Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)

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  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Gerard wrote: »
    That's true in the comics
    But don't worry, he got better... again... and again

    Not necessarily so in the movie. After all, it's a different universe, and they might not follow the plot exactly.
    This is my assumption.
  • Seven_Point_Six_FiveSeven_Point_Six_Five Southern California
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    ^^ One of the reaction tweets posted in the MCU thread said that this film shared nothing with the comic but the title
    Germain Lussier ‏@GermainLussier 2m2 minutes ago
    @jeromybme Throw out the comic. Forget about it. This just takes the title. Totally different.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    When a Batman v Superman thread suddenly changes into a Marvel 'Civil War' discussion, you know where the real talent lies. Just sayin'.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    And here we havie it; BvS can't even beat a universally panned, low budget, R-rated Melissa McCarthy comedy. Zootopia came out three weeks before BvS, yet Zootopia still has enough box office pull to maintain the third place spot. BvS hould be killinng it as it's only competition are a month old family film and a disastrous R-rated comedy. The fact that BvS barely outperformed the former, and got beat by the latter is a joke.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Wow that is sad. Early estimates had them both clocking in around $21 million, so the fact that 'The Boss' managed to make a little more than $1 million than BvS did this weekend tells you all you need to know. I wonder what's going on behind the scenes over there...
  • edited April 2016 Posts: 6,432
    There is a possibility BvS R rated version may get a cinema release, not sure this has been mentioned.
    http://www.cinemablend.com/new/R-Rated-Batman-V-Superman-Cut-May-Coming-Theaters-123667.html
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    If someone had told me when I was a teen that someday there would be an 'R' rated Superman film, I'd have said they weren't firing on all thrusters. :-?
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    I don't think it's really fair to release the R-rated version to assist with the box office, since it's technically a different cut. If they really think ADDING to the running time is going to do nothing but help the movie itself, then they're much more clueless than I thought.
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    I like BvS, though it does smack of desperation if its the case.
  • RC7RC7
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    Finally saw BvS (having a baby really does impact on cinema trips doesn't it?). Disjointed, flawed, but nowhere near the mess some people are making out. There's some great stuff in there, plus Affleck is fantastic. He's more charismatic and layered than a single hero in the Marvel universe and he's sharing his debut. Impressive.
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    A few points

    1. Batman v superman is the highest grossing superman film of all time it also has now beat gaurdians of the galaxy and dead pool in terms of gross

    2. People complain about the Martha ing but re watch winter soldier some time that fight ends the exact same way

    3. I would actually hope this thread gets locked and my ben affleck the batman thread gets unlocked so we can move on to discussion of that film.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @Risico007, in regards to your first point, what does that comparison have to do with anything? Neither of those movies are DC-related, and both were the first installments in their respective series. BvS, which showcases the most popular superheroes of all time, has now made $15 million more at the box office than 'Deadpool,' while A.) Still not making money back (depending on the true budget, I've read fluctuations from $700 million - $930 million), and B.) 'Deadpool' was R-rated, a lesser-known superhero to general audiences, and had an overall budget of a few hundred million less. BvS should've hit $1 billion a good while back and it may not even manage that.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
    edited April 2016 Posts: 11,139
    Bernie Sanders on Seth Myers during a, "Ya Bernt" segment said in reference to the 1% "How is it possible that some of you are paying a lower tax rate than your secretaries? That makes less sense than the plot of 'Batman v Superman.'" :)) This is not the sort of publicity or resonating WB/DC were hoping for.
    Risico007 wrote: »
    A few points

    1. Batman v superman is the highest grossing superman film of all time it also has now beat gaurdians of the galaxy and dead pool in terms of gross

