CASINO ROYALE: Daniel Craig's best?

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  • Posts: 7,418
    Yes, who could forget Monsieur Mendel??
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    I too love the receptionist; total stunner too.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
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    I too love the receptionist; total stunner too.

    I've got brunette tunnel vision, so all I noticed was that she looked like this lass, Lucy, that used to work with us at the time! Not even kidding. But yes, the actress played that scene exactly right.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
    edited March 2022 Posts: 2,641
    I remember when I first saw Casino, knowing there was no Moneypenny, not minding too much because that flirtatious interaction felt like a Moneypenny scene.

    I just wish we got a scene like this with Naomie in either SP or NTTD
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    I love Naomie as Moneypenny, but Christina Cole, aka “ the Receptionist “ would have made an excellent Moneypenny.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    talos7 wrote: »
    BT3366 wrote: »
    CrabKey wrote: »
    -- fawning receptionists and side glances from women. It's all a bit corny--

    Mathis at the bar when Vesper arrives. "Don't worry about being objectified. No one noticed you. Not even a turn of the head. As for Bond, that tailored dinner jacket you ordered was a waste of money. He's the invisible man."

    Those glances are homages to the classic films where Connery and Moore got the same treatment. Funny that a lot of people have been complaining there aren't enough of those touches and Bond isn't enough of a ladies man in the most recent films.

    I love every one of those touches. I actually find the receptionist fairly reserved and professional. The actress is fantastic. It would have been a nice touch to later have her , courteously , bring Bond a spare key for his room. ;)

    She was very memorable for such a small part. Played it beautifully
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
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    I just saw Casino on the big screen again last night, masterpiece is the word I'd use to describe it. Such a wonderful treat to experience it in the cinema again. I took my Mrs last night and it was amazing to feel as excited about the film as I did in 2006.

    A few things I took away from this viewing,

    Daniel's performance is electric (probably my favourite Bond performance in the series)

    The cinematography is deeply underrated. There's rich vibrant colour throughout

    The Madagascar sequence is my favourite best action sequence of the series, so many character moments within such thrilling action.

    The dialogue is some of the strongest in the series. I just wish the scripts in the other Daniel's were this strong
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    The book? Or the film?

    Both, yes.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    I can't believe this thread has existed for 9 years and I've only just found it.

    I don't really have anything to add, short of proclaiming that I find the presence of that question mark both offensive and triggering. ;) I don't think there's any debate on that by this point.
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
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    The book? Or the film?

    Both, yes.

    Book for me, but it's fine, still liked the film.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
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    Agreed - there's no need for the '?' in the thread title!
  • edited September 2022 Posts: 2,917
    The topic is somewhat imprecise--is it asking if CR is a masterpiece among Bond films, a masterpiece among action/adventure films, or a masterpiece of cinema overall?

    I don't think any Bond films are masterpieces of cinema overall. I think FRWL, GF, and OHMSS are masterpieces among Bond films and in the action/adventure genre. I think CR is certainly in the top rank of Bond films, and if folks want to argue it's a masterpiece among Bonds they have a case. I'm not so sure if CR ranks as a masterpiece among action films, though if one was to assemble a list of the best action films of the 2000s it conceivably has a place, depending on the length of the list.

    Personally I regard CR as a very good Bond film and action film, but not a masterpiece. The film is too long and its structure is broken-backed, Craig is a too old to play a new 00 with a chip-on-his-shoulder, Arnold's music as usual reminds us that he's not John Barry, Haggis's dialogue is too on-the-nose, the drama scenes are strained, and I prefer the torture scene, card game, and Vesper-denouement from the book.

    But I recognize my opinion is very much a minority one and I certainly don't begrudge the film's success with the public and critics. In terms of impact, CR is one of the most important of all Bond films. It revitalized the series in a way no other film had done since TSWLM. And whereas TSWLM played it safe by giving us a greatest-hits compilation, CR took a genuine risk in its story and star that paid off handsomely.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Revelator wrote: »
    The topic is somewhat imprecise--is it asking if CR is a masterpiece among Bond films, a masterpiece among action/adventure films, or a masterpiece of cinema overall?

