NEW BOND POLLS 2021: Every Bond actor's 1st Bond film!

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  • Posts: 11,119
    Actor
    1:Roger Moore(8)
    2: Sean Connery (6)
    3: Timothy Dalton (4)
    4: Pierce Brosnan (3)
    5: Daniel Craig (2)
    6: George Lazenby (1)


    Movie
    1: Live and Let Die (16)
    2: The Living Daylights (12)
    3: Goldeneye (8)
    4: Dr No (6)
    5: OHMSS (4)
    6: CR (2)

    Remember....vote for the actor and his acting skills in his first Bond film...not the ones that come after them.
  • Dragonpol wrote:
    George Lazenby does surprisingly well out of all of this I'm very glad to see!

    No he doesn't, look at where people are ranking him as an actor! If my count is correct, 16 out of 23 voters (if you include a voter who gave him 5/10 which ranked lowest in his view) have George as the worst actor, and rightfully so. He has two 5th place votes, and two 4th place votes as well. He goes no higher than #3 and that's a mere 3 times.

    What is doing well and clouding your judgement is people's positive views on the movie.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    edited July 2013 Posts: 18,338
    Dragonpol wrote:
    George Lazenby does surprisingly well out of all of this I'm very glad to see!

    No he doesn't, look at where people are ranking him as an actor! If my count is correct, 16 out of 23 voters (if you include a voter who gave him 5/10 which ranked lowest in his view) have George as the worst actor, and rightfully so. He has two 5th place votes, and two 4th place votes as well. He goes no higher than #3 and that's a mere 3 times.

    What is doing well and clouding your judgement is people's positive views on the movie.

    Oh, I stand corrected. Figures never were my strong suit. Sorry.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    Posts: 18,338
    Dragonpol wrote:
    Dragonpol wrote:
    George Lazenby does surprisingly well out of all of this I'm very glad to see!

    Roger Moore however..... :( . I wonder how that is possible....

    I take it by that statement that you don't approve of Roger Moore very much, then?

    No, it's not that. I just wonder why Pierce Brosnan is not at last position instead of good ol Roger Moore. Kind of a surprise for me. Is it because classic Bond films, 'Dr. No', 'Live And Let Die' are slowly becoming....too slow for newer, younger fans?

    Could be. I'd rate Roger Moore much higher than Pierce Brosnan, certainly, though I like both of them.
  • edited July 2013 Posts: 3,494
    @Dragonpol- oh, good. Between that and Drax, I thought you might be full of whimsy today and in need of a short but therapeutic nap ;)

    I agree with you about Moore over Brosnan. Two out three ain't bad, right?
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    edited July 2013 Posts: 18,338
    @Dragonpol- oh, good. Between that and Drax, I thought you might be full of whimsy today and a short but therapeutic nap ;)

    I agree with you about Moore over Brosnan. Two out three ain't bad, right?

    Already had an afternoon nap. Doesn't seem to have done very much good although at least we have finally agreed on something. Surely the sky will now fall as a result!
  • Dragonpol wrote:
    @Dragonpol- oh, good. Between that and Drax, I thought you might be full of whimsy today and a short but therapeutic nap ;)

    I agree with you about Moore over Brosnan. Two out three ain't bad, right?

    Already had an afternoon nap. Doesn't seem to have done very much good although at least we have finally agreed on something. Surely the sky will now fall as a result!

    Haha, we usually seem to agree, just not on the merits of Lazenby and Lonsdale. Don't see the sky falling down over here. Perhaps you missed the various MR reviews on the original thread? Or that OHMSS sits at #9 mostly due to Lazers? Or that we all think Stephens/Graves is pretty much as bad as Lonsdale/Drax? Well, maybe not quite all of us on the last point, maybe I am a bit extreme in my view but that's how I've felt since 1979 and 2002 and I can't see myself changing my mind.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    Posts: 18,338
    Dragonpol wrote:
    @Dragonpol- oh, good. Between that and Drax, I thought you might be full of whimsy today and a short but therapeutic nap ;)

    I agree with you about Moore over Brosnan. Two out three ain't bad, right?