    Firstly, put the gross into context. I guarantee you, nobody at WB are popping champagne bottles and I suspect they won't be doing so for a very long time. They may have grossed $783 million BUUUUUUT...they still haven't broken even yet, let alone made any profit. These current figures are just revenue.
    Secondly, BvS isn't a superman film. Cavill doesn't even get top billing, it's Affleck that does and thus is just one of a couple of reasons why this isn't a superman film. Thirdly, this is a film that should have easily surpassed WB/DC's previous comic book movies and at worst should have been making TDK (which had no 3d and didn't have the as many market access as BvS)/TDKR numbers. Fourthly, financial comparisons to virtually comparative unknowns; movies of Marvel's D-list characters is laughable at best and is embarrassing to even bring up. It's the freakin' trinity; Batman. Superman. Wonder Woman all in one film for the first time ever. That's like comparing Ali, Tyson and Mayweather to Robert Easter and Michael Perez. Such comparisons are in no way helpful nor credible. BvS really is on life support and when Jungle Books hits...well, it's just going to switch the damn machine off.
    2. People complain about the Martha ing but re watch winter soldier some time that fight ends the exact same way

    It most certainly does not.



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    doubleoego wrote: »
    Bernie Sanders on Seth Myers during a, "Ya Bernt" segment said in reference to the 1% "How is it possible that some of you are paying a lower tax rate than your secretaries? That makes less sense than the plot of 'Batman v Superman.'" :)) This is not the sort of publicity or resonating WB/DC were hoping for.
    Risico007 wrote: »
    A few points

    1. Batman v superman is the highest grossing superman film of all time it also has now beat gaurdians of the galaxy and dead pool in terms of gross

    Firstly, put the gross into context. I guarantee you, nobody at WB are popping champagne bottles and I suspect they won't be doing so for a very long time. They may have grossed $783 million BUUUUUUT...they still haven't broken even yet, let alone made any profit. These current figures are just revenue.
    Secondly, BvS isn't a superman film. Cavill doesn't even get top billing, it's Affleck that does and thus is just one of a couple of reasons why this isn't a superman film. Thirdly, this is a film that should have easily surpassed WB/DC's previous comic book movies and at worst should have been making TDK (which had no 3d and didn't have the as many market access as BvS)/TDKR numbers. Fourthly, financial comparisons to virtually comparative unknowns; movies of Marvel's D-list characters is laughable at best and is embarrassing to even bring up. It's the freakin' trinity; Batman. Superman. Wonder Woman all in one film for the first time ever. That's like comparing Ali, Tyson and Mayweather to Robert Easter and Michael Perez. Such comparisons are in no way helpful nor credible.
    2. People complain about the Martha ing but re watch winter soldier some time that fight ends the exact same way

    It most certainly does not.




    Yes it does

    Captain America "we're friends till the end remember"
    Bucky stops

    See marvel did it first also for those who complain about Eisenberg's Luther yeah cause Iron Man 3's representation of the Mandaran was great. Actually most of the marvel villians have been either bad or really forgettable apart from Loki and I guess ultron (Bucky is more of an anti hero) I mean who was the villian of iron man or iron man 2 or gaurdians of the galaxy or heck even ant man

    At least I remember and know dc's villains


    But I am the one drinking the coolaide


    I mean heck I can praise marvel when it's do they brought comic book films back blade saved the industry for crying out loud after DC destroyed it with Steel and Batman & Robin so don't ink I am some kind of wb stooge without the success of Blade (and eventually X-men and Spider-Man and a few other marvel films like ghost rider that did OK enough to keep comic book films going) there would be no argument to have there would be no iron man no avengers no Nolan batman films none of it... Marvel saved the day with blade. But marvel films aren't without their flaws and if someone cane explain to me how Iron Man 3 made a billion dollars I would love to hear it. Even RDJ was a wet blanket in that film...

    Yet put marvel in front of it people will look past the garbage and see it a bunch of times I don't get it... Heck marvel could release batman v superman we the same plot actors and director and I honestly think because marvel's brand was on it then it would be over a billion dollars now...

    Which is weird and kind of upsetting plus many fans here because it's a marvel film would think it was brilliant because of he subtle messages in each shot... Like I said I have realized that much like quantum of solace in 2008 I can't win and I will hang my head in shame that I love ah film so many hate it seems every even numbered year since 2008 there has been a film I loved that everyone else hated

    2008 Quantum of Solace
    2010 the A-team
    2012. The Bourne Legacy
    2014 Godzilla
    2016 Batman v superman

    Sigh oh well
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    QoS, Godzilla and BvS all good films IMO.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @Risico007, it's not too often that you and I agree, but damn, if I don't love QoS and 'The A-Team.' Had this weird obsession with the latter one summer, ended up watching it once a day for a week straight.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Risico007 wrote: »


    Yes it does

    Captain America "we're friends till the end remember"
    Bucky stops

    Let me remind and reveal to you what actually took place. See, again this is where BvS shone a huge light on how terribly conceived and put together it was.

