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M hands Bond a file, Bond completes the mission. End.
The plot of the villain in QOS was brilliant.[/quote]
Yeah, it was.
Yeah, it was.
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Never fail to amuse me, you do not Brady, Woohoo for new Batman game!!!!!!
You're the one in the clown makeup. :O)
Just because it isn't an OTT plan where the villain wants worldwide domination doesn't make Greene's plot bad. It is very clever and fits well with our real world off the screen and is quite timely.
Hmmmm?, Understand you do not, average, yes, but brilliant and clever it was not, fit with our current world, rather have seen Richard Branson saying "No Mr Bond, I expect you to fly!" (Stolen from a fan poster.), Bond series, stooped with excitement, exciting, his plot was not.... Film critic Yoda AWAY!!!!!!
I feel like there needs to be classes nowadays to teach people that their individual opinions are not fact.
I don't really see many of the villains' plots as "exciting" per se, because it is what Bond and them do to kill each other that is the exciting part. There isn't anything exciting about a bunch of people (some with god complexes) that always get foiled by Bond while trying to fulfill some lunatic scheme, especially when they are endangering innocents along the way, which I see as more motivation to root for Bond to stop them.
Maybe a gunbarrell at the beginning would be nice for the next film.
Say my opinion was right, I did not, think I do, not exciting it is to see JB chase cave full of water, hmmm?, older villains plot's silly, maybe?, predictable, yes, but exciting to stop they were, Bond actually has adventure in old films, in new ones, trance around in one (usually boring) country, chasing after corrupt policemen and silly Dominic Greene types, prefer plot to send Bond on globetrotting adventure, not Jason Bourne style revenge story about water and a boring, barren desert country. Why I hate QOS, that is.
So it was you who made that poster, made me laugh more than any other poster, it was brilliant.
However the fans of DC want desperately that you see the genius of this movie and if you do not you will be told it is your lack of understanding of movies. It is actaully just a desperate attempt to disguise the fact that as an actioner it is really subpar and cannot compete with the previous Bondmovies or even the competition and they did not really have to make any effort. The movie contains a few moments that are really impressive and are just so noticable because most of the movie is just dire. However both Dench and Craig are great in this movie but even they cannot save the disaster it is.
Like it or do not like it that is your own judgement. But let nobody convince you it is a great movie, it could have been with a better director, a finished script and better CGI and stunts. Most importantly explain the role of Mathis better and do not waste such a character created by Fleming on such a flimsy attempt of showing who 007 really is. The part of Mathis should have been the European version of Felix Leiter but sadly EON lacks inspiration these days and most dramatic aspects of the movie are rather hamfisted and over the top and serve little.
*confused*
Anything intelligent to say?
I guess you must find Chinatown and Once Upon a Time in the West really unexciting and dumb. I personally find them brilliant. Because hey, they are. And guess what? The villains have pretty much the same idea as Dominic Greene. Becoming rich and powerful (or richer and powerfuller?) with... water. I kid you not. And it made them greedy enough to kill, corrupt officials, what have you.
Please do not compare Chinatown and QoS. Chinatown is a masterpiece.
Well, of course QOS is not exactly in the same league, but it has the same plot! That's my point. The villain has the same scheme. So you can criticize QOS all you want, I like it and I can recognize it has its share of flaws, but saying the villain's scheme is bad, if you think Chinatown is a masterpiece, is dishonest.
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Yes, but it is a carbon copy of Chinatown's plot, which makes it boring and also it does not fit a Bond film. So we have a right to dislike the plot in the context we are talking in.
@RC7-The bomb in TB and the Lektor in FRWL are McGuffen. Nobody complained. I am not saying QOS is as good. I say the villain's scheme is darn intelligent, large-scale enough for a Bond movie and yes plausible.
I'm not complaining about McGuffins, I'm just suggesting your comparison with Chinatown doesn't really stand up. The man on the street could go and copy the plot of Jaws, it doesn't mean it would be any good, especially if it's copied in part and placed among other various story strands. The idea of manipulating resources is not necessarily clever in itself, just a reflection of corporate capitalism. It's an interesting idea at it's heart but the way it's dealt with seems to remove all the potential. As I've said on numerous occasions I feel QoS suffers because it doesn't really know what kind of a film it's supposed to be, nor does it really know what story it's trying to tell. It weaves several narrative strands but never quite establishes itself as a direct sequel, or a standalone adventure, effectively falling between two stools.
Oh you can complain about the execution of QOS and as I said the movie does has its flaws, among them a lack of focus. My main point was that some people here, not you, are dismissive about the scheme in itself, saying it is dumb or uninteresting because it is water and not gold, or diamonds, or petrol. They have a problem because it is water. This is what I object against. Because that very specific part of QoS is brilliant. If it was brilliant in One Upon a Time in the West (where it is also a MacGuffin), in Chinatown, in Jean de Florette, it might not be such a foolish scheme in QOS.
That said, as RC7 mentions there are several story lines also weaving their way through the course of the movie that tend to distract you. The focus of the film is multi-faceted like that. Past understanding what Greene was trying to accomplish, and how many gazillions in money QUANTUM could make if they monopolized water in a much larger country, it may come down to exactly WHAT one is looking for in the movie. Perhaps the reason I enjoy it better than at least 6 other films in the series is because I wanted to see the immediate stories coming out of CR addressed, being Vesper's death and how Bond deals with it, and who this new worldwide criminal organization is. I got just enough of that and enough loose ends to make me think when QUANTUM will resurface, what their ultimate goal is, and hopefully a person in charge. Let's hope this opportunity is much more thought out than what we got with QOS.
Precisely. And when you control resources (especially things we desperately need like water) you control the people living under your rule. In many ways Greene's/Quantum's plot is one of the most clever and brilliant in conception that we have seen in any Bond film.
Some evil plans before might've been ridiculous but there was a sense of urgency involved. You did get the sense that everything would go to sh*t if Bond didn't save the day.
In QOS it was a bit underwhelming. It didn't feel particularly important. It wasn't "we have to stop Greene before it's too late! He's stealing the water!"
Instead it was "well I'm looking into the whole Quantum thing because of Vesper and you want to kill Medrano so yeah, why not. We may as well stop his evil plan while we're at it".
I think QOS should've focused on one thing or the other. It was a short movie and lots of the runtime was filled with action sequences anyway, it didn't really have time to have so many plot threads.
You had Bond and M's trust issues, Camille's revenge, Bond getting over Vesper, Felix's loyalty to the CIA being tested and Quantum taking over Bolivia's water. And when half of the movie is filled with badly edited chase sequences anyway you just don't have the time for all of this.
I think because of this most of the story threads feel a bit, lets say undercooked, because nothing is really focused on.
Well actually, the mission from jump was about stopping/getting to the bottom of Quantum after White escapes and MI6 examined the cash Mitchell had that led them on the trail of Slate and then Greene. Vesper is never once a focus of Bond's while doing the mission and not once affects what he does in that mission until it is all over and he meets Yusef at the end. Everything that happens in between the beginning and end is Bond uncovering more of what he already thinks is suspicious activity by Greene and the more he knows about Greene's plot the more he gets involved and finds it is his mission to stop it. It isn't just because he was in that part of town, and never is with Bond; it was his mission and he was dedicated to it along with Camille and her vendetta.