CASINO ROYALE: Daniel Craig's best?

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  • goldenswissroyalegoldenswissroyale Switzerland
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    @TripAces nothing of your list bothers me at all. I love every part of it. Do you dislike close-ups in general or is it only in CR?
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    TripAces wrote: »
    BT3366 wrote: »
    TripAces wrote: »
    In the hands of a more skillful director, CR would have been a masterpiece. But ultimately, it's not. There are too many amateurish, made-for-TV moments that drag a bit on the film's quality.
    Offer a few examples, please.

    Campbell has a penchant for close-ups of things that don't need them. The entire embassy sequence is horrible and looks like something out of MacGyver:

    1. The pull back to reveal the embassy sign, coupled with a suddent change in style and tone of Arnold;s music. It's bad.
    2. Bond's somersault*, and then Campbell closes in on Bond's face. Followed by...
    3. An unnecessary close up of a closed circult camera on a wall. Why?
    4. The close-up of Mollaka's face, as he goes to the ground, with a grunbt. Unnecessary.
    5. A quick close-up of a gun in the drawer.
    6. Another quick close-up: the small metal bust on the desk as the embassy official's head hits it.
    7. The close up of the button being pushed and...
    8. The close-up of the siren. In fact, Campbell zooms in on this. It's laughable. Why, oh, why? Does he think we don't know that sirens come from speakers such as this one?
    9. Inexcusably bad art direction in the scene outside the embassy, with a painted background that doesn't come close to matching what we saw outside the embassy the first time.
    10. Another lame close up of a face, this time a coughing guard.

    Then there's the Miami Airport sequence, with fewer issues, but it's still a bad action chase sequence, with ill-advised close-ups:

    1. The key into the sprinkler system
    2. The sprinklers themselves (we need a close-up of this?)
    3. The slipping and falling woman, who undercuts M's urgent message about the Skyfleet prototype. I have never been able to figure out why Campbell decided that we needed to see this women fall, hearing her thighs slapping the floor.
    4. Then comes the cherry on top: the horrendous pan reveal of the SkyFleet jet, with the hangar doors opening and Arnold's ridiculous bombastic music, as though we're seeing a reveal of King King. It is truly horrible filmmaking, embarrasingly bad.

    Add to this: the Ford Fusion commercial shot in the Bahamas and Bond's hilarious "whirl around" at nearly getting hit by a car during the posisoning sequence.

    BUT...

    Despite al of this, CR is still solid in my Top 4. Overall, Campbell finds his footing when we're in Montenegro. The film is more confidently directed and edited, and Arnold's score is stronger. Notice that most of the images posted from the film are from that latter half.

    Just don't ask me to call it a masterpiece. It's not. LOL

    * Compare Campbell's direction of the somersault (at the embassy) with Mendes's (at the Rome meeting). Notice how Mendes's subtle camera movement, downward as Bond hits the ground, adds weight to Bond's fall. You can tell which director is a master of his craft.

    I'll try and look out for these moments now that you've outlined them. Hopefully it won't ruin the film for me.... ;)

    I have to say, from the bits you mentioned, none really strike out as bad directing, except maybe the Skyfleet jet reveal. For most part I really like the way CR is directed. Far better than anything done by Mendes or Forster.

    And I know its probably just me, but I really love the Ford Mondeo sequence, along with Arnold's upbeat tempo track that ends in a Barry-esque GF crescendo.
  • GadgetManGadgetMan Lagos, Nigeria
    edited April 2020 Posts: 4,247
    I think Danny Boyle is even more playful with the Camera than Campbell. Boyle's Dutch tilts, Low-angle shots, Camera Slanting, Kinetic tracking & panning of the Camera, etc. Boyle directs like a Music Video/ Commercial Director. So I think Campbell doesn't do much like Boyle. If Boyle Directed NTTD, Bond would have been photographed like a Model. Boyle would have shown Bond's tie, Cufflinks & even hair....all in extreme close-up shots.
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    We should also keep in mind that many parts of modern Bond films are actually directed by second-unit directors and assistant directors. CR is no exception.
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
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    @TripAces nothing of your list bothers me at all. I love every part of it. Do you dislike close-ups in general or is it only in CR?

    Close-ups have to have purpose, to me. And so many of them in CR are of the variety of Campbell not knowing what else to do. Like I said, this is almost all in the first half and in the two big chase sequences in that first half.

