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  • bondbat007bondbat007
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    So I was receantly interviewed to possibly intern on the new Star Trek film. I didn't get the job sadly but because of this, I told myself it was probably time to watch all of the old Trek films. My scores and impressions from a first time viewer who has only seen the JJ Abrams films


    Star Trek-Motion Picture- I wanted to like this film a lot. It was beautifuly shot, but my god, some scenes went on FOREVER. Overall, it was underwhelming. 5/10

    Star Trek II: Wrath of Kahn- This is of course the one I was waiting for that I was told I would love. It didn't disappoint either. I even did my research and watched "Space Seed" beforehand. For somebody who saw and enjoyed "Into Darkness" first, this didn't suffer. I thought it was exciting, well acted, and had a great emotional payoff. 9/10

    Star Trek III- Liked it more than I thought I would. Had a good villain. Stealing the Enterprise was an amazing scene. But it felt a little empty all things considered. Obviously the second film of a three film story. 7/10

    Star Trek IV- I knew what to expect and I still really enjoyed it. Enjoyed the tone shift from the previous darker films. Comedic timing was good and overall it just was a good time watching. 8.5/10

    Star Trek V- Oh man...bad comedy, bad direction (thanks Will). Story concept kept my interest though. But it was tough to get through. 4/10

    Star Trek VI- I REALLY enjoyed this one. Loved the Cold War comparisons. A really nice sendoff for the crew. 9/10

    *I watched a lot of The Next Generation and absoulutly loved it.

    Star Trek Generations- Aside from Kirk's death, which was really horrible, this film wasn't bad. I love the Next Gen cast a lot so it was nice to see them get the movie treatment. Villain was ok. But a decent Trek film. 7/10

    Star Trek First Contact- My favorite Trek film. The Borg are the perfect Trek villain and everybody is on point. The story of the first warp drive was super interesting and Piccard basically becoming Cap Ahab was amazing. Was it a little empty? Sure, but I loved it. 10/10

    Star Trek Insurrection- What a disappointment. Same cast, director, writers as First Contact but it was just so...boring. More like an extended TV episode than a film. I also hated how the people hated technology but used it anyway. 3/10

    Star Trek Nemesis- I actually thought this one was ok. Not great, and not a great sendoff for the Next Gen crew, but I liked it. Data's death was sad, the story was personal for Piccard, and I liked Tom Hardy a lot. Could have been better though, not hard to see why it didn't do well. 6/10

    Star Trek- I've seen this film a bunch and still love it. Great pace, great acting, great action. And now I see that it really pays respect to the Trek universe. 9/10

    Star Trek Into Darkness- I still really like this film, but not really as a Trek film I think. Cummberbach is fun to watch and I think the story is pretty interesting. Looking forward to Trek 3. 7.5/10

    So there you have it. I've really enjoyed watching these films for the most part and I realize what I've been missing. I'll have to watch some of the other shows that are on Netflix. Live long and prosper!
  • RogueAgentRogueAgent
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    Great to know that filming has begun! I do like our new old crew! ;)
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    bondbat007 wrote: »
    Star Trek-Motion Picture- I wanted to like this film a lot. It was beautifuly shot, but my god, some scenes went on FOREVER. Overall, it was underwhelming. 5/10
    It's the one that feels most like the old series to me, and I dig the 2001 vibe. Damn the pacing, it's pure ship porn and I love it.
    bondbat007 wrote: »
    Star Trek IV- I knew what to expect and I still really enjoyed it. Enjoyed the tone shift from the previous darker films. Comedic timing was good and overall it just was a good time watching. 8.5/10
    An all around great time IMO. Shatner really shines in this one. And the best ending to any Trek film as well.
    bondbat007 wrote: »
    Star Trek VI- I REALLY enjoyed this one. Loved the Cold War comparisons. A really nice sendoff for the crew. 9/10
    They went out on a high note- how often does THAT happen? Plummer was an awesome Klingon.

    And there you have my three favourites.
  • Gustav_GravesGustav_Graves
    edited June 2015 Posts: 11,119
    Okay, first of all, what's wrong if a movie feels like an extended TV-episode. I don't get this argument from Trek-fans at times. Most of the times the TV-episodes are actually way better, and have way more emotional depth and narrative theme to it. Just think of many "Deep Space Nine" episodes.

