Star Trek (1966 - present)

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  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    edited December 2013 Posts: 18,281
    chrisisall wrote:
    Fairly *meh*. Kind of recycled from Wrath Of Khan, and casting an actor that actually LOOKED like a young Patrick Stewart would have helped tremendously.

    Yes, I did think that the whole "double" thingy was a bit off, but they kind of swatted away any criticism by saying the cloning of Picard hadn't worked properly(!) I do love it when scriptwriters try to cover up an inconsistency by some little yweaking of thge script in none-too-convincing fashion, rather like Hugo Drax's "One of my Moonrakers developed a fault during assembly" in fact.
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    chrisisall wrote:
    Bounine wrote:
    The two last Star Trek films are merely action films with little else
    And they're good action films, just, why not do STAR TREK in a Star Trek movie?
    :-??

    I don't follow.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    edited December 2013 Posts: 17,801
    Bounine wrote:
    chrisisall wrote:
    Bounine wrote:
    The two last Star Trek films are merely action films with little else
    And they're good action films, just, why not do STAR TREK in a Star Trek movie?
    :-??

    I don't follow.
    Anyone can just do an action film set in the future or in space. Star Trek has been about the characters and science fiction and morality plays with a little action on the side.
    JJ warped the Enterprise itself (pun intended), twisted and/or simplified the characters, and forsook science fiction and/or morality plays for straight up action.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    chrisisall wrote:
    Bounine wrote:
    chrisisall wrote:
    Bounine wrote:
    The two last Star Trek films are merely action films with little else
    And they're good action films, just, why not do STAR TREK in a Star Trek movie?
    :-??

    I don't follow.
    Anyone can just do an action film set in the future or in space. Star Trek has been about the characters and science fiction and morality plays with a little action on the side.
    JJ warped the Enterprise itself (pun intended), twisted and/or simplified the characters, and forsook science fiction and/or morality plays for straight up action.

    Yes, that's much clearer, I'd say, though I kind of knew what you were getting at anyhow.
  • Posts: 2,599
    chrisisall wrote:
    Bounine wrote:
    chrisisall wrote:
    Bounine wrote:
    The two last Star Trek films are merely action films with little else
    And they're good action films, just, why not do STAR TREK in a Star Trek movie?
    :-??

    I don't follow.
    Anyone can just do an action film set in the future or in space. Star Trek has been about the characters and science fiction and morality plays with a little action on the side.
    JJ warped the Enterprise itself (pun intended), twisted and/or simplified the characters, and forsook science fiction and/or morality plays for straight up action.

    Yes, very true. I wondered if that's what you meant.
  • Posts: 1,817
    I just finnished my redux-marathon of Star Trek consisting on 6 films. I want to clarify I'm only a novice having never seeing none of the TV series and, until a couple days, none of the movies, so please indulge my limited knowledge.
    My ranking is this:
    1- The Voyage Home: I found it was the most authentic and original. I tend to compare ST with Star Wars (and I know I shouldn't), but this one was more about what I see is the essence of the forme: space adventures that play around with science and philosophical concepts such as time-travel. The scenes in San Francisco were very amusing and I really had a good time watching it. I guess it is like a Roger Moore Bond film, but I also enjoy them!
    2- Star Trek (2009): it really has a cinematic quality (something I don't seen in the older ones). What I liked the most was the portrayals of Kirk, Bones and Chekov. I didn't liked Mr Zulu that much nor Spock. And I felt - please correct me if I'm wrong - that the romance between Spock and Uhura was a little out of place. Nimoy's cameo was brillaint by the way.
    3- First Contact: it has a great story a pace. Captain Picard is magnificent but I don't like Data that much (it seems like a cheap version of Spock). But the best thing about this movie is the idea of the "first contact" of Earth, the development of warp technology and how it united societies around the world.
    4- The Wrath of Khan: by far is the more known and recognized. I like to finally see those legendary lines like "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" and the everlasting "KHAAAAN". It is a little slow-paced for my taste but very memorable.
    5- The Search for Spock: not that good as Wrath of Khan but it has some good moments.
    6- Star Trek Into Darkness: I didn't like the re-use of ideas from Wrath of Khan. I prefer if it hasn't push that far into parallelisms as inverting the roles of Kirk and Spock. It has a little too much action and shooting for my taste.

    So, I have another 6 movies to watch but I understand they are not the better ones, except The Undiscovered Country for which I have great interest on watching. It was interesting to explore new movies and going into films I haven't gone before...
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    Watching them randomly, are you?
  • edited February 2014 Posts: 381
    Big Trek fan--loved TOS, TNG, DS9 and Voyager. Enterprise was sort of hit-or-miss for me.