    Already had an afternoon nap. Doesn't seem to have done very much good although at least we have finally agreed on something. Surely the sky will now fall as a result!

    Haha, we usually seem to agree, just not on the merits of Lazenby and Lonsdale. Don't see the sky falling down over here. Perhaps you missed the various MR reviews on the original thread? Or that OHMSS sits at #9 mostly due to Lazers? Or that we all think Stephens/Graves is pretty much as bad as Lonsdale/Drax? Well, maybe not quite all of us on the last point, maybe I am a bit extreme in my view but that's how I've felt since 1979 and 2002 and I can't see myself changing my mind.

    I wouldn't dare ask you to change your mind - Lonsdale of course isn't a patch on the novel version of Sir Hugo Drax, though I can see Brian Blessed in that role - he'd be perfect as the unruly loudmouth that is 'Hugger' Drax!
  • Posts: 11,119
    Keep voting guys :-)
  • PrinceKamalKhanPrinceKamalKhan Monsoon Palace, Udaipur
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    Actors:
    001) Timothy Dalton - 8 pts
    002) Sean Connery - 6 pts
    003) Daniel Craig - 4 pts
    004) Roger Moore - 3 pts
    005) George Lazenby - 2 pts
    006) Pierce Brosnan - 1 pt

    Films:
    001) TLD - 16 pts
    002) OHMSS - 12 pts
    003) CR - 8 pts
    004) DN - 6 pts
    005) GE - 4pts
    006) LALD - 2 pts

    Total:
    001) Timothy Dalton - 24 pts
    002) George Lazenby - 14 pts
    003) Sean Connery - 12 pts
    004) Daniel Craig - 12 pts(tied with Connery)
    005) Roger Moore - 5 pts
    006) Pierce Brosnan - 5 pts(tied with Moore)

  • Posts: 11,119
    Hmmm, interesting list @PrinceKamahlKhan. You made it quite exciting. Now there are two actors fighting for last place in the category 'Best Actor in his 1st Bond film' :-).
  • edited August 2013 Posts: 3,494
    @Gustav- are we going to get "by category" breakdowns (actor and movie), or just an overall total package tally?

    It would be a shame if Sir Rog is in the bottom two of actors, he doesn't deserve it :(
  • edited August 2013 Posts: 2,107
    Actors

    1. Daniel Craig 8 pts
    2. Sean Connery 6 pts
    3. Timothy Dalton 4 pts
    4. Roger Moore 3 pts
    5. Pierce Brosnan 2 pts
    6. George Lazemby 1 pts

    Films

    1. Dr. No 16 pts
    2. CR 12 pts
    3. TLD 8 pts
    4. LALD 6 pts
    5. OHMSS 4 pts
    6. GE 2 pts

    Total package

    1. Connery 22 pts
    2. Craig 20 pts
    3. Dalton 12 pts
    4. Moore 9 pts
    5. Lazemby 5 pts
    6. Brosnan 4 pts

    edit: Mistake in the films section. Now corrected.
  • edited August 2013 Posts: 11,119
    SharkBait wrote:
    Actors

    1. Daniel Craig 8 pts
    2. Sean Connery 6 pts
    3. Timothy Dalton 4 pts
    4. Roger Moore 3 pts
    5. Pierce Brosnan 2 pts
    6. George Lazemby 1 pts

    Films

    1. CR 16 pts
    2. Dr. No 12 pts
    3. TLD 8 pts
    4. LALD 6 pts
    5. OHMSS 4 pts
    6. GE 2 pts

    Total package

    1. Craig 24 pts
    2. Connery 18 pts
    3. Dalton 12 pts
    4. Moore 9 pts
    5. Lazemby 5 pts
    6. Brosnan 4 pts

    I'm quite surprised that Daniel Craig is scoring so high on the actor's list. For me it's all about nuances and slight...very slight differences in acting quality. For me, especially verbally, Daniel Craig wasn't necessarily the best of the bunch. I thought Connery and Lazenby all dit slightly better.