    Anyway, this would my ranking of all 12 films so far:

    01. --> 9.5/10: "Star Trek 8: First Contact" (1996)
    Marvellous sci-fi thriller. At times very Ridley Scott-esque. Some insight into how 'First Contact' was established. Also a metaphore on how we need to value and protect values like peace, democracy and other western enlightened ideas.
    02. --> 9.5/10: "Star Trek 9: Insurrection" (1998)
    Completely underestimated gem. This particular film has so much theme into it, that makes you discuss current-day politics. Just think about how forced 're-location' of massive numbers of people is still happening. Islamic State? Ukraine?
    03. --> 8.5/10: "Star Trek 12: Into Darkness" (2013)
    Yes, it felt many times like copy-paste work of "TWOK", but then it's also a movie about politicians going rogue, having no mandates. Admiral Marcus reminded me a lot of former president Bush in many ways. Links to DS9 as well, with Section31.
    04. --> 8.0/10: "Star Trek 6: The Undiscovered Country" (1991)
    Like "Into Darkness", full of political metaphores. Klingons are off course the Russians. And I can't help thinking how much of it is happening again today. Flight MH17? Need I say more how much that stuff is escalating?
    05. --> 7.5/10: "Star Trek 7: Generations" (1994)
    This is quite a gentle, good movie. I like how the themes of family, loss, and generational stories are interwoven in this film. Off course you have the 22nd and 23rd century interwoven, but what about Picard's tears about the loss of René.
    06. --> 6.5/10: "Star Trek 11: 2009" (2009)
    The Original Series crew is rebooted for the first time. It felt very Star Wars-like though, especially seeing Spock as a kid and Kirk as a kid. The destruction of Vulcan could be seen as a metaphore to the Holocaust. I just hoped they did more with it.
    07. --> 6.0/10: "Star Trek 2: The Wrath Of Khan" (1982)
    For me it's a very good revenge movie. But it just felt a bit too much like James Bond in outer space, where Khan was the Bond villain, and Kirk the angry 007 out on revenge. Acting is superb, but thematically a bit flat.
    08. --> 5.5/10: "Star Trek 3: The Search For Spock" (1984)
    This one for me felt like a nice space adventure. I liked the settings on Genesis. Also it was a nice sequel to "TWOK", which is also the film's weakness.
    09. --> 5.5/10: "Star Trek 1: The Motion Picture" (1979)
    Visually absolutely stunning. Even Kubrick-esque when you watch that long road from the Enterprise towards the center of V'ger. But indeed, at times too slow.
    10. --> 4.5/10: "Star Trek 10: Nemesis" (2002)
    Quite the copy of "TWOK" as well. Every aspect, from the ship-to-ship battle is copied. The only nice thing IMO was Janeway's short cameo after she got her Voyager-crew back home.
    11. --> 4.5/10: "Star Trek 4: The Voyage Home" (1986)
    Funny, entertaining, but personally I never really liked time travelling in "Star Trek". It feels such a cheap plot to use time-travel. I think it was done way better in "First Contact"
    12. --> 2.5/10: "Star Trek 5: The Final Frontier" (1989)
    The only one co-written and directed by William Shatner. And although the God-like entity makes us think about religions, it still feels flat and cheap. A movie like "Contact" is way better for such discussions.

    Ooowh by the way, I love Sir Patrick Stewart as an actor. I never understood why he wasn't cast in a Bond film yet ;-). Some memorable acting from him was the rant between Lily and Picard in "First Contact" ("BLOW UP THE DAMN SHIP JEAN-LUC!! Picard: "NOOOOO!!"). Or the sequence between Admiral Dougherty and Captain Picard ("How many people does it take Admiral!!)
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Gustav_Graves wrote: »
    02. --> 9.5/10: "Star Trek 9: Insurrection" (1998)
    Completely underestimated gem. This particular film has so much theme into it, that makes you discuss current-day politics. Just think about how forced 're-location' of massive numbers of people is still happening. Islamic State? Ukraine?
    It was a big budget TV episode, and I loved it for that. Very under rated IMO.

  • Gustav_GravesGustav_Graves
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    chrisisall wrote: »
    Gustav_Graves wrote: »
    02. --> 9.5/10: "Star Trek 9: Insurrection" (1998)
    Completely underestimated gem. This particular film has so much theme into it, that makes you discuss current-day politics. Just think about how forced 're-location' of massive numbers of people is still happening. Islamic State? Ukraine?
    It was a big budget TV episode, and I loved it for that. Very under rated IMO.

    I loved the fact how 'villainous' the Federation had become, mainly because of those Dominion Wars.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Gustav_Graves wrote: »
    chrisisall wrote: »
    Gustav_Graves wrote: »
    02. --> 9.5/10: "Star Trek 9: Insurrection" (1998)
    Completely underestimated gem. This particular film has so much theme into it, that makes you discuss current-day politics. Just think about how forced 're-location' of massive numbers of people is still happening. Islamic State? Ukraine?
    It was a big budget TV episode, and I loved it for that. Very under rated IMO.

    I loved the fact how 'villainous' the Federation had become, mainly because of those Dominion Wars.

