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It has an operatic feel to it, and the best villains and girls. I do like Palance and Carrey, though. And the sets in BATMAN are as good as in BR.
1. Batman
2. Batman Returns
3. Batman & Robin
4. Batman Forever
Batman & Robin is technically “worse” than Forever, but it made me laugh more so I enjoyed it more. I love both of Burton’s films a lot.
Not my idea of a Batman film. Great score from Danny Elfman though.
Not sure I understand the "shot on a soundstage" complaint--that could be equally applied to the previous film, and both are meant to take place in claustrophobic and highly stylized urban environments.
I also disagree that BR "owes little to the Batman character." It's not like anyone could mistake this for a Spider-Man film! Burton's Batman is that of 1939, before Robin came along to make everything kid-friendly. His Penguin might have a totally different backstory from the comics version, but the character still has his umbrella gimmick. And Catwoman is better than any comics version. The film might have a messy plot, but it does a wonderful job of presenting Batman as a gothic creature of the night fighting incredibly grotesque villains.
It's as close to an actual opera as comic book cinema has ever been. I love it dearly.
I wrote about it a few months back after seeing it in 35mm on the big screen. One of the big things that stuck out even more for me this time (it had been many years since I'd seen it) was the extreme darkness of it all. It's obviously quite campy in parts, but for all the real-world grittiness of the Nolan flicks, even they didn't feature a villain whose plot was the massacre of an entire city's children by drowning.
That is grim.
It's silly and fake looking. Batman is a dark no nonsense vigilante. Here he's just something to hang Burton's obsessions on.
Thankfully Nolan wiped the slate clean and gave us a real Batman.
There's no such thing as "a real Batman." The campy Batman of the 1950s and 1960s was no less "real" than the grim, Marvel-influenced Batman of later eras.
And no, BR isn't more of a Burton film than a Batman film. Every Batman product is influenced by the tastes and personality of the person making it. That's what gives each Batman product its individuality. Using that to attack BR as a Burton film is no better than attacking Nolan's Batman films for just being something to hang Nolan's style and obsessions on (civic lessons, over-elaborate plotting, drab cinematography, "realism" that excludes comic book fantasy, etc.)
As for "silly"--sillier than what? Batman and Robin? Batman '66? It's not against the law for a Batman film to have a sense of humor and absurdity, given the fact that it's about a man who dresses up as a harmless flying mammal. Burton's Batman himself has always been dark (that's why parents complained about BR in 1992) and no-nonsense (to the point of being lethal).
"Fake looking"--in other words, it's look is intentionally stylized. In that sense, it's much closer to the original Batman comics of the 30s and 40s, which were drawn in a cartoony but expressionist style closer to Dick Tracy than Flash Gordon. One could therefore facetiously argue that Nolan's realism is not in the spirit of classic Batman, but in actuality Batman can accommodate many styles.
I concur!
My youngest brother had them, I was a bit older so did not get those toys, though I still collect the odd Batman figurine.
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Nolan is a great director but the only way I'd want him anywhere near Bond is if he had someone else writing.
Even Purvis and Wade?!
not what I really wanted (I wanted Conroy Hamill etc) but I will still pick it up
Lol neither of them are Richard Maibum but I don't think they deserve the hate they get.
DC are sticking with the New52 characters for two long in the animated films IMO.
Jesus. Just my opinion. Personal to me i prefer the Batman as Frank Miller wrote him.
And the film is 'silly' in places. I didn't think i was comparing it to other stuff.
I detest the Schumacher films and BR is definitely better than those.
And obviously each director brings their own vision to a film which is fine as long as it suits the material.
There were silly moments in Burton s Batman too : Jokers longbarrel revolver , Penguins yellow duck vehicle , Pengys Batmobile miniature , penguins with rockets etc
(both Jokers museum escapade and Penguin running for mayor were borrowed from the old show)
If you read the whole thread, i was talking about 'Burton's Batman', specifically Batman Returns.
I think Joker's 'longbarrel revolver was such a 'Jokerish' thing it just about works, but the Penguin's minature Batmobile was just embarassingly stupid.
It was a "Penguinish" thing in the context of the film's characterization of the Penguin.
None of that would have mattered much to me if the film's action scenes had been a lot better. Unfortunately, Burton just didn't seem to care anymore. The '89 film had a couple of really impressive action scenes, but BR fails completely in that department with the exception of perhaps the rooftop fight with Catwoman. Slow, unimaginative, often ridiculous, never showing Batman as "cool", the action in BR cannot hold a candle to the action scenes in BATMAN, BATMAN FOREVER or even MASK OF THE PHANTASM.
Burton was committed all right; just not to make a Batman film but to make a Tim Burton film.
That's very close to my own opinion of the film, I plan a rewatch of the four 89 and 90:s movies soon.
This show lost me at the 00.13 mark
Couldn't have said it better @DarthDimi.
If you watch the behind the scenes of BR, that's exactly how they persuaded him to return. "What if this movie is just a Tim Burton movie, that has Batman in it?" I'm paraphrasing. I actually like the Batman 66 movie better than all of the Batman 90s movies, minus MOTP.