Terminator: Dark Fate (2019)

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    I'm still not sure whether this is a sequel which revisits the events of the first one, or a reboot.

    I've read the premise on Wikipedia and it hasn't really helped me understand it any better.

    On the verge of winning the war against Skynet, Connor sends his trusted lieutenant Kyle Reese back through time to save his mother's life and ensure his own existence. However, Kyle finds the original past changed. After being orphaned at age nine by a T-800, sent to kill her when she was young to prevent the future in which Skynet is defeated, Sarah Connor has been brought up by another Terminator T-800 programmed to protect her. This Terminator has then trained her to face her destiny, which she adamantly tries to reject.

    So, after trying to kill Sarah in the first film and then John in the second film fails, Skynet send another Terminator back to before the events of the first one to try and kill Sarah as a child, which results in the death of her parents changes the past/the events of the first film, right? John becomes aware of this after sending Reese back so he sends back a Terminator which saves Sarah and protects/raises her, preparing her for Reese's arrival.

    Idk. I just don't see the point in going back and changing the first film like that. It just seems like milking at this point and I don't think the film itself looks very good. It's cool that Arnold is back but I'm sorta unimpressed by the whole thing. Doesn't look awful (the smile bit in the trailer was funny) but I don't think it looks good enough to really warrant its existence. Seems like a mediocre film churned out to try and continue the franchise imo. Doesn't seem like a story that really had to be told.

    @Agent007391 Just watched the newest trailer and you're right about John Connor. I thought after the first trailer he'd just have a small part at the beginning but it seems like he does have a major role, so I think it is a shame that they couldn't get Bale back.
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    I dunno, the smile was kind of funny.
    Haha,yes! That made me laugh.

    Me too if i'm honest!
  • Posts: 12,526
    I dunno, the smile was kind of funny.
    Haha,yes! That made me laugh.

    Me too if i'm honest!
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    I'm still not sure whether this is a sequel which revisits the events of the first one, or a reboot.

    I've read the premise on Wikipedia and it hasn't really helped me understand it any better.

    On the verge of winning the war against Skynet, Connor sends his trusted lieutenant Kyle Reese back through time to save his mother's life and ensure his own existence. However, Kyle finds the original past changed. After being orphaned at age nine by a T-800, sent to kill her when she was young to prevent the future in which Skynet is defeated, Sarah Connor has been brought up by another Terminator T-800 programmed to protect her. This Terminator has then trained her to face her destiny, which she adamantly tries to reject.

    So, after trying to kill Sarah in the first film and then John in the second film fails, Skynet send another Terminator back to before the events of the first one to try and kill Sarah as a child, which results in the death of her parents changes the past/the events of the first film, right? John becomes aware of this after sending Reese back so he sends back a Terminator which saves Sarah and protects/raises her, preparing her for Reese's arrival.

    Idk. I just don't see the point in going back and changing the first film like that. It just seems like milking at this point and I don't think the film itself looks very good. It's cool that Arnold is back but I'm sorta unimpressed by the whole thing. Doesn't look awful (the smile bit in the trailer was funny) but I don't think it looks good enough to really warrant its existence. Seems like a mediocre film churned out to try and continue the franchise imo. Doesn't seem like a story that really had to be told.

    At the moment, after Salvation (which wasn't a bad film, in my opinion), any Terminator release in the future will likely be milking the franchise. They probably decided that doing any more post-Salvation movies probably wouldn't be the right thing to do (most weren't happy with no time travel, despite the fact that the cause and effect of time travel was still felt throughout the movie), so they decided that the only thing they could do was futz with the existing continuity, and but to do it in a way that works as both a sequel and a reboot, much in the same way the last two Star Trek films did.
    @Agent007391 Just watched the newest trailer and you're right about John Connor. I thought after the first trailer he'd just have a small part at the beginning but it seems like he does have a major role, so I think it is a shame that they couldn't get Bale back.

    I have to say, though,
    turning him into a villainous cyborg is quite the surprise.
  • edited April 2015 Posts: 5,767
    Should I really bother watching the new trailer?