    Cap has a job to do. He needs to insert the key cards in various slots to recalibrate the project insight hellicarriers. He encounters Bucky and the two fight. Cap knows he's fighting his friend but completing the mission is paramount and goes so far to even break a 1 or 2 of Bucky's limbs to ensure he succeeds. Once Cap completes the insertion of the keys he can focus his attention fully on Bucky. Now, this is the important part, Bucky is, was and has been brain washed and for the past 70 years has been programmed and reprogrammed to be a killer, who gets put into suspended animation and receives electro shock therapy regularly as part of the process of keeping him efficient and under mind control. His mind has been conditioned and programed to kill captain America. His mind is fucked and all over the place; meanwhile, Cap is doing what superman failed to do, which is to talk and reason with his opponent and Cap did this even while allowing Bucky to beat the crap out of him. Cap wanted to assure Bucky that they know each other, that they are friends and that he's not going to fight him. He threw down his shield for goodness sake to prove that he is not Bucky's enemy and allowed a mentally compromised Bucky to essentially beat him to death. As the hellicarrier is destroyed and Caps body plummets from the heavens into the sea, some of the words Cap said to him triggered latent memories in Bucky and as a result Bucky retrieves Cap's body from the sea and drags his body to shore and leaves him there.

    Everything about the relationship dynamic to their confrontation and the culmination of it all is in no way the exact same scenario to that of what took place in BvS.
  • RC7RC7
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    doubleoego wrote: »
    Bernie Sanders on Seth Myers during a, "Ya Bernt" segment said in reference to the 1% "How is it possible that some of you are paying a lower tax rate than your secretaries? That makes less sense than the plot of 'Batman v Superman.'" :)) This is not the sort of publicity or resonating WB/DC were hoping for.
    Risico007 wrote: »
    A few points

    1. Batman v superman is the highest grossing superman film of all time it also has now beat gaurdians of the galaxy and dead pool in terms of gross

    Firstly, put the gross into context. I guarantee you, nobody at WB are popping champagne bottles and I suspect they won't be doing so for a very long time. They may have grossed $783 million BUUUUUUT...they still haven't broken even yet, let alone made any profit. These current figures are just revenue.
    Secondly, BvS isn't a superman film. Cavill doesn't even get top billing, it's Affleck that does and thus is just one of a couple of reasons why this isn't a superman film. Thirdly, this is a film that should have easily surpassed WB/DC's previous comic book movies and at worst should have been making TDK (which had no 3d and didn't have the as many market access as BvS)/TDKR numbers. Fourthly, financial comparisons to virtually comparative unknowns; movies of Marvel's D-list characters is laughable at best and is embarrassing to even bring up. It's the freakin' trinity; Batman. Superman. Wonder Woman all in one film for the first time ever. That's like comparing Ali, Tyson and Mayweather to Robert Easter and Michael Perez. Such comparisons are in no way helpful nor credible.
    2. People complain about the Martha ing but re watch winter soldier some time that fight ends the exact same way

    It most certainly does not.



