current films?



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    3. Bond bedding a girl in the end. Am I the only one who feels this is sorely lacking in the current films?

    I don't think they should go back to using it in every film but we haven't had it for over 10 years now so it would be nice to end with Bond shagging the girl in Bond 24.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 8,205
    Someone mentioned the Secondary 007 Theme - I'd love if any rights issues surrounding the use of this music to be cleared up. I'd love to hear it again.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    ohmss42 wrote:
    senthilvel wrote:
    The producers of Skyfall tomtom that it is the highest grossing movie.... But in India the movie Skyfall was an utter flop and ran just for a week or two only. Skyfall is a relative disappointment where unnecessary emotions and expressions are infused in a Bond Movie. If the producers opt for a new Bond actor for their next movie, we will be grateful to God! In the disguise of reinventing Bond don't test the patience of Bond fans with a flood of funny emotions in the life of a Secret Agent living in the hearts of millions and millions in the form of Sean Connery.

    quit bringing up Daniel's height, that has nothing to do with his acting ability. not many people even care. I have never been more annoyed by a member on here

    You must be new. ;))
  • senthilvel wrote:
    But in India the movie Skyfall was an utter flop and ran just for a week or two only.
    Nope IMO that's the other way round : it had been planned to have only a one week carreer for some reason but did very, very well within that week. The Indian box office weekly report was this according to InsideKino (for the sake of mentioning it, BOM report a totally different global figure :) )

    - SF released the 2 Nov : Did half of the 600 millions of Roupies of the week's all movies. Top 1 spot with about 300M Rp.
    - next week : no more SF in theaters. Only 80 M Rp for all the movies (= "no one" in movies that week).
    - the week after : 2 mega-releases, almost 1 billion Roupies each...

    So in the end SF did very well in its week of release, it actually did more than Life of Pi's entire career that had a more normal release soon after. Wrt to Hollymood movies, it was a hit. But still a lot under dozens of Indian movies that year, yes.



  • senthilvel wrote:
    But in India the movie Skyfall was an utter flop and ran just for a week or two only.
    Nope IMO that's the other way round : it had been planned to have only a one week carreer for some reason but did very, very well within that week. The Indian box office weekly report was this according to InsideKino (for the sake of mentioning it, BOM report a totally different global figure :) )

    - SF released the 2 Nov : Did half of the 600 millions of Roupies of the week's all movies. Top 1 spot with about 300M Rp.
    - next week : no more SF in theaters. Only 80 M Rp for all the movies (= "no one" in movies that week).
    - the week after : 2 mega-releases, almost 1 billion Roupies each...

    So in the end SF did very well in its week of release, it actually did more than Life of Pi's entire career that had a more normal release soon after. Wrt to Hollymood movies, it was a hit. But still a lot under dozens of Indian movies that year, yes.



    That's the thing I love about the internet age; people can research and find the truth so much more easily than on, say, talk radio years ago where people would always give their opinion (or wishes) as fact.
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    Maybe the commonsense aspect of it all. Craig may be a decent Bond, but it's all getting a bit out of hand now, although it has been that way for a few years now, but seems to have escalated in the last decade. Bond survives incredible falls and experiences, does amazing stunts that Superman would be proud of, appears indestructible, if not immortal, and survives one near death experience after the other, and then bounces back as if none the worse for wear. It's just that I remember when Bond was sensible, Connery portrayed the character so well in the early years. No fancy stuff, just put in a great character performance

    Even when Moore was involved in some outrageous humor during his tenure, at least it was plausible. The Saint Marks Square Venice sequence in Moonraker for example, is unmitigated nonsense, it's merely childish adolescent humor, but at least it's plausible or what Bond would be capable of. Fast forward to the most recent times, and it's all got so out of hand with ridiculous and implausible stunts and questionable situations, but the audience for the most part, won't seem to mind. All they do is sit in theaters with their sodas and popcorn and switch off the mind. Bond falls of a waterfall, survives freezing ice water for a significant time, gets shot of a fast moving train and falls, what seems the distance from the top of the Empire State Building etc. It's all about big action in Bond today and the bigger stunts the better, and most will go along with that, but it's nothing from how I remember Bond was (or should be)

    James Bond does stunts and action sequences, OK. If they're elaborate and done well, it's not really a problem, but there's this certain point you shouldn't go beyond and I believe they've crossed it in one or two recent releases. Ok, the James Bond character can't feasibly die, as there would be no next release, but at least try to refrain from embarrassing yourselves (the film makers) with some quite absurd or ridiculous action pieces if you can help with it. My fear is, they'll instead take it to another level and Bond will only become more invincible or far fetched than it has already become

    Having the Gun barrel at the absolute start, would be appreciated too, or back to how it was before (before 2006), would be a sure mention also
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