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Prism. Are you being snooped on? Is this community under suspicion from the security services?
A story developing here in the UK. Apparently, the security services here have used an American snooping security service to get around UK privacy laws. Emails, telephone calls, web usage etc of British citizens have been recorded and reported upon.
In this day and age is this to be expected or do we stand our ground and fight for our civil liberties? My insurance company wants me to insert a black box in my car to track my travels as a selling point to obtain cheaper insurance. Is this all the start of 1984 society? Are we are living under the illusion that we are free men?
I don't believe that this is to keep us safe and to keep on eye on terrorist plots. We are being controlled and readied for a New World Order where we will have to conform or else. With natural resources dwindling, economies failing, political systems and revolutions nearly every day, are the powers that be doing this for our own good?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/prism-scandal-agency-to-reveal-us-links-shortly-after-claims-that-thousands-of-britons-may-have-been-spied-on-by-gchq-8650001.html
In this day and age is this to be expected or do we stand our ground and fight for our civil liberties? My insurance company wants me to insert a black box in my car to track my travels as a selling point to obtain cheaper insurance. Is this all the start of 1984 society? Are we are living under the illusion that we are free men?
I don't believe that this is to keep us safe and to keep on eye on terrorist plots. We are being controlled and readied for a New World Order where we will have to conform or else. With natural resources dwindling, economies failing, political systems and revolutions nearly every day, are the powers that be doing this for our own good?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/prism-scandal-agency-to-reveal-us-links-shortly-after-claims-that-thousands-of-britons-may-have-been-spied-on-by-gchq-8650001.html
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What do you mean? Me?
No, I mean about us being snooped on. As Bodo Lempke might have said, 'Just my little joke'.
Oh right it's not right can they see us on Ipads, Ipods , and Iphones too?
I've no idea, but I imagine it's all too possible. It's like Orwell's 1984.
'Faints' .
Getting better by the minute...wikileaks to the power of ten lol.
Well, I understand many folks being horrified that so much of their personal info is tracked. But honestly, I am not surprised. Nor am I alarmed much. If I were working in a higher up position in the government, I would take advantage of every bit of technology I could to ensure that my country stays safe, informed, and one step ahead of everybody else as much as possible.
Yes, it could be abused. But that is not obvious at this point in time (yes, somebody will jump on me for saying that), but I just don't want to buy into any paranoia or panic.
Is anyone really surprised by this? I have always assumed (for decades) that our governments are spying like crazy.
Does that give them the right to dissolve any last remaining civil liberties, though? That is what the blockleiters in Nazi Germany did. We fought a world war to overthrow an all-powerful state, now in peacetime its being foisted on us while the masses ignorantly watch The X Factor and Britain's Got Talent! So go get stuffed!
Quite.
I dont think the government is doing its job properly if it doesnt have departments who are able to contravene the law on occasion (rather like Swallow himself. They are not criminals but they will say drive at 80mph if they need to get somewhere in a hurry). We only have to look at Abu Hamza and his ilk to see what fools we are made to look by sticking strictly to the law.
I would hope we have black ops depts that are tasked with just quietly taking these people out with a double tap to the head as if we rely on the legal process to protect us we are in trouble. I am sure the yanks do even if we are too lily livered these days.
Not optimum for privacy, but really how could it be otherwise?
You really would enjoy the Remo Williams, Destroyer books. That's exactly what Remo and Cure do. :D
There is an easy way around this to digital snooping, you simply input your details, names, dob, age, where you live, incorrectly every time you sign up to something. Just enough to suggest its still you, apparently in buggers up the bots and they can't nail you to being the same person, so you're filtered out.
Yes, well I think that they may have overstepped the mark somewhat, so I am in agreement with your first paragraph. On the second paragraph, this may be a way forward but I'm not tech-savvy enough to even attempt that!
However, when it comes to the broader intelligence agencies operating behind the scenes, I think we have to be realistic.
With agencies getting less funding every year they'll try to do as much snooping through digital means as possible. It's far cheaper to track email then it is to infiltrate a terrorist cell.
If they were really as efficient as people fear how high would the bust-rate of crimes be?30 percent like now? or closer to 100?
But, for those who really want to know, this site has been visited by at least one intelligence agency before...
This being the same congress that voted AYE for all the measures that took away the same constitutional privacy provisions when Bush/Cheyney found them necessary because if you were against them you were against the US of A???
Just checking. O:-)
(Which is my country, by the way.)
Congress can at least make efforts to uphold 4th amendment provisions in the case of the former. Their activities can be audited etc.
As for the latter; realistically if it's traceable it's accessible - to those that have the capacity to trace, legally or legalishly. I don't think there's much that can be done about this. It's the reality of world we live in.
We all watch enough tv and movies to know this.
==Update: Nothing to fear. The President has said that, "In the years to come," he would be "reviewing the authorities of law enforcement, so we can intercept new types of communication," but that he would "build in privacy protections to prevent abuse" and have a "strong Privacy and Civil Liberties Board to review those issues where our counterterrorism efforts and our values may come into tension."
There, all is well. The President is looking out for us. O:-)
I'm glad hes cleared it all up.
Crystal clear...erm...as mud?
Perhaps you're too young for here, too? I could be right!