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  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    I am not going to mention the 'w' word, but how bad would a film be, for the studio to be willing to write of it's $70M-$100M cost?

    Other studios release bad films.

    Warner Bros.:

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  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    Again I think it has more to do with the big merger that was going on, than it does with the quality of the film.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    NickTwentyTwo wrote: »
    Again I think it has more to do with the big merger that was going on, than it does with the quality of the film.

    Yes, it looks that way. It seems WB wants to continue to work with the filmmakers too, so they must have confidence in them. Again, these directors aren't exactly known for delivering woke material.
  • slide_99slide_99 USA
    edited August 2022 Posts: 693
    "from the screenwriter of Birds of Prey"
    lol
    I'm fully willing to believe that this movie was so bad that even WB wouldn't release it. Maybe it wasn't the main reason, but it probably did factor into their decision to cut their losses and shelve it.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    slide_99 wrote: »
    "from the screenwriter of Birds of Prey"
    lol

    Ok, that one was indeed dreadful, as bad as WW84.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    Was Sanchez trying to make a DC film on the side? ;)
  • 007HallY007HallY
    edited August 2022 Posts: 4,162
    MajorDSmythe wrote: »
    I am not going to mention the 'w' word, but how bad would a film be, for the studio to be willing to write of it's $70M-$100M cost?

    Other studios release bad films.

    Warner Bros.:

    giphy.gif

    Can't say for sure, but I doubt it was fully to do with being 'woke', if at all. I don't think it was necessarily even to do with the quality per say (although it seems like it was a rubbish film going from rumoured test screen reactions).

    I mean, we live in a world where films like Morbius, Suicide Squad and countless other bad and much more expensive superhero films have been released. To be honest, if quality comes into this at all, I suspect it'd have to have been simply dull or unengaging. Not enough bizarre creative decisions that are unintentionally funny nor the potential for people to see it to hate watch.

    It is pretty unprofessional regardless though. I know people in Glasgow where it was filmed too. To make such movies in exterior locations streets are shut down, affecting small businesses within the area. Such businesses have certainly lost money as a result of this film, regardless of the minimal compensation payments they received.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    edited August 2022 Posts: 24,183
    MajorDSmythe wrote: »
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    Was Sanchez trying to make a DC film on the side? ;)

    That line never applied better to anything. :-D
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    With this merger my advice is hang onto your physical media.
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
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    I’ve been preaching that for years in a general sense. Physical is YOURS; no dependence on corporations, internet, or whatever else to watch what you want. Especially with censorship always on the prowl. I love having physical media, literally the only downside at all to me is whenever I have to move, but it’s well worth the security as I take good care of my stuff.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Absolutely. No episodes silently removed from the list, no scenes deleted, no tweaking, ... Remember when bootlegging was a thing? It's coming back I think. There will always be "that place" where you can find the "version you are not supposed to see". ;-)
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
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    For real. At least it adds the excitement / adrenaline I suppose! I figure Batman Returns will eventually get canceled for its sex appeal. Maybe they’ll cgi Catwoman’s costume to make her body shape gender-neutral x)
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    If a corporation see's fit they can make any TV or Films unavailable and there is a lot of content that just doesn't exist on physical format or will likely go out of print.

    I have boxes of DVD's in storage that I was considering getting rid of though the way things may go there value is likely to increase over time so I am hanging onto them now.

    I have been trying to buy more physical media recently, I went through a phase of buying Batman Animated films on Digital and regret not waiting and buying the Bluray instead.
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
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    For those who don’t know, this is a much worse problem in the gaming department right now. OOP movies rarely cost anything close to OOP games, and still tend to be more readily available. Nintendo has never once returned their vast GameCube library, and their entire new system disallows you to actually own any classic games, instead requiring a subscription where you’d lose everything upon not keeping the subscription.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    MajorDSmythe wrote: »
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    Was Sanchez trying to make a DC film on the side? ;)

    I love this.
  • slide_99slide_99 USA
    Posts: 693
    There might be a deeper issue here: the superhero bubble may be about to burst, and they can't keep making rubbish that masses of people will uncritically watch.
    Interest In Superhero Movies Drops, Poll Finds—Worrisome Trend For Disney Amid Marvel Slump
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/dereksaul/2022/08/04/interest-in-superhero-movies-drops-poll-finds-worrisome-trend-for-disney-amid-marvel-slump/?sh=b138316483f6
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
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    I can only hope. The fad outwore its welcome years ago for me.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    I am a life long fan of comic book movies, I am not a fan of bad writing and one of the main reasons my interest in recent films has waned is because its obvious they are cutting corners and producing substandard material *cough cough* Disney Marvel.