    And OHMSS as film....2nd last? I don't really get that. I think story-wise, acting wise (don't look to Lazenby only, Savalas, Ferzetti and Rigg did some perfect acting there!) and also looking to originality and the locations....OHMSS trumps DN, TLD and especially LALD. The latter for me still is a very Guy Hamilton-like film. Lots of fun, humour and laughter....but not that Fleming-esque.
  • Scores so far after 25 people have casted their votes:

    Points "Best Total Package" (Best Film vs. Best 1st Bond Outing:
    400 POINTS --> Daniel Craig in 'Casino Royale'
    358 POINTS --> Timothy Dalton in 'The Living Daylights'
    315 POINTS --> Sean Connery in 'Doctor No'
    302 POINTS --> 'George Lazenby in 'On Her Majesty's Secret Service'
    236 POINTS --> Pierce Brosnan in 'GoldenEye'
    189 POINTS --> Roger Moore in 'Live And Let Die'

    Points "Best Overall Film":
    262 POINTS --> 'Casino Royale'
    256 POINTS --> 'On Her Majesty's Secret Service'
    228 POINTS --> 'The Living Daylights'
    174 POINTS --> 'Doctor No'
    166 POINTS --> 'GoldenEye'
    114 POINTS --> 'Live And Let Die'

    Points "Best Actor As Bond 1st Time":
    141 POINTS --> Sean Connery
    138 POINTS --> Daniel Craig
    130 POINTS --> Timothy Dalton
    075 POINTS --> Roger Moore
    070 POINTS --> Pierce Brosnan
    046 POINTS --> George Lazenby

    I must say, I think the quality of Lazenby's first Bond outing is mostly clouded by the fact that he only did one......and all its disadvantages and negative reviews that came with it.

    Just try to think how you judge these 6 films if there were only these 6 Bond films with for every Bond film a different actor. Personally, for me, given the fact George Lazenby was a newcomer without acting experience, he had, IMO more charisma than Timothy Dallton. And on the whole, I thought he gave his best during the love scenes with Tracy. The wedding proposal in the barn for instance. I think that was true Oscar-worthy acting. It still warms me and it warms me more than Craig's over-acting" when Vesper died. It is one of the reasons why the Hollywood Press nominated George Lazenby for a Golden Globe in 1970.....
  • KerimKerim Istanbul Not Constantinople
    Posts: 2,629
    Film:

    1. CR (16)
    2. OHMSS (12)
    3. GE (8)
    4. TLD (6)
    5. DN (4)
    6. LALD (2)

    Actor:

    1. SC (8)
    2. DC (6)
    3. TD (4)
    4. PB (3)
    5. RM (2)
    6. GL (1)

    Package:

    DC - CR (22)
    GL - OHMSS (13)
    SC - DN (12)
    PB - GE (11)
    TD - TLD (10)
    RM - LALD (4)
  • Posts: 2,491
    Actors:
    1) Connery - 8 pts
    2) Craig - 6 pts
    3) Dalton - 4 pts
    4) Brosnan - 3 pts
    5) Lazenby - 2 pts
    6) Moore - 1 pt

    Films:
    1) CR - 16 pts
    2) OHMSS - 12 pts
    3) DN- 8 pts
    4) TLD- 6 pts
    5) GE - 4 pts
    6) LALD - 2 pts

    Total:

    1) Craig- 22 pts
    2) Connery- 16 pts
    3) Lazenby- 14 pts
    4) Dalton- 10 pts
    5) Brosnan 7 pts
    6) Moore 3 pts

  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 24,250
    Sorry, @Gustav_Graves! I love the idea for this thread. Hope I'm not too late. ;-)