    No civilization is immune from fear-based corruption....
  • patbpatb
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    I would like to do a study, perhaps on this forum? I have a theory that those who have ST2 on the top of their list, also have OHMSS on the top of their list. Certain movie fans embrace sad endings and perhaps would go for character development as well as action. I could be wrong and, for me, its just co-incidence. Test screenings had ST2 viewers weeping in their seats and wanting some form of hope so the last seen was added (famously against the wishes of the director), OHMSS gives no such positivity. I wonder if OHMSS had been made in the era of test sceenings, they would have stuck with such an ending. Imagine if Skyfall had finished in the church rather than add the last one min? Interesting.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    First look at Star Trek: Beyond.
    http://therpf.com/pulse/article/568/star-trek-beyond-first-footage-from-the-set?utm_campaign=influencer&utm_medium=share&utm_source=art-andrews
  • Master_DaharkMaster_Dahark
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    Hmm- he looks like a mixture of Starlord & Captain America from Winter Soldier.

    Looks cool though- I figure their traditional uniforms will be unchanged right?
    I like the hair!
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    edited August 2015 Posts: 16,351
    I did read somewhere that Paramount wanted a Guardians of the Galaxy feel to this film. And the standard uniforms look a little different. Take note of Scotty. Notice that the uniform is collared now and has a small black line around it. And the little starfleet arrowhead isn't incorporated into the shirt patterns anymore rather than a flat color. I do love Kirk's uniform though. Chris Pine is looking more and more like William Shatner with each passing film.

    Also, I did the Jacket's first in 2013! :))
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  • ThepastykidThepastykid
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    patb wrote: »
    I would like to do a study, perhaps on this forum? I have a theory that those who have ST2 on the top of their list, also have OHMSS on the top of their list. Certain movie fans embrace sad endings and perhaps would go for character development as well as action. I could be wrong and, for me, its just co-incidence. Test screenings had ST2 viewers weeping in their seats and wanting some form of hope so the last seen was added (famously against the wishes of the director), OHMSS gives no such positivity. I wonder if OHMSS had been made in the era of test sceenings, they would have stuck with such an ending. Imagine if Skyfall had finished in the church rather than add the last one min? Interesting.

    Correct in my case
  • RogueAgentRogueAgent
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    A very curious looking character! Not you Murdock! ;)
  • DoubleOhhSevenDoubleOhhSeven
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    Murdock wrote: »
    First look at Star Trek: Beyond.
    http://therpf.com/pulse/article/568/star-trek-beyond-first-footage-from-the-set?utm_campaign=influencer&utm_medium=share&utm_source=art-andrews

    I love the fact that Chris Pine is rocking a hairstyle more similar to Shatner's in the original series.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Zachary Quinto recently posted this. Notice the green blood on his hand. ;) Quinto also said to expect more Bones in Star Trek Beyond! :D
    http://www.trektoday.com/content/2015/08/star-trek-beyond-more-mccoy/

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  • DoubleOhhSevenDoubleOhhSeven
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    Murdock wrote: »
    Zachary Quinto recently posted this. Notice the green blood on his hand. ;) Quinto also said to expect more Bones in Star Trek Beyond! :D
    http://www.trektoday.com/content/2015/08/star-trek-beyond-more-mccoy/

    qunintotrek_zps0heksvhw.jpg

    That's exactly what I wanted most from Star Trek 3. :)
  • patbpatb
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    London fans may be interested that the BFI Imax have a Star Trek 2 and 3 double bill on the 14th Sept at 6pm as a tribute to LN plus that Honer score will sound terrific
  • Gustav_GravesGustav_Graves
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    It's a wrap guys! "Star Trek 13: Beyond" finished principal photography on October 16th, as confirmed by director Justin Lin. The film now goes into -a long- post-production process:

    http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/star-trek/37380/star-trek-beyond-finishes-filming

    I really expect a lot from this film. I really hope the 5-year mission that will be featured in the upcoming 50th anniversary film will turn it into a real love affair of space based exploration. I'm a bit tired of wars and other dark stuff in a Trek-film. I truly hope it'll do what movies like "Interstellar" did. A movie about space exploration, that makes Trekkies wonder again about the beautu of space travel and all its infinitive wonders.
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    I just hope they stay the hell away from San Francisco.
  • ThomasCrown76ThomasCrown76 Augusta, ks
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    no starships crashing into buildings; no more enterprise getting its butt whooped; Captain Kirk acting like the Kirk we want back so badly--not acting stupid! No jj Abrams. Hold the camera still! No lens flares! Tell the truth to fans. If khan is your villain, lying about it won't solve your problem.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    Star Trek will return to the small screen in January 2017 on CBS!!!!
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    BondJasonBond006 wrote: »
    Star Trek will return to the small screen in January 2017 on CBS!!!!

    First look!
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    Just kidding I'm afraid. =))
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Funny man.
  • RogueAgentRogueAgent
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    Looking forward to learning more on this new series!! :D
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    Star Trek: Beyond trailer

  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Now that looks awesome! :D
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    Yes, some great films coming next year. :D
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Haha, Karl Urban is terrific, and great choice of music.
  • SaintMarkSaintMark
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    Really looking forward to this next installment.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Rental.
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