    I thought that the last two movies were alright. The stories weren't that strong but the cast did a good job of portraying the characters from TOS, but it was just a lot of action and meant for a general audience rather than the die-hard fans. A good 50 minute episode of DS9 or most of the other series was a lot more compelling, IMO.

    Season 6 of DS9 was Trek (and TV) at its very best.
  • 0013 wrote:
    I just finnished my redux-marathon of Star Trek consisting on 6 films. I want to clarify I'm only a novice having never seeing none of the TV series and, until a couple days, none of the movies, so please indulge my limited knowledge.
    My ranking is this:
    1- The Voyage Home: I found it was the most authentic and original. I tend to compare ST with Star Wars (and I know I shouldn't), but this one was more about what I see is the essence of the forme: space adventures that play around with science and philosophical concepts such as time-travel. The scenes in San Francisco were very amusing and I really had a good time watching it. I guess it is like a Roger Moore Bond film, but I also enjoy them!
    2- Star Trek (2009): it really has a cinematic quality (something I don't seen in the older ones). What I liked the most was the portrayals of Kirk, Bones and Chekov. I didn't liked Mr Zulu that much nor Spock. And I felt - please correct me if I'm wrong - that the romance between Spock and Uhura was a little out of place. Nimoy's cameo was brillaint by the way.
    3- First Contact: it has a great story a pace. Captain Picard is magnificent but I don't like Data that much (it seems like a cheap version of Spock). But the best thing about this movie is the idea of the "first contact" of Earth, the development of warp technology and how it united societies around the world.
    4- The Wrath of Khan: by far is the more known and recognized. I like to finally see those legendary lines like "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" and the everlasting "KHAAAAN". It is a little slow-paced for my taste but very memorable.
    5- The Search for Spock: not that good as Wrath of Khan but it has some good moments.
    6- Star Trek Into Darkness: I didn't like the re-use of ideas from Wrath of Khan. I prefer if it hasn't push that far into parallelisms as inverting the roles of Kirk and Spock. It has a little too much action and shooting for my taste.

    So, I have another 6 movies to watch but I understand they are not the better ones, except The Undiscovered Country for which I have great interest on watching. It was interesting to explore new movies and going into films I haven't gone before...

    I thought I was maybe losing my mind in recent weeks, and then I see that someone has placed The Voyage Home as a favorite or best (Star Trek) movie, and all seems right with the world..

    It's not that Nimoy did a poor job as director (he put together a fine job for The Search for Spock) but the screenwriters eventually gave birth to a bastard of a picture, and instead of some decent battles with Klingons, Romulans, or other galactic adversaries, we were left presented with some nonsensical idea about preserving a couple of whales and all lead characters playing the fool in (then) present day California. Damn mess of a movie, that I bother to watch, say around once every two or three years at best. Thankfully we got back on track with the much improved The Final Frontier in '89, after that chicken litter entry

    Incidentally, watched The Wrath of Khan within the last week, and maybe after so many viewings, it's becoming a bit stale now. Montalban is the best thing about that one release, and spews venom at the camera with a superlative performance, but sometimes after most recent viewings, it's maybe losing it's appeal a little

    have The Undiscovered Country lined up also sometime soon, as a next watch, as it's been a while since a last viewing
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    My top Trek movies go something like this:

    #1 STVI: The Undiscovered Country/STIV: The Voyage Home/ST: The Motion Picture (tie)
    #2 STII: The Wrath Of Khan/STIII: The Search For Spock (tie)
    #3 STV: The Final Frontier
  • Star Trek VI was my favorite Trek film. Great action and battles, but it also had a great plot that helped bridge the universe of TOS and TNG.
  • Posts: 1,817
    @Agent007391, not ramdomly, I just picked what many said are the best ones.
    @Baltimore, as I said before, don't take my opinions too seriously as I am only a layman in this franchise.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    0013 wrote:
    don't take my opinions too seriously as I am only a layman in this franchise.
    Not a bit of it. As a laymen, your opinions are indeed fascinating. I look forward to more.
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    I recently purchased the blue ray of the first six Trek movies. I plan on doing a marathon minus STtMP and ST V The final Frontier.
    I always felt that 2,3,4,6 were all excellent.
    Of the odd numbered films 3, the Search for Spock is the best. Probably because it is part of a trilogy that consisted of 2,3,4. These three films are most definitely a trilogy and each one picks up where the previous film left off.

    I always felt that of the next generation films 8, First Contact is the best. 9 Insurrection should never have been made. And 10 Nemesis is forgettable too.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    OHMSS69 wrote:
    Insurrection should never have been made.
    Don't make me phase you, bro.
    :))
  • chrisisall wrote:
    OHMSS69 wrote:
    Insurrection should never have been made.
    Don't make me phase you, bro.
    :))

    It's a lot better than Nemesis.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    It's a lot better than Nemesis.

