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As for my second viewing, I guess I enjoyed a bit more than the first, but I can't call it good, just ok. The pacing wasn't as much as an issue since I knew what was coming up; mind you, it still didn't flow any better and some scenes still felt out of place or should have been cut. The story is still a big problem. Not much explain, how the characters acted or knew certain things, it's like "this is how it is, go with it!" X( The action was kinda meh. The desert fight and car chase felt slow and not as exciting especially the car chase where I kept thinking the TDK's chase sequence which was so much better and the music was so good. The BvS sight started off good, but then went downhill especially with how the fight ended - didn't like how it started either *sigh*. The fight with the creature (I'll call it that cause that wasn't Doomsday) was all right - couldn't really see what was going on, and so much CG stuff that it doesn't seem real. However, this fight shouldn't have happened, save it for another movie. Stuff shoehorned in. The more I talk about it the more frustrated I am with this movie as I wanted it to be soooo good. Also, the scene with Bruce driving through Metropolis at the start and Superman showing up at the Capitol- I did feel something in those scenes; however, I wish I was more emotionally invested/care during the rest of the movie.
On the plus side, my relatives did enjoy the movie. They were confused on some bits and one of them didn't like Lex, felt more like the Joker to him, but otherwise they had a good time.
Three years ago, in Singapore, 23 year old Batman bin Suparman was arrested for drugs.
The name means Batman, son of Superman.
Please keep quiet about it. What happens on the internet, stays on the internet, right?
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BATMAN V SUPERMAN just can't find its footing--falling 61% in its 4th weekend w/ $9M, $311M total.
It's going to be quite interesting to see what the reception for Suicide Squad and Wonder Woman will be like and if that changes the general impression of the DCEU. WB/DC also have me intrigued in how much they'll impose a different direction for Justice League with Snyder still attached.
But if you think it can't get worse, wait until Justice League hits the theaters. I don't believe JL will find a big audience after BvS. Faith is lost, trust is gone, loyalty destroyed.
Only hardcore-fans (like I) will go and watch it.
Whats it gonna take for you guys to realize. They dropped the ball twice & the second time had Batman & Superman & couldnt make a billon.
The film is just too poor of quality. People arent gonna go see that no matter what character you shoehorn in.
What the Batman solo film has in its favor is new blood, especially with the major control being in the hands of Ben, who is also respected at WB and won't be run over when making creative decisions that he feels are best for the character and film. At the very least, we won't ever get a style over substance product with him like we've often gotten with Snyder. That alone is a massive weight lifting off of my expectations.
1. I still don't get how people think BVS is the worst movie in comic book movie history. Sorry Brady I respect you and I even would love to buy you a beer sometime (double ego as well) and sit down and talk about Batman and why the more brutal batman we got makes sense. I can understand people not liking it but worst really at least the characters on film are somewhat similar to their comic book counterparts versus say the mandarain or cat woman from 2004's cat woman or let's by Shaq a pool I mean Steel.
2. My biggest fear has been realized and I can now gaurentee that in order to make a billion and bring the batman franchise "back" they will force Affleck to use the Joker giving us now our 5th batman versus joker story in cinema (batman 1966 Batman 1989 The dark knight and sucide squad) and before people say no that is no gaurentee of a billion.... Considering how hyped people are over Leto's joker and how much the loved Affleck's batman it's s safe bet that as long as the story is good it will make a billion shame as I really would of loved to have seen Mad Hatter or Black Mask or Hush (strange the KGBeast got his big screen debut before Black Mask or Hush especially considering that if instead of Lex Luthor Eisenberg was Dr. Thomas Elliot the film could of been a lot more interesting... But oh well) but now I can call it the next film will be a batman versus joker story which maybe they will take elements from death in the family the killing joke and under the red hood to give us an interesting storyline (heck make it really crazy and have Babs be the red hood resentful of Bruce letting Todd die and her be wounded that would catch so many people off guard and be actually kind of cool and not bring up winter soldier comparisons)
3 I loved the film and I will never get the hate and I am happy Snyder will at least direct justice league part 1. I feel bad for the guy as literally he did everything he could to make sure he still had his building destruction porn but that no innocent lives would be hurt (he even has Bruce say "this part of the docks is completely abanadonded" it's like he might as well of stopped the film and said see guys no one will be hurt!!!!!!! Now can I please destroy a bunch of buildings in really cool ways please.....) but still it wasn't enough yet when marvel does the same thing hooray it's marvel sigh
4. Civil war will make a billion dollars and DC lost I said it now please double ego don't rub it in my face too much ok it's kind of sad that marvel constantly wins over DC and yet some of their films are sub par and really they have impressed me since The Winter Soldier (and before that it was the Avengers I didn't even bother to check out Thor Dark world) but yes marvel won so let's not run it in my face thanks
What's annoying and frustrating is, WB/DC are in a fortunate position to have all the DC characters and they've seen success when film makers (Donner/Nolan) put the work in and treat the material with care and respect as opposed to trying to make a quick cash grab because they want a piece of the pie that the competition are getting(Fox/Marvel Studios). WB/DC aren't interested in doing what they SHOULD be doing and that is to make movies with mass appeal, that's what blockbuster movies are but when Snyder insults audiences by stating they're not smart enough to understand his movies or are making these movies for "the fans", that's a clear sign he needs to be kept far away from these characters as possible. You do NOT spend circa $400million to make a movie just for "the fans" and even then, Snyder still managed to piss many fans off because the characterisation of the characters were a galactic mile off. You cut corners and this is the sort of crap that happens.