    He backs away from this in the second half of the film, which is much more controlled.I mean, give me the shot of Bond consoling Vesper in the shower! Now, that was bad ass! That is what I'm talking about. It was one not only one of the best moments in the DC era, but also of the entire franchise. LOL. So to me, the first half of the film (save for some of the Ocean Club scenes) was lacking, almost lazy filmmaking.

    It's all preference, but I am partial to the work of Soderbergh, Nolan, Mendes, Fincher, and now Villeneuve, where I feel almost every shot and every scene is thoroughly planned and executed to near perfection. They just have an eye.

    I mean, DAMN:

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  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    I don't have too much of an issue with the stuff you listed, and at least to me a lot of those close ups do at least serve a purpose. The close up of the guard coughing? That's to establish shorthand that Bond knew what he was doing when he caused an explosion that was effective enough to knock the firing squad to the ground but not enough to be lethal, so the worst thing they can get out of that is coughing and a mild burn.

    Now, the Skyfleet bit? Yeah, it's awkward in how it lingers so long on that bit, and Arnold's obnoxiously blaring score only highlights how awkward it is.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    edited April 2020 Posts: 8,216
    Yeah, the Skyfleet reveal is the only one I really understand the dislike for, though I think it's fine personally. It does exactly what it needs to.

    Most of the other examples there are very basic setups that serve a purpose. They aren't stylish, but there is nothing useless about them. Efficient directing.

    I would also disagree with the Mendes comparison. The camera movement doesn't really add weight to Bond's movement there for me, and even if it did it's immediately undermined by the choice to have Bond pretty much glide the rest of the way to the car in the shot that it is cut to immediately after.

    I still like the shot - it's a very confident and smooth escape - but I don't think the comparison holds up.

    The only thing that I dislike about the CR sommersault is the obvious crash mat on the grass.
  • goldenswissroyalegoldenswissroyale Switzerland
    edited April 2020 Posts: 4,483
    @CraigMooreOHMSS I'm not even sure if I recognize a crash mat when I'm looking for it. I only checked the clip on my phone so far and it looks alright to me. Is it the spot next to the street?
    Thanks for your answer @TripAces. The shower scene is definitely a highlight of the series.
  • Agent_47Agent_47 Canada
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    CR was trending today on Twitter no.1 for some reason.....some highlights:

    Casino Royale was trending because of this tweet



    Gotta go with Thunderball, The Living Daylights and Goldeneye for me.
  • goldenswissroyalegoldenswissroyale Switzerland
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    TB is the only one not in my top ten.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Of those, I would keep DN, OHMSS and CR.
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    Of those, I would keep DN, OHMSS and CR.

    Good choice
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    OHMSS, CR and TLD
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
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    SF, CR, TB for me
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    OHMSS, GE, CR
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
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    TripAces wrote: »
    SF, CR, TB for me

    Same here, in this order: CR - TB - SF
  • goldenswissroyalegoldenswissroyale Switzerland
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    OHMSS, GE, CR

    Yes! You nailed it.
  • edited April 2020 Posts: 4,409
    I don't disagree that Campbell's direction can be a little workman-like (he is prone to slight inarticular gestures as @TripAces points out). But action filmmaking is difficult. Often, you have to spell things out to an audience as things are moving quickly. Since we watch the films on loop, these scenes stand out more in time.

    For example....think about the scene in QOS where Bond fights Slate and gets the upper hand by snatching the scissors from him and drills them into his shoulder. Wait....you can't recall it? Well that's because it moves so painfully quickly that Slate's eventual demise comes as a shock. Wait, when did Bond get the upper hand? Where did those scissors come from?

    Also, @TripAces holds Mendes out as someone who defied more rudimentary filmmaking techniques. But how about that scene in SP where there is a clear insert shot (accompanied by dramatic music) of Bond stealing Sciarra's ring in the helicopter? Basically we are pausing the action for a clear bit of 'story foreshadowing.' It's pretty schlocky moment. However, you need that shot and it has to 'obvious enough' as it serves a story purpose.

    Personally, I think Campbell levelled-up massively as a director with CR - with action, character, story, drama, emotion and violence.

    Also.............in isolation, I've ben doing some research on past Bond productions. Including past iterations of Casino Royale. Did you know that Romain Duris was the first choice for Le Chiffre?

