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Yes, I did think that the whole "double" thingy was a bit off, but they kind of swatted away any criticism by saying the cloning of Picard hadn't worked properly(!) I do love it when scriptwriters try to cover up an inconsistency by some little yweaking of thge script in none-too-convincing fashion, rather like Hugo Drax's "One of my Moonrakers developed a fault during assembly" in fact.
I don't follow.
JJ warped the Enterprise itself (pun intended), twisted and/or simplified the characters, and forsook science fiction and/or morality plays for straight up action.
Yes, that's much clearer, I'd say, though I kind of knew what you were getting at anyhow.
Yes, very true. I wondered if that's what you meant.
My ranking is this:
1- The Voyage Home: I found it was the most authentic and original. I tend to compare ST with Star Wars (and I know I shouldn't), but this one was more about what I see is the essence of the forme: space adventures that play around with science and philosophical concepts such as time-travel. The scenes in San Francisco were very amusing and I really had a good time watching it. I guess it is like a Roger Moore Bond film, but I also enjoy them!
2- Star Trek (2009): it really has a cinematic quality (something I don't seen in the older ones). What I liked the most was the portrayals of Kirk, Bones and Chekov. I didn't liked Mr Zulu that much nor Spock. And I felt - please correct me if I'm wrong - that the romance between Spock and Uhura was a little out of place. Nimoy's cameo was brillaint by the way.
3- First Contact: it has a great story a pace. Captain Picard is magnificent but I don't like Data that much (it seems like a cheap version of Spock). But the best thing about this movie is the idea of the "first contact" of Earth, the development of warp technology and how it united societies around the world.
4- The Wrath of Khan: by far is the more known and recognized. I like to finally see those legendary lines like "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" and the everlasting "KHAAAAN". It is a little slow-paced for my taste but very memorable.
5- The Search for Spock: not that good as Wrath of Khan but it has some good moments.
6- Star Trek Into Darkness: I didn't like the re-use of ideas from Wrath of Khan. I prefer if it hasn't push that far into parallelisms as inverting the roles of Kirk and Spock. It has a little too much action and shooting for my taste.
So, I have another 6 movies to watch but I understand they are not the better ones, except The Undiscovered Country for which I have great interest on watching. It was interesting to explore new movies and going into films I haven't gone before...
I thought that the last two movies were alright. The stories weren't that strong but the cast did a good job of portraying the characters from TOS, but it was just a lot of action and meant for a general audience rather than the die-hard fans. A good 50 minute episode of DS9 or most of the other series was a lot more compelling, IMO.
Season 6 of DS9 was Trek (and TV) at its very best.
I thought I was maybe losing my mind in recent weeks, and then I see that someone has placed The Voyage Home as a favorite or best (Star Trek) movie, and all seems right with the world..
It's not that Nimoy did a poor job as director (he put together a fine job for The Search for Spock) but the screenwriters eventually gave birth to a bastard of a picture, and instead of some decent battles with Klingons, Romulans, or other galactic adversaries, we were left presented with some nonsensical idea about preserving a couple of whales and all lead characters playing the fool in (then) present day California. Damn mess of a movie, that I bother to watch, say around once every two or three years at best. Thankfully we got back on track with the much improved The Final Frontier in '89, after that chicken litter entry
Incidentally, watched The Wrath of Khan within the last week, and maybe after so many viewings, it's becoming a bit stale now. Montalban is the best thing about that one release, and spews venom at the camera with a superlative performance, but sometimes after most recent viewings, it's maybe losing it's appeal a little
have The Undiscovered Country lined up also sometime soon, as a next watch, as it's been a while since a last viewing
#1 STVI: The Undiscovered Country/STIV: The Voyage Home/ST: The Motion Picture (tie)
#2 STII: The Wrath Of Khan/STIII: The Search For Spock (tie)
#3 STV: The Final Frontier
@Baltimore, as I said before, don't take my opinions too seriously as I am only a layman in this franchise.
I always felt that 2,3,4,6 were all excellent.
Of the odd numbered films 3, the Search for Spock is the best. Probably because it is part of a trilogy that consisted of 2,3,4. These three films are most definitely a trilogy and each one picks up where the previous film left off.
I always felt that of the next generation films 8, First Contact is the best. 9 Insurrection should never have been made. And 10 Nemesis is forgettable too.
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It's a lot better than Nemesis.
We reach. :)>-
VI: The Undiscovered Country
VIII: First Contact
IV: The Voyage Home
II: The Wrath of Khan
VII: Generations
III: The Search of Spock
IX: Insurrection
I: TMP
V: The Final Frontier
XI: Star Trek (2009)
XII: Into Darkness
X: Nemesis
Generations is full of plot-holes (Confused Matthew did a good review) but I still really enjoyed that movie. Kirk's death was well-done, IMO and I liked how he died with Picard and the torch was passed.
I'd take the Dominion takeover story-arch in season six of DS9 over any of the films.
You're Welcome @chrisisall, Very soon I plan on doing a Star Trek Retrospective.
To be honest, I really don't hate Final Frontier. I mean It's far from my favorite but It has it's enjoyable moments. The only Trek movies I dislike are Generations and Nemesis.
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Sybok as Spocks half-brother was perhaps the best character as the usual cast seemed to just go through the motions and content to pick up another paycheck without portraying any real interest. Nonetheless it's a decent film that moves along with some moments of genuine tension, but didn't approve of the enterprise crew getting all pally with Klingon characters at the very end. Not as absurd as the previous one from '86, and at least an improvement from what came before. "The search for God" story was a neat idea, but ultimately fell away towards the end
Balt, why do you hate whales?