    Actors:
    1) Dalton - 8 pts
    2) Connery - 6 pts
    3) Craig - 4 pts
    4) Moore - 3 pts
    5) Brosnan - 2 pts
    6) Lazenby - 1 pt

    Films:
    1) GE - 16 pts
    2) OHMSS - 12 pts
    3) CR- 8 pts
    4) TLD- 6 pts
    5) DN - 4 pts
    6) LALD - 2 pts

    Totals:
    1) Brosnan - 18 (because of GE, mind)
    2) Dalton - 14
    3) Lazenby - 13 (wow, the films sure impact a lot!)
    4) Craig - 12
    5) Connery - 10
    6) Moore - 5
  • Nono, you're not too late @DarthDimi ;-)! I just do a 'scores so far' every once in a while ;-)
  • Scores so far after 29 people have casted their votes:

    Points "Best Total Package" (Best Film vs. Best 1st Bond Outing. In essence this is the true "Best Film" category):
    478 POINTS --> Daniel Craig in 'Casino Royale'
    398 POINTS --> Timothy Dalton in 'The Living Daylights'
    369 POINTS --> Sean Connery in 'Doctor No'
    355 POINTS --> 'George Lazenby in 'On Her Majesty's Secret Service'
    277 POINTS --> Pierce Brosnan in 'GoldenEye'
    210 POINTS --> Roger Moore in 'Live And Let Die'

    Points "Best Overall Film" (When you rate this category, you are more focussed on the screenplay/story combined with all other elements, for example ensemble cast, music score, etc. Except looking to the Bond-actor in particular!):
    318 POINTS --> 'Casino Royale'
    304 POINTS --> 'On Her Majesty's Secret Service'
    248 POINTS --> 'The Living Daylights'
    198 POINTS --> 'GoldenEye'
    198 POINTS --> 'Doctor No'
    126 POINTS --> 'Live And Let Die'

    Points "Best Actor As Bond 1st Time" (You could say that here you are rating the "Best Oscar" for leading actor, off course being the Bond-actor):
    171 POINTS --> Sean Connery
    160 POINTS --> Daniel Craig
    150 POINTS --> Timothy Dalton
    084 POINTS --> Roger Moore
    079 POINTS --> Pierce Brosnan
    052 POINTS --> George Lazenby

  • NicNacNicNac Administrator, Moderator
    Posts: 7,584
    Best Overall Film

    On Her Majesty's Secret Service 16p
    Dr No 12p
    The Living Daylights 8p
    Casino Royale 6p
    Live & Let Die 4p
    GoldenEye 2p


    Best Actor as Bond

    Sean Connery 8p
    Daniel Craig 6p
    Roger Moore 4p
    George Lazenby 3p
    Pierce Brosnan 2p
    Timothy Dalton 1p

  • Best Overall Film

    Casino Royale 16p
    On Her Majesty's Secret Service 12p
    Dr No 8p
    The Living Daylights 6p
    Goldeneye 4p
    Live & Let Die 2p


    Best Actor as Bond

    Daniel Craig 8p
    Sean Connery 6p
    Timothy Dalton 4p
    Pierce Brosnan 3p
    Roger Moore 2p
    George Lazenby 1p
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    Posts: 9,117
    Actor

    Daniel Craig 8
    Sean Connery 6
    George Lazenby 4
    Timothy Dalton 3
    Pierce Brosnan 2
    Roger Moore 1

    Film

    OHMSS 16
    CR 12
    TLD 8
    GE 6
    DN 4
    LALD 2

    Total

    OHMSS/CR 20
    TLD 11
    DN 10
    GE 8
    LALD 3
  • Scores so far after 32 people have casted their votes:

    Points "Best Total Package" (Best Film vs. Best 1st Bond Outing. In essence this is the true "Best Film" category):
    534 POINTS --> Daniel Craig in 'Casino Royale'
    428 POINTS --> Timothy Dalton in 'The Living Daylights'
    413 POINTS --> Sean Connery in 'Doctor No'
    408 POINTS --> 'George Lazenby in 'On Her Majesty's Secret Service'
    296 POINTS --> Pierce Brosnan in 'GoldenEye'
    225 POINTS --> Roger Moore in 'Live And Let Die'