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    I personally think he is far too handsome. He could be Bond! But I think they may have wanted to play up the young, arrogant side of Le Chiffre with him. But, Mads was perfect. He has that haunting, vampiric quality. Plus that cold Scandinavian voice.

    Also, the role of Vesper was narrowed down to Eva Green and Olivia Wilde according to Variety. Crazy as Eva seemed born for the role, but i do recall in 2006 hearing that and think Wilde was more objectively attractive. Mainly as I was 15 year-old and found her more glamorous and 'Hollywood' than the more chic and effortless Green. Here's what Wilde looked like in 2006 (I think she could have been very credible):

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    Maybe a little too Hollywood and conventional. Though there is something about her.....maybe her slightly handsome features for a woman that I find interesting. Though Eva lends the film class and has an enigmatic gallic quality.

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  • Not too say that Romain Duris and Olivia Wilde don't have the chops for those roles, but Eva and Mads were perfect and their performances only seem to get better upon every rewatch of CR.
  • GadgetManGadgetMan Lagos, Nigeria
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    I think Olivia Wilde would have really worked with Clive Owen as James Bond.
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
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    I don't disagree that Campbell's direction can be a little workman-like (he is prone to slight inarticular gestures as @TripAces points out). But action filmmaking is difficult. Often, you have to spell things out to an audience as things are moving quickly. Since we watch the films on loop, these scenes stand out more in time.

    For example....think about the scene in QOS where Bond fights Slate and gets the upper hand by snatching the scissors from him and drills them into his shoulder. Wait....you can't recall it? Well that's because it moves so painfully quickly that Slate's eventual demise comes as a shock. Wait, when did Bond get the upper hand? Where did those scissors come from?

    Also, @TripAces holds Mendes out as someone who defied more rudimentary filmmaking techniques. But how about that scene in SP where there is a clear insert shot (accompanied by dramatic music) of Bond stealing Sciarra's ring in the helicopter? Basically we are pausing the action for a clear bit of 'story foreshadowing.' It's pretty schlocky moment. However, you need that shot and it has to 'obvious enough' as it serves a story purpose.

    Personally, I think Campbell levelled-up massively as a director with CR - with action, character, story, drama, emotion and violence.

    Also.............in isolation, I've ben doing some research on past Bond productions. Including past iterations of Casino Royale. Did you know that Romain Duris was the first choice for Le Chiffre?

    Thanks for your perspective. You're right: I think for me, a close-up has to add something. Every director uses close-ups, of course. Mendes uses them in SF, as well: the Daulton bulldog is an example. But in each case, it is there to provide an image, as you say. I find many of the close-ups in CR (the first half of the film anyway) as not advancing anything. They're just puzzling choices. But I think it is also possible that Campbell was working with cramped quarters on the embassy set and that this affected how he shot that sequence. An argument could be made that the close-ups give us a closed-in feeling: that everything is tight. Bond is not operating with much space.
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    TripAces wrote: »
    I don't disagree that Campbell's direction can be a little workman-like (he is prone to slight inarticular gestures as @TripAces points out). But action filmmaking is difficult. Often, you have to spell things out to an audience as things are moving quickly. Since we watch the films on loop, these scenes stand out more in time.

    For example....think about the scene in QOS where Bond fights Slate and gets the upper hand by snatching the scissors from him and drills them into his shoulder. Wait....you can't recall it? Well that's because it moves so painfully quickly that Slate's eventual demise comes as a shock. Wait, when did Bond get the upper hand? Where did those scissors come from?

    Also, @TripAces holds Mendes out as someone who defied more rudimentary filmmaking techniques. But how about that scene in SP where there is a clear insert shot (accompanied by dramatic music) of Bond stealing Sciarra's ring in the helicopter? Basically we are pausing the action for a clear bit of 'story foreshadowing.' It's pretty schlocky moment. However, you need that shot and it has to 'obvious enough' as it serves a story purpose.

    Personally, I think Campbell levelled-up massively as a director with CR - with action, character, story, drama, emotion and violence.

    Also.............in isolation, I've ben doing some research on past Bond productions. Including past iterations of Casino Royale. Did you know that Romain Duris was the first choice for Le Chiffre?

