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http://www.cinemablend.com/new/R-Rated-Batman-V-Superman-Cut-May-Coming-Theaters-123667.html
1. Batman v superman is the highest grossing superman film of all time it also has now beat gaurdians of the galaxy and dead pool in terms of gross
2. People complain about the Martha ing but re watch winter soldier some time that fight ends the exact same way
3. I would actually hope this thread gets locked and my ben affleck the batman thread gets unlocked so we can move on to discussion of that film.
Firstly, put the gross into context. I guarantee you, nobody at WB are popping champagne bottles and I suspect they won't be doing so for a very long time. They may have grossed $783 million BUUUUUUT...they still haven't broken even yet, let alone made any profit. These current figures are just revenue.
Secondly, BvS isn't a superman film. Cavill doesn't even get top billing, it's Affleck that does and thus is just one of a couple of reasons why this isn't a superman film. Thirdly, this is a film that should have easily surpassed WB/DC's previous comic book movies and at worst should have been making TDK (which had no 3d and didn't have the as many market access as BvS)/TDKR numbers. Fourthly, financial comparisons to virtually comparative unknowns; movies of Marvel's D-list characters is laughable at best and is embarrassing to even bring up. It's the freakin' trinity; Batman. Superman. Wonder Woman all in one film for the first time ever. That's like comparing Ali, Tyson and Mayweather to Robert Easter and Michael Perez. Such comparisons are in no way helpful nor credible. BvS really is on life support and when Jungle Books hits...well, it's just going to switch the damn machine off.
It most certainly does not.
Yes it does
Captain America "we're friends till the end remember"
Bucky stops
See marvel did it first also for those who complain about Eisenberg's Luther yeah cause Iron Man 3's representation of the Mandaran was great. Actually most of the marvel villians have been either bad or really forgettable apart from Loki and I guess ultron (Bucky is more of an anti hero) I mean who was the villian of iron man or iron man 2 or gaurdians of the galaxy or heck even ant man
At least I remember and know dc's villains
But I am the one drinking the coolaide
I mean heck I can praise marvel when it's do they brought comic book films back blade saved the industry for crying out loud after DC destroyed it with Steel and Batman & Robin so don't ink I am some kind of wb stooge without the success of Blade (and eventually X-men and Spider-Man and a few other marvel films like ghost rider that did OK enough to keep comic book films going) there would be no argument to have there would be no iron man no avengers no Nolan batman films none of it... Marvel saved the day with blade. But marvel films aren't without their flaws and if someone cane explain to me how Iron Man 3 made a billion dollars I would love to hear it. Even RDJ was a wet blanket in that film...
Yet put marvel in front of it people will look past the garbage and see it a bunch of times I don't get it... Heck marvel could release batman v superman we the same plot actors and director and I honestly think because marvel's brand was on it then it would be over a billion dollars now...
Which is weird and kind of upsetting plus many fans here because it's a marvel film would think it was brilliant because of he subtle messages in each shot... Like I said I have realized that much like quantum of solace in 2008 I can't win and I will hang my head in shame that I love ah film so many hate it seems every even numbered year since 2008 there has been a film I loved that everyone else hated
2008 Quantum of Solace
2010 the A-team
2012. The Bourne Legacy
2014 Godzilla
2016 Batman v superman
Sigh oh well
Let me remind and reveal to you what actually took place. See, again this is where BvS shone a huge light on how terribly conceived and put together it was.
Cap has a job to do. He needs to insert the key cards in various slots to recalibrate the project insight hellicarriers. He encounters Bucky and the two fight. Cap knows he's fighting his friend but completing the mission is paramount and goes so far to even break a 1 or 2 of Bucky's limbs to ensure he succeeds. Once Cap completes the insertion of the keys he can focus his attention fully on Bucky. Now, this is the important part, Bucky is, was and has been brain washed and for the past 70 years has been programmed and reprogrammed to be a killer, who gets put into suspended animation and receives electro shock therapy regularly as part of the process of keeping him efficient and under mind control. His mind has been conditioned and programed to kill captain America. His mind is fucked and all over the place; meanwhile, Cap is doing what superman failed to do, which is to talk and reason with his opponent and Cap did this even while allowing Bucky to beat the crap out of him. Cap wanted to assure Bucky that they know each other, that they are friends and that he's not going to fight him. He threw down his shield for goodness sake to prove that he is not Bucky's enemy and allowed a mentally compromised Bucky to essentially beat him to death. As the hellicarrier is destroyed and Caps body plummets from the heavens into the sea, some of the words Cap said to him triggered latent memories in Bucky and as a result Bucky retrieves Cap's body from the sea and drags his body to shore and leaves him there.