    Edit: I did :|
    dalton wrote: »
    The new trailer gives away far too much.
    I disagree. This trailer is the final coffin nail, saving me time and money.
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    boldfinger wrote: »
    Should I really bother watching the new trailer?


    Edit: I did :|
    dalton wrote: »
    The new trailer gives away far too much.
    I disagree. This trailer is the final coffin nail, saving me time and money.

    Whether you plan on seeing the movie in theaters or not, the trailer is ridiculously spoilerific. John Harrison being Khan was a bigger surprise in Star Trek Into Darkness than anything we'll be seeing in Terminator Genisys.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited April 2015 Posts: 23,883
    I didn't think it was possible, in 2015, to make a movie with special effects that make one made in 1991 look like Oscar winning material in comparison, but I guess it is. Hopefully what we're seeing in that trailer is going to be cleaned up because the CGI looks like trash.

    Jai Courtney? - seriously this guy has a way of making Sam Worthington look charismatic. Two of the most wooden actors in cinema have now appeared in a Terminator film.
  • edited April 2015 Posts: 5,767
    boldfinger wrote: »
    Should I really bother watching the new trailer?


    Edit: I did :|
    dalton wrote: »
    The new trailer gives away far too much.
    I disagree. This trailer is the final coffin nail, saving me time and money.

    Whether you plan on seeing the movie in theaters or not, the trailer is ridiculously spoilerific. John Harrison being Khan was a bigger surprise in Star Trek Into Darkness than anything we'll be seeing in Terminator Genisys.
    Yes, and that´s why I´m grateful, because I don´t have to guess anymore wether I´m going to be interested or not ;-).




    bondjames wrote: »
    I didn't think it was possible, in 2015, to make a movie with special effects that make one made in 1991 look like Oscar winning material in comparison, but I guess it is. Hopefully what we're seeing in that trailer is going to be cleaned up because the CGI looks like trash.
    I count the SE from the one made in 1991 among the only two (next to JP) that manage to hold up well for more than five years.
    Which makes it all the more so disappointing to see this trash, but it doesn´t really matter, because the whole film seems like a vaudeville show, with no underlying tension keeping it all together.
    bondjames wrote: »
    Jai Courtney? - seriously this guy has a way of making Sam Worthington look charismatic. Two of the most wooden actors in cinema have now appeared in a Terminator film.
    Haha, well put, @bondjames :-)). But to be fair, the guy who played John Connor in the 3rd one competes with them.
    The only thing that could top them would be a bigger role played by John Terry in the next one.
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    Shot themselves in the foot, very surprised they would give what would appear to be a major plot point away in the trailer. Though i am wondering if there Will be more time hopping and alternate realitys than i first thought. Will wait till dvd!
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    It makes me wish that this was the movie instead.
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
    Posts: 4,043
    The latest trailer is utterly awful, seriously I said this had flop written all over it.

    In such a crowded summer there are going to be casualties and this looks dead on arrival.

    Awash with awful CGI and now this John Connor as a Terminator rubbish. Arnie said he's glad he wasn't in Salvation because it was rubbish, well my friend this looks much worse and you were in T3 and that was atrocious.
  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
    edited April 2015 Posts: 4,537
    Terminator 2 feeling with original trailers, but this one proof this even more...

  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    I don't know what to expect but right now I'm still very thrilled about Gen. The only false note for me, so far, has been Courtney. Didn't like him in Die Hard 5 and the association with that awful Divergent piece of rubbish I was forced to endure last year doesn't help his case very much. Other than that, I'm a sucker for anything Terminator, though I must admit that only TT and T2 are excellent in my book. I'd rate some of the Terminator comics higher than T3, which I still found acceptable to some extent, and TS, which could have been great but ended up being just meh.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Terminator- 9/10
    Terminator 2- 9.5/10
    T3- 3/10
    TS- 5/10
    *prediction* TG- 7/10
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    While the new trailer has somewhat dampened my enthusiasm for the film, I'm still very much looking forward to it. After going a couple of gubernatorial terms without a new Schwarzenegger film and then having to watch him relaunch his acting career with nonsense like Sabotage, this is finally Schwarzenegger back doing the kind of thing that he's always done best, so the film will earn points with me and hold my interest on that alone. Of course, it won't be anywhere near as good as The Terminator or T2, but so long as it clears the bar set by T3 and Terminator Salvation, then I won't be too disappointed.
  • SirHilaryBraySirHilaryBray Scotland
    edited April 2015 Posts: 2,138
    This franchise is dead they should leave it alone, after T2 they should have pulled the plug, that film was so good and so visual stunning at the time with the effects no sequel would be worth its salt. From what I have seen and read I think it struggle to take $350M at the box office. I reckon it will be as popular as Salvation but nothing greater.
  • Posts: 4,813
    Here's the Japanese trailer:



    Pretty short but there is some new footage, including THE PUNKS!
    When they say 'what's wrong with this picture' I hope it's not because Arnold left his wiener schnitzel at home...

    Kudos for replicating the costumes though!
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    I will SO see this movie. Will I SO love this movie?
    Like Scotty said, I'll let ya know.
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    I read an article by someone who said they saw Arnold on set and that he had 'dots on his face' (for CGI to be added perhaps?) and that the set looked very 70's @-)
    Those CGI dots could be for making Arnold look younger.
    Also, someone has snapped a new pic of Arnold on the set. This coincides with the older pic- could this be what he wears in the 1970's? Or in '84? Could be either

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    Some new pics:

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    Looking back at some older stuff here. Assuming the first pic supposedly features Arnold with 'CGI dots', it could very well be from the scene in the trailer with Arnold carrying young Sarah.

    The Terminator is carrying a freaking rocket launcher, so there must have been something going down there. I'm wondering if there will be an extended 70's sequence where Arnold is digitally de-aged (since he'll be a brand new Terminator at this point in time, then ages in real time as he raises Sarah)

    I wish we could see him from the front....

  • Posts: 4,813
    So here's some good news and bad news about the potentially awesome 'old Arnold vs young Arnold' scene in 1984. A nice crisp new screenshot emerged and the good news is Arnold looks GREAT. Way better than in Terminator Salvation. The not so good news, as you'll see, the punks weren't recreated well (aside from the one Arnold stole the clothes from)

    arniepunks.jpg

    I mean, look at Bill Paxton and Brian Thompson- they look like completely new guys here!
    Oh well.

    Also, word is getting out that James Cameron saw the movie and loved it. However, since I'm sure he gets a cut of the money I doubt he'll try to keep people away, even if it's bad, so we'll see
  • ThomasCrown76ThomasCrown76 Augusta, ks
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    No bill Paxton? Game over, man!
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    The one on the right looks like 80s Dolph Lundgren. I can easily hear him walking up to the T-800 and saying "I will break you."in a Russian accent.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    I'll still see it. May be cool.
  • Posts: 5,767
    Considering how different some major characters actually looked throughout the whole series, I find it ridiculous to complain that the three punks look not like they did in T1. The important thing is that they represent a certain threat, which then gets terminated.
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    Here's more of old Arnold vs young Arnold. The youtube comments all range between 'this movie looks awesome' and 'the CGI is crap', but nobody is asking the most important question:

    WHERE IS ARNOLD'S PENIS


    GRRRRRR

    arnold-schwarzenegger-bodybuilding-funny-face-10.jpg?9d7bd4
  • Posts: 9,858
    I want5 to hate this move I really really really do


    but it looks so freaking awesome.
  • Posts: 6,432
    Been rewatching the series on Bluray and getting into the mind set of I really want to watch this film. It looks like it maybe a lot of fun, I accept it will be way off the first two films that's a given. Have not watched a Terminator film at cinema since T3, what the hell I am sold on this.
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    Apparently the link I just posted is older incomplete footage and supposedly will look even better. I think it looks damn good- the CGI has come a long way and only looks fake at certain parts (like when young Arnold turns his head to see old Arnold)

    I'm fully expecting this movie to be better than T3 & 4, but to get my hopes up more than that would be foolish I think.
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