    Thanks for your perspective. You're right: I think for me, a close-up has to add something. Every director uses close-ups, of course. Mendes uses them in SF, as well: the Daulton bulldog is an example. But in each case, it is there to provide an image, as you say. I find many of the close-ups in CR (the first half of the film anyway) as not advancing anything. They're just puzzling choices. But I think it is also possible that Campbell was working with cramped quarters on the embassy set and that this affected how he shot that sequence. An argument could be made that the close-ups give us a closed-in feeling: that everything is tight. Bond is not operating with much space.

    I actually disagree.

    I remember when watching CR in 2006 and thinking 'There are a lot of close-ups of Daniel Craig' and being rather impressed. Especially during the first act of the film. I thought it was a hugely confident thing from Campbell to do....mainly as Craig doesn't look like Pierce Brosnan or Sean Connery. In fact, Craig's 007 often looks more bruised and roughed-up.

    In this sense, it is a hugely confident thing to do. It's Campbell's way of saying 'We are doing something new. This Bond is different from the rest.' It also really cements Craig as a feasible leading man in an action film. Most importantly though, it gives Craig a chance to perform as Bond. We spend time with him and Craig's face is very unique. Like here:

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    I always wondered what people thought of the airport sequence. CR was the first Bond film to openly address a post-9/11 world. The villain's plot even involves the manipulation of stocks by causing an attack on a plane.

    The imagery of an attack on an airport is surprisingly bold and probably one of the more 'political' moments in the series. I suppose it gives the film some real world context as attacks on airports were not obscure threats at the time. What do we think? Was it too political?

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    I suspect it probably wasn't. It could have been if they hired a Muslim actor to play the terrorist but it was savvy move to not make the terrorists ideologues. Instead we get smart looking European businessmen who see terror attacks as a means of feeding their bottom line. Men like Carlos and Mollaka are hired for their skills in building bombs (we are even told they are not 'true believers' in any cause) and are financially motivated.

    Nonetheless, the politics of the piece are present.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
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    To put it simply...

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  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    Denbigh wrote: »
    To put it simply...

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    =D>
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    I always thought it was implied that Dryden's contact may have been a Muslim extremist. It's possible that Mollaka and Dimitrios dealt with Islamists too, Mollaka may have been Muslim himself although a mercenary and "not a true believer". In CR, SF and to a lesser degree SP islamist terrorism is never mentioned, but referred to as a background.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    They definitely allude to the existence of Islamic terrorists but they never feature as players.
  • R1s1ngs0nR1s1ngs0n France
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    As much as I love Bond movies (well, up to Brosnan’s tenure, anyway) I’d be hard pressed to qualify any of them a masterpiece.
    Highest quality entertainment certainly, but let’s be real, we’re not talking Stanley Kubrick or Michael Powell here.
    FRWL, GF & OHMSS stand head and shoulders above all other Bond films with OHMSS perhaps the closest to being an ‘art’ Bond film.
    GF is still the greatest ‘pure’ Bond movie while FRWL continues to reign supreme as the best overall film in the franchise.
    But masterpieces? I’m afraid not.
  • GadgetManGadgetMan Lagos, Nigeria
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    I think most films that are regarded as Masterpieces, do have the James Bond influence in them...so I think a great deal of the Bond films are masterpieces, there's something to pick from even the worst Bond films....like I've always thought the helicopter fight in SP, influenced the helicopter fight in Mission Impossible: Fallout, with the one in Fallout being prolonged & more harrowing. I can easily imagine numerous acclaimed filmmakers wishing they conceived the idea of the Gunbarrel first.

    Christopher Nolan's INCEPTION is highly regarded as a masterpiece, yet majority see it as Nolan's successful directorial James Bond Audition.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    R1s1ngs0n wrote: »
    As much as I love Bond movies (well, up to Brosnan’s tenure, anyway) I’d be hard pressed to qualify any of them a masterpiece.
    Highest quality entertainment certainly, but let’s be real, we’re not talking Stanley Kubrick or Michael Powell here.
    FRWL, GF & OHMSS stand head and shoulders above all other Bond films with OHMSS perhaps the closest to being an ‘art’ Bond film.
    GF is still the greatest ‘pure’ Bond movie while FRWL continues to reign supreme as the best overall film in the franchise.
    But masterpieces? I’m afraid not.

    Well it's all a matter of perspective... ;)
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    R1s1ngs0n wrote: »
    we’re not talking Stanley Kubrick or Michael Powell here.

    And we don't need to be in order for something to qualify as being a masterpiece under the official definition of the word.
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