    We reach. :)>-
  • edited February 2014 Posts: 381
    Here's how I'd rank the films:

    VI: The Undiscovered Country
    VIII: First Contact
    IV: The Voyage Home
    II: The Wrath of Khan
    VII: Generations
    III: The Search of Spock
    IX: Insurrection
    I: TMP
    V: The Final Frontier
    XI: Star Trek (2009)
    XII: Into Darkness
    X: Nemesis
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Here's how I'd rank the films:

    VI: The Undiscovered Country
    VIII: First Contact
    IV: The Voyage Home
    II: The Wrath of Khan
    VII: Generations
    III: The Search of Spock
    IX: Insurrection
    I: TMP
    V: The Final Frontier
    XI: Star Trek (2009)
    XII: Into Darkness
    X: Nemesis
    A mostly agreeable list, but I'd list Generations at the bottom.... Kirk dying a Wile E. Coyote death was unforgivable IMO.
  • edited February 2014 Posts: 381
    chrisisall wrote:
    Here's how I'd rank the films:

    VI: The Undiscovered Country
    VIII: First Contact
    IV: The Voyage Home
    II: The Wrath of Khan
    VII: Generations
    III: The Search of Spock
    IX: Insurrection
    I: TMP
    V: The Final Frontier
    XI: Star Trek (2009)
    XII: Into Darkness
    X: Nemesis
    A mostly agreeable list, but I'd list Generations at the bottom.... Kirk dying a Wile E. Coyote death was unforgivable IMO.

    Generations is full of plot-holes (Confused Matthew did a good review) but I still really enjoyed that movie. Kirk's death was well-done, IMO and I liked how he died with Picard and the torch was passed.

    I'd take the Dominion takeover story-arch in season six of DS9 over any of the films.
  • I liked Generations, despite having the new faces and crew (although Shatner was featured) and McDowell once again put in a very good performance. But it couldn't compare with the original cast and their often fine adventures. Patrick Stewart wasn't as good an enterprise captain as Shatner and the supporting new cast introduced in the 1990s often left me devoid of any proper interest, but Generations just about kept the viewer occupied throughout
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Generations is a boring insulting turd of a Star Trek movie. I wish Shatner, Koenig and Doohan should have showed Berman and Paramount the door. I'm glad Nimoy and Kelley turned down the chance to cameo in this piece of crap. There is nothing fun about Star Trek generations. To me, It's the worst Star Trek movie ever made. Plinkett said it best.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Murdock wrote:
    I'm glad Nimoy and Kelley turned down the chance to cameo in this piece of crap. There is nothing fun about Star Trek generations. To me, It's the worst Star Trek movie ever made.
    THANK YOU @Murdock.
  • It did have McDowell @Murdock , who can usually be relied upon to salvage any movie experience regardless of how lame it can be. Maybe it didn't quite work for some in Generations. I'd give it a five out of ten overall though. The opening at sea all seemed a bit unnecessary and overlong also from recalling a last viewing
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    chrisisall wrote:
    Murdock wrote:
    I'm glad Nimoy and Kelley turned down the chance to cameo in this piece of crap. There is nothing fun about Star Trek generations. To me, It's the worst Star Trek movie ever made.
    THANK YOU @Murdock.

    You're Welcome @chrisisall, Very soon I plan on doing a Star Trek Retrospective.

  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Murdock wrote:
    Very soon I plan on doing a Star Trek Retrospective.
    Don't be too harsh on Final Frontier.... "What does God need with a starship?" is such a cool line it almost saves the whole film for me...
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    chrisisall wrote:
    Murdock wrote:
    Very soon I plan on doing a Star Trek Retrospective.
    Don't be too harsh on Final Frontier.... "What does God need with a starship?" is such a cool line it almost saves the whole film for me...

    To be honest, I really don't hate Final Frontier. I mean It's far from my favorite but It has it's enjoyable moments. The only Trek movies I dislike are Generations and Nemesis.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Murdock wrote:
    The only Trek movies I dislike are Generations and Nemesis.
    Again, we reach. Gonna crack my knuckles & jump for joy...
    :))
  • The Uhura 'distraction' moment was ill-advised to say the least.

    Sybok as Spocks half-brother was perhaps the best character as the usual cast seemed to just go through the motions and content to pick up another paycheck without portraying any real interest. Nonetheless it's a decent film that moves along with some moments of genuine tension, but didn't approve of the enterprise crew getting all pally with Klingon characters at the very end. Not as absurd as the previous one from '86, and at least an improvement from what came before. "The search for God" story was a neat idea, but ultimately fell away towards the end
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Not as absurd as the previous one from '86

    Balt, why do you hate whales?
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