    Points "Best Overall Film" (When you rate this category, you are more focussed on the screenplay/story combined with all other elements, for example ensemble cast, music score, etc. Except looking to the Bond-actor in particular!):
    352 POINTS --> 'Casino Royale'
    348 POINTS --> 'On Her Majesty's Secret Service'
    270 POINTS --> 'The Living Daylights'
    222 POINTS --> 'Doctor No'
    210 POINTS --> 'GoldenEye'
    134 POINTS --> 'Live And Let Die'

    Points "Best Actor As Bond 1st Time" (You could say that here you are rating the "Best Oscar" for leading actor, off course being the Bond-actor):
    191 POINTS --> Sean Connery
    182 POINTS --> Daniel Craig
    158 POINTS --> Timothy Dalton
    091 POINTS --> Roger Moore
    086 POINTS --> Pierce Brosnan
    060 POINTS --> George Lazenby
  • Posts: 12,514
    Birdleson wrote: »
    LIVE AND LET DIE is in my overall Top Ten (#7). Am I alone in this?

    It's my #11; so close but just barely edged by my #10 (FRWL). It's underrated typically though. I always have a lot of fun watching it, and regard it in the better half of Moore's outings.

  • Posts: 12,514
    I rank Moore's as:
    1. The Spy Who Loved Me
    2. For Your Eyes Only
    3. Live and Let Die
    4. The Man with the Golden Gun
    5. Octopussy
    6. Moonraker
    7. A View to a Kill

    #6 to 7, 4 to 5, and 2 to 3 are all kind of close.
  • edited September 2014 Posts: 11,119
    Birdleson wrote: »
    LIVE AND LET DIE is in my overall Top Ten (#7). Am I alone in this?

    Still, LALD is clearly on last position in this poll. We all think, on average, that LALD is the worst "Bond film with one particular actor in his first Bond outing".
  • Birdleson wrote: »
    Birdleson wrote: »
    LIVE AND LET DIE is in my overall Top Ten (#7). Am I alone in this?

    Still, LALD is clearly on last position in this poll. We all think, on average, that LALD is the worst "Bond film with one particular actor in his first Bond outing".

    Yes, that's why I made the remark to begin with.

    For me, the Guy Hamilton/Richard Maibaum/Tom Mankiewicz Bond films (Goldfinger, Diamonds Are Forever, Live And Let Die & The Man With The Golden Gun) are among the funniest, but als cheesiest Bond films.

    Don't forget that actor Sean Connery himself was already very sceptical about the screenplay for "Goldfinger". During team meetings and calls back and forth, Connery put many notes/annotations on the drafts written by Maibaum. He thought "Goldfinger" was starting to become way too "frivoulous" and "jokey", losing the seriousness and cold-heartedness that was present in "Doctor No" and "From Russia With Love.

    I think Connery, already by then, wasn't heard properly. And you can see it in other aspects of the movie. Q had to become the "grumpy" guy, evoking more laughter. Pussy Galore wasn't at all a lesbian Roas Klebb-esque henchwoman. Nono, she had to be lured into "the normal straight world" with a well-lifted wonderbra.

    Later on, during the DAF/LALD/TMWTGG-trilogy, even more "ridiculousness" was added by Guy Hamilton and the then young student writer Tom Mankiewicz: Mocking gay people (Mr Wint and Mr Kidd), letting women walk in bikinis as mere "objects" (Plenty O'Toole, Tiffany Case, Rosy Carver, Goodnight).

    So where Terence Young/Peter Hunt more or less set the standard for the "colder", edgier espionage thrillers (translating in my opinion Ian Fleming's vision much better), Guy Hamilton was creating the blueprints for the more funny, "popcorn" adventure/comedy action flicks.