    The Batman was not perfect though at least those involved made an effort.
  • 007ClassicBondFan007ClassicBondFan
    edited August 2022 Posts: 2,270
    Marvel’s over saturated the market so much, not allowing different visions and interpretations to shine through as often as they should. Say one thing about comic book films pre Iron Man, but at least they all had variety, and didn’t stick to some “in house formula” that’s gotten old and tiring after only 10 years.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    edited August 2022 Posts: 25,133
    007ClassicBondFan wrote: »
    Marvel’s over saturated the market so much, not allowing for at least different visions and interpretations to shine through as often as they should. Say one thing about comic book films pre Iron Man, but at least they all had variety, and didn’t stick to some “in house formula” that’s gotten old and tiring after only 10 years.

    True Fox's Xmen movies were hit and miss though you would get a gem of a film now and again different to what else was out there at the time. Disney Marvel is cut and paste most of the time, a never ending narrative where films are just a set up for the next film etc etc.
  • 007ClassicBondFan007ClassicBondFan
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    Fire_and_Ice_Returns wrote: »
    007ClassicBondFan wrote: »
    Marvel’s over saturated the market so much, not allowing for at least different visions and interpretations to shine through as often as they should. Say one thing about comic book films pre Iron Man, but at least they all had variety, and didn’t stick to some “in house formula” that’s gotten old and tiring after only 10 years.

    True Fox's Xmen movies were hit and miss though you would get a gem of a film now and again different to what else was out there at the time. Disney Marvel is cut and paste most of the time, a never ending narrative where films are just a set up for the next film etc etc.

    Agreed about the X-Men franchise, though I do love the trio of X-Men, X2, and Days of Future’s Past. It’s sad what the MCU became really, I jumped off the train fairly early on because I noticed each film began to feel similar to each other in terms of tone and style. I know that’s gibberish coming from a James Bond fan, but the difference between Bond and the MCU is that you can at least justify having the same tone and style for Bond because it’s just one character. With the MCU, they have an entire catalog of different heroes and stories, even talented directors at the helm, yet somehow all films still lack any distinction beyond surface level details.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    007ClassicBondFan wrote: »
    Fire_and_Ice_Returns wrote: »
    007ClassicBondFan wrote: »
    Marvel’s over saturated the market so much, not allowing for at least different visions and interpretations to shine through as often as they should. Say one thing about comic book films pre Iron Man, but at least they all had variety, and didn’t stick to some “in house formula” that’s gotten old and tiring after only 10 years.

    True Fox's Xmen movies were hit and miss though you would get a gem of a film now and again different to what else was out there at the time. Disney Marvel is cut and paste most of the time, a never ending narrative where films are just a set up for the next film etc etc.

    Agreed about the X-Men franchise, though I do love the trio of X-Men, X2, and Days of Future’s Past. It’s sad what the MCU became really, I jumped off the train fairly early on because I noticed each film began to feel similar to each other in terms of tone and style. I know that’s gibberish coming from a James Bond fan, but the difference between Bond and the MCU is that you can at least justify having the same tone and style for Bond because it’s just one character. With the MCU, they have an entire catalog of different heroes and stories, even talented directors at the helm, yet somehow all films still lack any distinction beyond surface level details.

    Plus Bond films are stand alone films for the most part so there is closer to a story, I am mixed on the DC era experiment.

    Most MCU characters literally all have the same personality and crack the same jokes which has gotton worse.

    I am a fan of Batman and DC animated films, they just adapt good stories, films really don't need to be linked to each other all the time. Saying that the New 52 films worked well to a point.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    Fire_and_Ice_Returns wrote: »
    I am a life long fan of comic book movies, I am not a fan of bad writing and one of the main reasons my interest in recent films has waned is because its obvious they are cutting corners and producing substandard material *cough cough* Disney Marvel.

    The Batman was not perfect though at least those involved made an effort.