    I don't think any Bond films are masterpieces of cinema overall. I think FRWL, GF, and OHMSS are masterpieces among Bond films and in the action/adventure genre. I think CR is certainly in the top rank of Bond films, and if folks want to argue it's a masterpiece among Bonds they have a case. I'm not so sure if CR ranks as a masterpiece among action films, though if one was to assemble a list of the best action films of the 2000s it conceivably has a place, depending on the length of the list.

    Personally I regard CR as a very good Bond film and action film, but not a masterpiece. The film is too long and its structure is broken-backed, Craig is a too old to play a new 00 with a chip-on-his-shoulder, Arnold's music as usual reminds us that he's not John Barry, Haggis's dialogue is too on-the-nose, the drama scenes are strained, and I prefer the torture scene, card game, and Vesper-denouement from the book.

    But I recognize my opinion is very much a minority one and I certainly don't begrudge the film's success with the public and critics. In terms of impact, CR is one of the most important of all Bond films. It revitalized the series in a way no other film had done since TSWLM. And whereas TSWLM played it safe by giving us a greatest-hits compilation, CR took a genuine risk in its story and star that paid off handsomely.

    I’m pretty much on this take. CR is usually around the middle of the top ten in my Bond rankings. Of course, I have SF snugged right there with FRWL, GF, and OHMSS among the top of the list and as the years go by my opinion of SF being the strongest of the Michael/Barbara era stands sterner.
  • ProfJoeButcherProfJoeButcher Bless your heart
    edited September 2022 Posts: 1,711
    I think the film gets credit from non-fans as a result of it not being much like a Bond film, and credit from most fans for being what we may want or imagine Bond films to be like.

    Had it been released as something other than a Bond film (which it certainly could have been), I think it would only be half remembered as a melodramatic and clumsily-scripted Bourne knock-off
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    edited September 2022 Posts: 24,179
    CR is number 1 for me. It is the most balanced, most cleverly-written, best acted and most beautifully-looking Bond film in my opinion. I was never on board with the 'Bourne knock-off' accusation, which always rubs me the wrong way. It was 'that era'; we got Bourne, we got Batman Begins, we got Casino Royale--and while the choices of one can leak over into the production of another, I think it's unfair to assume that CR simply did what Bourne did. In my opinion, CR was much more a reaction to DAD than it was a response to Bourne.

    Speaking of DAD, that film was a child of the times too. Think The Fast And The Furious, XXX, pretty much any action videogame. If CR is a Bourne knock-off, isn't FRWL a Hitchcock knock-off then? Isn't LALD a Shaft / Blaxploitation knock-off? Isn't TMWTGG a Bruce Lee knock-off? Personally I don't like to go there. Films are rarely made in a vacuum; some set a trend, but most either follow a trend, or do a little of both. The Bonds are no different.

    Some say that CR is "Bond Begins"; as if Batman Begins gave the green light for CR. Wasn't it MGW who had always wanted to adapt CR, and finally could now that the rights to the book had come home to EON? Also, hadn't they been flirting with the idea of going "Young Bond" since the early '80s? My point is that even without Batman Begins, we probably would have gotten "Bond Begins" in 2006. It's possible that someone looked at Batman Begins and Bourne and found interesting ideas to carry over to CR. So what? Nolan had showed his crew HEAT in preparation of The Dark Knight. Films take from films, and there's always that contemporary climate that films are made in. CR is no different, but I don't think that's a problem either. What still surprises me, in a good way, is how much of the book was kept alive in the script, albeit with lots of added elements.