    Because of that, and because right now we are used to a more Terence Young-esque era of "serious" Bond films (Sam Mendes, Marc Forster & Martin Campbell all made the Craig-Bond quite a cold and bruised assassin), I can understand why "Live And Let Die" currently is at last position.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    Posts: 9,117
    Birdleson wrote: »
    Birdleson wrote: »
    LIVE AND LET DIE is in my overall Top Ten (#7). Am I alone in this?

    Still, LALD is clearly on last position in this poll. We all think, on average, that LALD is the worst "Bond film with one particular actor in his first Bond outing".

    Yes, that's why I made the remark to begin with.

    For me, the Guy Hamilton/Richard Maibaum/Tom Mankiewicz Bond films (Goldfinger, Diamonds Are Forever, Live And Let Die & The Man With The Golden Gun) are among the funniest, but als cheesiest Bond films.

    Don't forget that actor Sean Connery himself was already very sceptical about the screenplay for "Goldfinger". During team meetings and calls back and forth, Connery put many notes/annotations on the drafts written by Maibaum. He thought "Goldfinger" was starting to become way too "frivoulous" and "jokey", losing the seriousness and cold-heartedness that was present in "Doctor No" and "From Russia With Love.

    I think Connery, already by then, wasn't heard properly. And you can see it in other aspects of the movie. Q had to become the "grumpy" guy, evoking more laughter. Pussy Galore wasn't at all a lesbian Roas Klebb-esque henchwoman. Nono, she had to be lured into "the normal straight world" with a well-lifted wonderbra.

    Later on, during the DAF/LALD/TMWTGG-trilogy, even more "ridiculousness" was added by Guy Hamilton and the then young student writer Tom Mankiewicz: Mocking gay people (Mr Wint and Mr Kidd), letting women walk in bikinis as mere "objects" (Plenty O'Toole, Tiffany Case, Rosy Carver, Goodnight).

    So where Terence Young/Peter Hunt more or less set the standard for the "colder", edgier espionage thrillers (translating in my opinion Ian Fleming's vision much better), Guy Hamilton was creating the blueprints for the more funny, "popcorn" adventure/comedy action flicks.

    Because of that, and because right now we are used to a more Terence Young-esque era of "serious" Bond films (Sam Mendes, Marc Forster & Martin Campbell all made the Craig-Bond quite a cold and bruised assassin), I can understand why "Live And Let Die" currently is at last position.

    These are mostly valid points (not sure about Mankiewicz 'mocking' gays with Wint & Kidd).

    Apart from anything else LALD isn't even the best Roger film and every other actor's film is their best or close to their best.

    DN - Classic 60's Bond, with the character still very close to Fleming's vision and a perfect performance by Connery. It actually gets better with age and looks ridiculously luscious on BluRay. Probably not quite in my personal top 10 but it really should be.

    OHMSS - Not much to be said here. Simply the bollocks. If it's not in your top 5 then you don't really know what you are talking about.

    TLD - First act is as perfect a realisation of Fleming as we've ever seen (save the pipeline scene), fantastic action and a superb performance by Dalton all add up to another locked in top 10 entry, probably top 5.

    GE - Bond was back!!! Not much Fleming but for an interpretation of the cinematic Bond it pretty much hits it out of the park. The odd cliche notwithstanding it ticks every box that was required to save the series and the PTS and tank chase instantly go down as two of the best action sequences of the series. Another top 10 for all but the most fundamentalist Brozza haters.

    CR - See OHMSS above.

    Is it any wonder then that a film featuring a far from his suave TSWLM-MR-FYEO-OP peak Rog, a rather dull villain caper, JW Pepper, Mrs Bell and an embarrassing rubber doll blowing up at the climax ranks below all the above?

    It's not really that LALD is that bad (although it's certainly bottom half) it's just that all the other first films are so good.
  • Yup, totally agree on your reply @The WizardOfIce
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