    It's a decent film. So much unnecessary hate. Who cares about the 'figures', are any of us shareholders? Doubt it. As a film it's better than at least 50% of the Marvel output and Batfleck is better than the lot. Popping the champagne corks, no. End of days? Far from it. All this cock measuring is tiresome. I'm not a huge Snyder fan but I find both MoS and BvS underrated. They aren't masterpieces, but they're interesting and far more original than some of the cookie cutter entries Marvel have served up. I applaud them for not resorting to employing the safety nets we've recently seen with JP, SW et al.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    I don't think it's hate I think it's simply mass monumental disappointment and people are expressing themselves accordingly. People and fans were expecting something big. The film was being promoted as "a game changer" and special and at face value it's easy to see why. The film was delayed by a year to make it "better" and the novelty of seeing the trinity on screen for the first time as a gateway to a bigger universe and more films from the DC stable is exciting and something fans have longed for for decades. This is an era in which cinema screens aren't dominated by b-movie scifi flicks, westerns or romanticised cold war thrillers. This is an era where the fantasy of comics are able to be brought to life, fulfilling life long dreams of fans who believed these films could never see the light of day on the big screen but what we got was a steaming pile of hot mess plain and simple. WB/DC fucked up and fucked up hard and it's not about having shares in the company, it's about the fact that WB spend far too much money on most of their films in the first place, which has resulted in a string of flops. When such though processes are applied to the making of comic book movies of beloved and iconic characters from their stable and the films turn out to be shit and aren't profitable, it becomes a problem and stands to reason that fans do become majorly upset. I'm no a stakeholder in EoN productions or at MGM but when Bond movies are terrible I for one get pissed and don't settle to just shrug my shoulders and it's obviously the same for people here as evidenced by the bulk of what gets discussed around here in so many threads. WB/DC messed up and they knew it from ages ago, which is why they've spent the better part of their post production and upon the film's release engaging in marketing manipulation and spin. There's a reason why this film was so front loaded and what's worse, BvS had NO competition and it still underperformed when compared against films who made similar amounts or more but faced competition and had staggered releases.

    As for Marvel, irrespective of what you or I think, they're doing something right which DC has failed to do for years aside from Nolan's bat films and that's to make entertaining movies for EVERYONE; not just for the GA and not deciding to screw over the fans just because fans are a minor contributor with the almighty dollar. They make their movies to entertain everyone. Marvel get their shit right in this regard and have done exceptionally well to be a big brand studio player in the movie business, which is why a film called BvS is being compared financially to GoTg because it sure as hell cant compare critically to anything else. Making a shit movie isn't the same as not being cookie cutter or being safe. It's making a shit movie. There's simply nothing there for this movie and whereas Marvel have made a few missteps and underwhelming films along the way, they at least are learning, improving and have been taking risks in their approach to make their films and have earned the trust of audiences and fans to believe in their brand and turn obscure C and D-list characters into big commercial properties; and a film with Batman and Superman and Wonder Woman together for the first time is the rubbish we ended up with and making headlines for all the wrong reasons?...WB/DC need to sort themselves out.
    Even Man Of steel was received better and that too was a critical and financial disappointment for WB/DC. This is going to keep on happening when the same fundamental mistakes are being made. Snyder's not a good story teller, WB overspend on their films and where this film should have made over a $billion easily, it'll struggle to make $850million from it's theatrical run. If these films underperform critically and financially continuously and with the cost at which they're made then it's adios to these types of movies and characters.
    There will always be comparisons between Marvel and DC films, it's always been like that even with the comics and when you have the director of BvS and one of it's actors unnecessarily and in no position to be talking smack about Marvel, it's not really a wonder as to why such behaviour isn't going anywhere any time soon within the fan community; meanwhile it was a DC fanboy who was reported to the FBI after making threats to kill audiences who attend screenings of cap 3 civil war. Now that's hate.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Snyder wanted to place Superman, Batman & Wonder Woman smack dab into our literal reality, as if you could do that with such powerful & fanciful characters. Marvel Comics realized back in the day that if you tried to do that, the characters HAD to have limits. DC/WB need to LEARN to set their movies on a fantasy Earth, where Metropolis, Gotham & Paradise Island CAN exist. And where collateral damage is not a factor of super-beings that can destroy worlds fighting ON it. Donner & Co KNEW this, and that's WHY Superman: The Movie was such a success. Burton & Nolan's Batman worked for the same reason. Bringing the bent Watchmen mentality (which worked perfectly for that type of hard social commentary type of twist on the genre) to the DC cinematic 'Verse will be the death of the WB brand in live action. They'd better learn that fast before another couple of under-performing 300 million dollar disappointments.
    /rant
  • Posts: 4,813
    Here's why I don't tend to complain about my superhero movies...