    I acknowledge that CR is not a flawless film in terms of its scipt, but you have to put it under a microscope to reach that conclusion, and that's not how I watch my Bond films. If we are going to scrutinize over Goldfinger's plot, most of Blofeld's schemes, whatever Zorin was doing... we're always going to hit that "this makes no sense!" wall. But isn't that what the Bonds are all about, I wonder? Aren't they just beautifully looking, highly entertaining nonsense? (If I were allergic to such enjoyable nonsense, I'd turn to LeCarré.) Anyway, CR is one of the least nonsensical films of the bunch. Whatever cracks in the story, they're not enough, not in a long shot, to take anything away from my absolute enjoyment of the film.
  • Posts: 7,418
    Saw it last night on the big screen! Fantastic viewing with a bigger than normal audience!
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
    edited September 2022 Posts: 2,641
    Mathis1 wrote: »
    Saw it last night on the big screen! Fantastic viewing with a bigger than normal audience!

    Yeah our audience on Tuesday was quite full too. It was a great night it felt like it was a new release again
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    I'm always of the opinion that a 'masterpiece' is quite a subjective term, especially when it comes to film. That said CR is rightfully one of the best liked Bond films ever. Whenever I ask people to name a Bond film this is usually the first one that comes to mind. This is now the case more than ever considering a lot of people have literally grown up with Craig as 'their Bond'.

    Anyway, it holds up. The cinematography, the action sequences, script... and what a performance from Craig. I remember seeing this film for the first time in the cinema. I was born during Brosnan's tenure, so this was the first time I'd ever seen a new Bond introduced in a new film. I must admit, I was a bit nervous considering the whole 'Craig not Bond' thing leading up to this film. Honestly, the moment Craig came onscreen, I couldn't take my eyes off of him. It's not something I can accurately describe - this wasn't a portrayal of Bond I'd necessarily seen before, and yet everything about Craig - his voice, his mannerisms etc - just made me go 'yeah, that's James Bond'.

    For me, CR and SF are the two Bond films I've seen in the cinema when they first came out that I can truly say excited me. Whatever problems I have with the rest of the Craig era - heck, even the ones I have about this film in general - CR is undeniably a highlight of the series.
  • ProfJoeButcherProfJoeButcher Bless your heart
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    DarthDimi wrote: »

    I acknowledge that CR is not a flawless film in terms of its scipt, but you have to put it under a microscope to reach that conclusion, and that's not how I watch my Bond films. If we are going to scrutinize over Goldfinger's plot, most of Blofeld's schemes, whatever Zorin was doing... we're always going to hit that "this makes no sense!" wall. But isn't that what the Bonds are all about, I wonder? Aren't they just beautifully looking, highly entertaining nonsense?

    I basically agree with this (DAF is my favorite Connery!), but for me the difference with CR is that the nonsensical bits overlap very closely with the heavy emotional content of the film (torture, suicide) and don't require a microscope, just a second viewing. There may be some holes in Zorin's planning, but AVTAK doesn't take itself as seriously as CR takes itself, and it's not taken as seriously by fans either--there's no "A View to a Kill: Masterpiece?" thread!

  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    DarthDimi wrote: »

    I acknowledge that CR is not a flawless film in terms of its scipt, but you have to put it under a microscope to reach that conclusion, and that's not how I watch my Bond films. If we are going to scrutinize over Goldfinger's plot, most of Blofeld's schemes, whatever Zorin was doing... we're always going to hit that "this makes no sense!" wall. But isn't that what the Bonds are all about, I wonder? Aren't they just beautifully looking, highly entertaining nonsense?

    I basically agree with this (DAF is my favorite Connery!), but for me the difference with CR is that the nonsensical bits overlap very closely with the heavy emotional content of the film (torture, suicide) and don't require a microscope, just a second viewing. There may be some holes in Zorin's planning, but AVTAK doesn't take itself as seriously as CR takes itself, and it's not taken as seriously by fans either--there's no "A View to a Kill: Masterpiece?" thread!