Everything about the relationship dynamic to their confrontation and the culmination of it all is in no way the exact same scenario to that of what took place in BvS.
It's a decent film. So much unnecessary hate. Who cares about the 'figures', are any of us shareholders? Doubt it. As a film it's better than at least 50% of the Marvel output and Batfleck is better than the lot. Popping the champagne corks, no. End of days? Far from it. All this cock measuring is tiresome. I'm not a huge Snyder fan but I find both MoS and BvS underrated. They aren't masterpieces, but they're interesting and far more original than some of the cookie cutter entries Marvel have served up. I applaud them for not resorting to employing the safety nets we've recently seen with JP, SW et al.
As for Marvel, irrespective of what you or I think, they're doing something right which DC has failed to do for years aside from Nolan's bat films and that's to make entertaining movies for EVERYONE; not just for the GA and not deciding to screw over the fans just because fans are a minor contributor with the almighty dollar. They make their movies to entertain everyone. Marvel get their shit right in this regard and have done exceptionally well to be a big brand studio player in the movie business, which is why a film called BvS is being compared financially to GoTg because it sure as hell cant compare critically to anything else. Making a shit movie isn't the same as not being cookie cutter or being safe. It's making a shit movie. There's simply nothing there for this movie and whereas Marvel have made a few missteps and underwhelming films along the way, they at least are learning, improving and have been taking risks in their approach to make their films and have earned the trust of audiences and fans to believe in their brand and turn obscure C and D-list characters into big commercial properties; and a film with Batman and Superman and Wonder Woman together for the first time is the rubbish we ended up with and making headlines for all the wrong reasons?...WB/DC need to sort themselves out.
Even Man Of steel was received better and that too was a critical and financial disappointment for WB/DC. This is going to keep on happening when the same fundamental mistakes are being made. Snyder's not a good story teller, WB overspend on their films and where this film should have made over a $billion easily, it'll struggle to make $850million from it's theatrical run. If these films underperform critically and financially continuously and with the cost at which they're made then it's adios to these types of movies and characters.
There will always be comparisons between Marvel and DC films, it's always been like that even with the comics and when you have the director of BvS and one of it's actors unnecessarily and in no position to be talking smack about Marvel, it's not really a wonder as to why such behaviour isn't going anywhere any time soon within the fan community; meanwhile it was a DC fanboy who was reported to the FBI after making threats to kill audiences who attend screenings of cap 3 civil war. Now that's hate.
/rant
I believe BvS will be loved in time.
During the next phase of prosperity & relative peace.
But right now the world is in some bit of chaos... and to mix this kind of fantasy with our real world is incongruous at best and insulting at worst.
Back in '89 I thought the folks saying Batman was too dark were off their rockers- it was full of crazy humour, and it existed on its own terms.
The Schumocker films were silly junk (thou I still get a hearty LOL out of Batman & Robin as a 60's kind of thing).
If they wanted to do Superman in the real world, then he'd fry Batman with his heat vision, destroy all weapons on Earth & become the benign ruler of us all for however long he lives (which is considerable, to coin Goldfinger). :))
You reference Batman 89 existing on its own terms. BvS is the same. No pandering. I like that.
But as always, I feel fine with a friendly agree to disagree here.
As long as you don't make fun of Tim as Bond. Then it's WAR!!!
:ar!
Oh, Dalton, that low-quality hack, why the hell would they ever have cast him as Bond? God, just a mess...
And now the sarcasm is over.
I liked Jessie's portrayal of Luthor. Just enough unhinged and crazy but at the same time sly. Very well done.
Ben was amazing as Batman! In fact he carried both alter egos well. I felt his conflict and his passion to keep Superman in check.
Amy Adams as Lois didn't disappoint! I like her portrayal even more in this movie then the first one!
Henry as Superman was decent and I thought he brought more to the role this time. There is something cold about him but I am not sure if that's the actor or the way the character is written.
I will be purchasing a copy when it comes out. Loved this movie!
And of course, the Alfred we got was outstanding!
Was that ever a confirmed "We are hunting down Timothy Dalton to play Alfred" sort of thing, or just fanboy fancasting? Dalton would be an excellent Alfred, though.
The closest it came to reality was once Dalton himself was questioned about it and responded 'well we'll see!'
Damn tease!!