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  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    007HallY wrote: »
    SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    I think making it (at least in part) a musical could have worked. It's certainly not uncommon to include musical numbers in otherwise dark films/tv shows (I'm thinking of something like 'The Name Game' in the second season of American Horror Story, which I think was the kind of tone they wanted with Joker 2).

    I dunno, I think a lot of the ideas were there for an interesting sequel that could have easily have been better than the first (I'd argue the first one isn't a particularly interesting film in general really).

    Exactly. The first one isn't exactly spectacular. It's quite a depressing film to be honest.

    The first one just made me want to rewatch The King of Comedy. Not to say the fact that Joker bears a lot of similarities to that or Taxi Driver is a bad thing. It's just that I feel something like KOC is much more twisted and darkly comedic, which I'd say is what I'd expect from a movie about the Joker.

    Yes. That's a better film to use as an example. It's more balanced and delivers what it aims for.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    edited October 15 Posts: 24,954
    The Penguin episodes 3 and 4 are very good, the show went in the direction i hoped they would. the recasting of a certain character worked very well as there is a lot more menace.

    Cristin Milioti will be a superstar, brilliant actress.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    Posts: 4,552
    Fire_and_Ice_Returns wrote: »
    The Penguin episodes 3 and 4 are very good, the show went in the direction i hoped they would. the recasting of a certain character worked very well as there is a lot more menace.

    Cristin Milioti will be a superstar, brilliant actress.

    I find it funny (no pun intended) that The Penguin is getting raves, but Joker 2 is getting slammed. Two Batman villain spin-offs on the opposite end of the spectrum. It be interesting to see if WB and DC will move forward with other villains.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    edited October 15 Posts: 24,954
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    Fire_and_Ice_Returns wrote: »
    The Penguin episodes 3 and 4 are very good, the show went in the direction i hoped they would. the recasting of a certain character worked very well as there is a lot more menace.

    Cristin Milioti will be a superstar, brilliant actress.

    I find it funny (no pun intended) that The Penguin is getting raves, but Joker 2 is getting slammed. Two Batman villain spin-offs on the opposite end of the spectrum. It be interesting to see if WB and DC will move forward with other villains.

    The Penguin is just written well with great acting and characterization, I have not rushed to see Joker 2 I will wait until streaming which seems immanent.

    From what I have read Joker 2 was a disaster waiting to happen, it will be lucky to get close to The Flash box office numbers which is really bad.

    If WB hire the right people another villain spinoff will work, I am hoping that The Penguin gets another season as they have a hit show here.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    Posts: 8,158
    SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ wrote: »
    If Todd Philips had done it like a normal film, instead of a musical, it wouldn't have been this bad. But then again, it's a sequel no one really wanted.
    Musicals don't work all the time. But it can be an entertaining and successful genre, if done right.

    That’s the thing, it wasn’t done right. I think the first or two musical sequences worked to an extent, but afterwards each new set piece felt disconnected from the story and felt like filler. It’s like a movie where we keep getting dream sequences over and over with no point to them. Then there’s the ending of the film which sounds like it wasn’t meant to do anything other than upset fans of the first.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    Posts: 4,552
    I just picked up Batman: Resurrection by John Jackson Miller. It's set between the two Tim Burton movies. He signed my book today! Clayface is reinvented brilliantly, fitting into Tim Burton's Gotham City. The reviews are great. I should be reading it soon. There is a sequel on the way: Batman: Revolution, planned for fall 2025. Some questions will be answered from Batman 89. It's a decent time to be a Batman fan!
  • 007HallY007HallY
    Posts: 3,984
    Fire_and_Ice_Returns wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    Fire_and_Ice_Returns wrote: »
    The Penguin episodes 3 and 4 are very good, the show went in the direction i hoped they would. the recasting of a certain character worked very well as there is a lot more menace.

    Cristin Milioti will be a superstar, brilliant actress.

    I find it funny (no pun intended) that The Penguin is getting raves, but Joker 2 is getting slammed. Two Batman villain spin-offs on the opposite end of the spectrum. It be interesting to see if WB and DC will move forward with other villains.

    The Penguin is just written well with great acting and characterization, I have not rushed to see Joker 2 I will wait until streaming which seems immanent.

    From what I have read Joker 2 was a disaster waiting to happen, it will be lucky to get close to The Flash box office numbers which is really bad.

    If WB hire the right people another villain spinoff will work, I am hoping that The Penguin gets another season as they have a hit show here.

    I was sceptical about Penguin but I must admit I’ve heard very good things about it. I know Matt Reeves has a background in writing/producing for television so it seems like it’s been well thought out by everyone involved and not just a cash grab after The Batman. I’ll have to give it a watch.
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