    Agree 100%. Plus it seems that the Marvel leads are just playing themselves as actors. Cracking jokes that a three year old could come up with doesn’t help either.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Story is key here, I think. I find DC taking more risks developing interesting and unique stories. Their boldness is such that they even released a 3-hour Batman film with hardly any action in it. @Fire_and_Ice_Returns also correctly refers to DC's animated output. Few of those films excel in terms of animation but they sure manage to tell gripping and sometimes very dark stories at times. Some of DC's animated films rank almost as high in my book as the best live action DC flicks. Even Birds Of Prey and The Suicide Squad, while nothing close to perfection, are films that I can at least applaud for trying to go nuts and wild. The only two I haven't really enjoyed in this century are the suspiciously uninteresting Suicide Squad and the almost kiddified Wonder Woman 1984. Other than that, I am still very much on board with DC.

    Marvel, with the exception of several X-Men films, all work from a safe, consumer-ready template. You can take your children to almost any of the 'MCU' films and they will have a good time (not sure about Dr Strange In The Multiverse though). My food analogy is that DC will cook you all sorts of meals, while Marvel merely offers that same club sandwich, which may be good and nutritious, but rarely thrills anymore.

    I have a soft spot for the X-Men films, however. X2, First Class, Days Of Future Past and Logan are insanely good films in my opinion. And then there's Deadpool. ;-)

    Superhero fatigue is nothing new. Long before Iron Man it was already hinted at. But there's superhero and then there's superhero. Perhaps it's mainly the 'MCU' that people are losing interest in. (It's also tough for new potential fans to find their way in; think of all the homework viewing that has to be done!) The darker DC films, which better reflect modern society and its struggles, may not yet have run their course.

    Also, where's the third party? Kick-Ass and the likes? Image comics, AWA comics and others have interesting material to offer as well. I'm still a fan of Millar's work, for example, but you can't give us the PG version of his stuff (that Jupiter series? Love the book, not interested in the TV series).

    Perhaps we should abandon the dogma that superhero stuff has to be about toys and merchandizing, and therefore also about staying kid friendly all the way through. Give us something like The Boys. Fewer tickets may be sold, but not necessarily. Who would have guessed that Joker would haul in over a billion dollars?
  • Some_Kind_Of_HeroSome_Kind_Of_Hero
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    slide_99 wrote: »
    There might be a deeper issue here: the superhero bubble may be about to burst, and they can't keep making rubbish that masses of people will uncritically watch.
    Interest In Superhero Movies Drops, Poll Finds—Worrisome Trend For Disney Amid Marvel Slump
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/dereksaul/2022/08/04/interest-in-superhero-movies-drops-poll-finds-worrisome-trend-for-disney-amid-marvel-slump/?sh=b138316483f6

    No trend lasts forever, but the quality of Marvel's Phase 4 output and DC seemingly perpetually stuck in second gear sure isn't helping sustain public interest.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 40,976
    Zazie Beetz in talks to return for Joker: Folie à Deux:

    https://deadline.com/2022/08/joker-folie-a-deux-zazie-beetz-1235087562/
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    edited August 2022 Posts: 4,636
    Some good and bad news for Batman.

    https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/batman-2-mattson-tomlin-co-152642675.html

    https://www.ign.com/articles/batman-caped-crusader-cut-by-hbo-max



    Still wish it was coming to PS4.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 40,976
    Warner Bros. will be holding a special screening of Batgirl this week for the cast and crew:

    https://deadline.com/2022/08/warner-bros-batgirl-2-1235099720/
  • 007ClassicBondFan007ClassicBondFan
    Posts: 2,270
    I find myself wondering if Batgirl will ever see the light of day, much like the Snyder Cut. The filmmakers and crew deserve that at least.
  • Risico007Risico007
    edited August 2022 Posts: 9,847
    MajorDSmythe wrote: »
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    Was Sanchez trying to make a DC film on the side? ;)

    You have won the internet


    When talking about Gotham knights I predict much like the last 3 Batman games (Arkham city, Arkham Origins, and Arkham knight)

    Joker is the main villain he is controlling the court of owls and the final boss battles is a jokerized Batman


    I hope to god I am wrong but everything about this screams they are lying Batman is alive and Joker is the main villain


    If I am wrong I will be so happy if I am right I will have been fooled for the fourth flipping time in a row
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