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Carver wanted to dominate & subvert World Media, I'd count THAT as World Domination! B-)
2. The overall tone of the film is simply too dark to lend the necessary grandeur.
3. There is no large-scale clash of military or paramilitary forces.
4. The plot is arguably not one of global impact. The plot of a grand film is one that touches on the clash of civilizations, or at the very least, has ramifications that affect huge swaths of the human race. CR lacks that.
In short, as much as I love CR, I don't think it remotely qualifies as a "grand" Bond film.
In a way yes. But it is not like recreating civilisation after destroying the world.
I agree with all this. I think a TB-like grand film could work with the Craig era.
But if point 4 is essential how do you reconcile TLD being grand then as you have been doing for most if this thread?
Koskov's scheme is to sell a plane full of drugs and buy some guns for the Russians. Where's the global impact there? So some more drugs go to America and the Russians shoot the shit out of Afghanistan - who cares?
Le Chiffre and Quantum are financing terrorist organisations and Le Chiffre is, through Dmitrios, actually organising terror attacks in Western airports. This is far more of a threat than Koskov's grubby little deal to line his own pockets.
I'm not sure I agree with point 1 either. Maybe it's not Barry but YKMN over the opening titles is epic, and the brass rendition of it during the Ford advert ahem I mean when Bond is driving in the Bahamas is up there with classic Barry and I also think the instrumental version over the shot of the train in Montenegro has the necessarry romance/intrigue to qualify as grand. The scoring of the scene in the shower, the entrance to Venice and Vespers death are also very good.
And I also would say that to argue CR doesn't 'remotely' qualify as grand is rather far from the mark.
Whereas the Brosnan so called big epics felt like some generic action film and nothing like a big epic Bond entry.
I guess TB, YOLT, OHMSSS SWLM would be the others in this category.
I can see where some would be saying maybe CR but the author of this thread is looking for a grand scheme in the plot as well as globe trotting locations that CR admittedly has got. CR is a small scale in the plot department and more personal whereas all the ones mentioned have a allot at stake, World Domination etc etc.
In the context of the Cold War, which was global and arguably civilizational in scope, the Afghan arms trade was huge and of global import. But I suppose you could say something similar about CR in the post-9/11 era, so I'm willing to partially concede that point. Still, CR lacks the other elements necessary to be classed a grand film and therefore I don't regard it as such.
Even AVTAK could be considered global as it involved the flooding of silicon valley which would have had considerable consequences for the world.
GE was certainly grand scheming.
DAD was stopping an invasion of Korea and starting a war with the rest of world.
CR a grand scheme of a banker gone wrong for him personaly
QoS 007 on the trail of the bankers bosses and stopping a coup in some South American country
SF 007 trying to stop the assassination of M a doing a great job.
No grand Bond stories for Craig yet, but perhaps that does not fit the era he represents.
I thought straight away of Casino Royale, but if you want to go beyond that, you'd be looking at titles such as Goldeneye, The Living Daylights or even Moonraker
From Russia With Love could be the most Fleming-esque Bond release of them all, but it's not even a personal favorite. Truly great and memorable Bond releases would have to be, On Her Majestys Secret Service, The Spy Who Loved Me, Moonraker, The Living Dayklights, Goldeneye and the aforementioned Casino Royale and From Russia With Love, but it's all about any one individuals opinions
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/grand
For me, the last grand one was CR, for the high-stakes card game and the even higher-stakes love story. Before that, probably OHMSS.
Reposted the original post.
For any having difficulties understanding this thread.
I'd include TB, YOLT, OHMSS, TSWLM, MR and TLD as grand Bond films.
At a push GE, TND and possibly CR.
I suggest those who want to simply shoot down the original posters idea for the thread simply don't post. There are plenty of threads and topics for all to be active in.
Ersatz John Barry doesn't really qualify as grand, or even interesting. Also, the scoring of the helicopter shot over the Venetian Lagoon and the finger fetish scene are both ridiculously OTT. One of the things that Arnold's QOS (maybe thanks to Forster's aegis rather than Campbell's) and Newman's SF got right was not to overplay scenes, and use a more understated, ambient approach. Great examples are Mathis's and M's deaths.
RE: 00Hero. How old are you? 6?
Mean while chaps back on topic in my opinion Dad is grand with the locations, Korea, laser beam ice palace car chase etc. You just got to hold the xbox controller when the Cgi parasurfing comes on and your good to go.