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    I believe BvS will be loved in time.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    edited April 2016 Posts: 17,789
    I believe BvS will be loved in time.
    I'm sure it will.
    During the next phase of prosperity & relative peace.
    But right now the world is in some bit of chaos... and to mix this kind of fantasy with our real world is incongruous at best and insulting at worst.
    Back in '89 I thought the folks saying Batman was too dark were off their rockers- it was full of crazy humour, and it existed on its own terms.
    The Schumocker films were silly junk (thou I still get a hearty LOL out of Batman & Robin as a 60's kind of thing).
    If they wanted to do Superman in the real world, then he'd fry Batman with his heat vision, destroy all weapons on Earth & become the benign ruler of us all for however long he lives (which is considerable, to coin Goldfinger). :))
  • RC7RC7
    edited April 2016 Posts: 10,512
    chrisisall wrote: »
    I believe BvS will be loved in time.
    I'm sure it will.
    During the next phase of prosperity & relative peace.
    But right now the world is in some bit of chaos... and to mix this kind of fantasy with our real world is incongruous at best and insulting at worst.
    Back in '89 I thought the folks saying Batman was too dark were off their rockers- it was full of crazy humour, and it existed on its own terms.
    The Schumocker films were silly junk (thou I still get a hearty LOL out of Batman & Robin as a 60's kind of thing).
    If they wanted to do Superman in the real world, then he'd fry Batman with his heat vision, destroy all weapons on Earth & become the benign ruler of us all for however long he lives (which is considerable, to coin Goldfinger). :))

    You reference Batman 89 existing on its own terms. BvS is the same. No pandering. I like that.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    RC7 wrote: »
    You reference Batman 89 existing on its own terms. BvS is the same. No pandering. I like that.
    Not really IMO; it's trying to impose a real world mentality (along with its consequences) on a strictly fantasy construct.
    But as always, I feel fine with a friendly agree to disagree here.
    As long as you don't make fun of Tim as Bond. Then it's WAR!!!
    :ar!
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    chrisisall wrote: »
    RC7 wrote: »
    You reference Batman 89 existing on its own terms. BvS is the same. No pandering. I like that.
    Not really IMO; it's trying to impose a real world mentality (along with its consequences) on a strictly fantasy construct.
    But as always, I feel fine with a friendly agree to disagree here.
    As long as you don't make fun of Tim as Bond. Then it's WAR!!!
    :ar!

    Oh, Dalton, that low-quality hack, why the hell would they ever have cast him as Bond? God, just a mess...

    And now the sarcasm is over.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    Wasn't Dalton rumoured to be cast as Alfred a while ago when BvS was still in development?
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    I went into this film thinking I wouldn't like it. Turns out I loved it. Now by no means am I a comic book geek. Some of the stuff quoted in this thread I have no idea about. The film worked for me on a lot of levels.

    I liked Jessie's portrayal of Luthor. Just enough unhinged and crazy but at the same time sly. Very well done.

    Ben was amazing as Batman! In fact he carried both alter egos well. I felt his conflict and his passion to keep Superman in check.

    Amy Adams as Lois didn't disappoint! I like her portrayal even more in this movie then the first one!

    Henry as Superman was decent and I thought he brought more to the role this time. There is something cold about him but I am not sure if that's the actor or the way the character is written.

    I will be purchasing a copy when it comes out. Loved this movie!
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    Wasn't Dalton rumoured to be cast as Alfred a while ago when BvS was still in development?
    yeah, I was really sorry to not see that panned out- but we did get a few other Bond nods in the movie.
    And of course, the Alfred we got was outstanding!

  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    Wasn't Dalton rumoured to be cast as Alfred a while ago when BvS was still in development?
    yeah, I was really sorry to not see that panned out- but we did get a few other Bond nods in the movie.
    And of course, the Alfred we got was outstanding!

    Was that ever a confirmed "We are hunting down Timothy Dalton to play Alfred" sort of thing, or just fanboy fancasting? Dalton would be an excellent Alfred, though.
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    I think it was something someone started, but gained footing once everyone realized how perfect that would have been!
    The closest it came to reality was once Dalton himself was questioned about it and responded 'well we'll see!'
    Damn tease!!
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