    I certainly agree that self-serious films have more of a duty to keep a close eye on their scripts. ;-)
  • ggl007ggl007 www.archivo007.com Spain, España
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    Revelator wrote: »
    I don't think any Bond films are masterpieces of cinema overall. I think FRWL, GF, and OHMSS are masterpieces among Bond films and in the action/adventure genre.
    That's interesting and surprising. What is a materpiece in your opinion?
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
    edited September 2022 Posts: 3,789
    While none of the Bond films were on the level of The Godfather, Titanic, Casablanca, or even Avatar (which were been called 'Masterpieces'), but these Bond films had contributed to the history of the cinema, let's admit it, The James Bond Franchise in general were a part of Cinematic Evolution History, just like Star Wars, Back To The Future or Marvel.
  • ProfJoeButcherProfJoeButcher Bless your heart
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    MI6HQ wrote: »
    While none of the Bond films were on the level of The Godfather, Titanic, Casablanca, or even Avatar (which were been called 'Masterpieces'), but these Bond films had contributed to the history of the cinema, let's admit it, The James Bond Franchise in general were a part of Cinematic Evolution History, just like Star Wars, Back To The Future or Marvel.

    Avatar?!
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
    edited September 2022 Posts: 3,789
    MI6HQ wrote: »
    While none of the Bond films were on the level of The Godfather, Titanic, Casablanca, or even Avatar (which were been called 'Masterpieces'), but these Bond films had contributed to the history of the cinema, let's admit it, The James Bond Franchise in general were a part of Cinematic Evolution History, just like Star Wars, Back To The Future or Marvel.

    Avatar?!

    I mean yes, critics calling it one of the Masterpieces of Cinema, they're overly praising it I think.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited September 2022 Posts: 3,152
    Revelator wrote: »
    is it asking if CR is a masterpiece among Bond films...?
    Yeh, I just assumed that's what was being asked. And I do think it's the nearest thing we've got. Is it perfect? No - but some parts if it are. One example: the shower scene. Literally, could not be improved (IMO, obvs!). Another: could that final scene be any better? I honestly don't think so. Not in any respect. Just thinking about it now, I can still remember the first time I saw it in the cinema and the wide, slow grin that spread across my face as Craig stepped up past Mr. White, the music rising with him, and then he looked down and delivered the line. Glorious, glorious stuff. Unmatched. Oh, er, sorry, I think the fanboy's off the leash... ;)
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    It is certainly a Bond film firing on all cylinders. I just don't think we've ever had a film that is as good in as many categories. Acting top notch, cast to perfection, gorgeous to look at, wonderfully scored and edited, impactful and stirring action, greatest Bond girl (in my opinion)(<3 Eva) cracking script with endlessly unforgettable lines, beautiful mix of thriller/espionage/romance, amazing PTS and song, astounding opening sequence, somehow makes cards interesting to watch...I could go on.

    For just how much was riding on this film to succeed, and how much Dan was raked over the coals from the moment he was cast in the role...my what a victory this movie was and continues to be. He gives the Bond performance to end all performances, in my eyes, only bettering himself in that category. He just has that thing, and makes every moment compelling to watch. Effortlessly cool, startlingly vulnerable, primal in his action moments, and just a damn fine actor. He gave and continued to give Bond so many layers and such raw humanity that will make his 007 nearer to my heart than any of the others. He really felt like an old friend by the end, and it speaks to the magic he worked that casual moviegoers were in puddles of tears as he died.

    CR set the stage for what I feel was a second golden era in Bond, and this movie is one of the main ones (if not THE one) I would select to show to a new viewer to the series. If you don't like this, Bond may not be for you.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    I still resent the fact that SF, a lesser film IMO, made almost twice as much as CR. 😉
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    Going back to the first page of this thread, It says something that for my “ keep 3 list, CR is the only one that an automatic pick; I would have to give the other two some thought.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    I still resent the fact that SF, a lesser film IMO, made almost twice as much as CR. 😉

    @DarthDimi, though I feel SF deserved its big hit status, that year was destined to be big for Bond. It was a long wait for a new Bond, it was the 50th anniversary for the series and the Olympics hit London with Bond a heavy feature, so there was a lot of 007 hysteria going on all year long. It was a perfect storm, and SF took advantage of it. It's hard to imagine any Bond film coming out that year not doing well. Maybe not a billion dollars well, but you get what I mean. ;-)
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    I watch CR at least once a month. Never gets old. If anything it improves with every viewing. And every viewing I'm always riveted.

    Completely bloody flawless IMO.
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