Snyder is a weak film maker through and through. A film is more than just about lush visuals. Content, context and conveyance are key elements to realising a worthwhile story.
You claim that Marvel get away with destruction and the ramifications that come with it. That's not true. From the very start, Marvel Studio's first film (and I addressed this in detail some pages back) Iron Man dealt with ramifications of their actions and accountability. Tony Stark comes back from being held captive and gives a speech about how he had become part of a system that caused destruction and ruined lives and that there was zero accountability for what was going on. He no longer wanted to be a part of it so he decided on the spot to announce that Stark Industries will shut down it's weapons manufacturing division. That's just one example. There are many examples of trying to protect people and minimising collateral damage throughout the movies but they're interwoven seamlessly in a way that it's so easy to miss because the absent mindedness of allowing for mass wanton destruction is nowhere near as apparent as what Snyder's given us in MoS and BvS.
At the end of the day, when a movie that has batman, superman and wonder woman feature together for the first time is critically panned by audiences and critics the world over, what chance is there for other DC characters when the same helmsman is still working on projects to bring them to the screen. People have a right to be upset, angry, pessimistic and crestfallen when this nonsense is going on.
The reality of this whole debacle comes down to this; BvS is a movie that was aiming for and needed to make well over $Billion at the BO so that the studio execs could deliver on a promise made to stock holders who were sold on the premise of DCEU and making Avengers level of money.
Investors could clearly see what was happening over at Disney, they understandably thought they could get in on that party and that WB as a whole would bump themselves up to be worth more then Disney/Marvel Studios after this one movie. However, this movie doesn't exist in isolation. Execs, investors etc all bet on BvS as something that would skyrocket the whole company. Now, tell me, what do you think the scenario is when the end of fiscal comes about and that skyrocketing trajectory failed?
Do some investigating and see how big WB is. See how much money these comic book movies need to make and turn a profit for the amassed revenue to impact WB's bottom line. $40million profit might as essentially be considered a rounding error. It has to at least be 10 times that amount for the investors to accept and acknowledge BvS's positive impact. BvS really needed Avengers level of money. Period. Full Stop. There's no 2 ways about it. Turning a profit isn't enough in a stock/stake-driven arena. This is something you and others need to learn and be aware of. I can tell you right now that BvS will lead to a whole lot of stock dropping significantly when this financial catastrophe gets overlapped into another subpar year as opposed to financials coming out with a significant gain in profits thanks to BvS.
Ultimately, that is what's on the line which is why the Justice League movie is moving forward (which has nothing to do with BvS being a success financially) and why investors will accept and swallow whatever bullshit execs tell them. They have no other options because they're not going to make a loss by underselling their stock in a fantasy they invested in. All of this has repercussions that affect the company across the board which as stated above will have effects on the production of other comic book properties in WB's stable.
BvS is far away from being the worst comic book movie ever.
There is still hope that at least the senseless plot hopping during the first 40 minutes will be fixed with the Ultimate Cut. Maybe the movie overall will be much more enjoyable once Snyder has "restored" it to its original length.
Style over substance though is a fact with BvS. That's a shame.
As a huge Batman and DC comics fan in general it hurts me very much what has happened with BvS.
I'm sad, angry and depressed, not resigned yet, but that may come with the JL movie.
BvS was supposed to be the gift from Heaven to all DC fans. That's why so many people are so disappointed with the result.
The movie is at 7.2 on Imdb and has a 69% audience rating at RT. That sounds about right and fair.
It's easy to get caught up in criticising and complaining. It happens to me as well, but not because I find BvS to be the worst ever, but because DC comics and Batman especially are so dear to my heart and I live and breathe for DC comics and the movies and tv shows that get made.
And BvS just hit me brutally in the face when I smiled at it and wanted to embrace it. I feel betrayed.
I would agree with this. The last two Marvel entries to really impress me were Avengers & Winter Soldier. The others weren't bad, but were decidely average imho. I'm hoping for great things from Civil War, but again am trying to keep expectations in check to avoid disappointment.
For anyone curious, it does indeed get better with the next viewing (and this is coming from a guy who loved it the first time)
I would say the majority are subpar to be honest. Most are completely watchable, but in terms of genuinely good entries I still think they're a little thin on the ground. For me Iron Man, Guardians and Winter Soldier are those films. I can accept Avengers is a well crafted movie and wielding that many characters effectively is quite a feat, but I don't find it as engaging as those mentioned above. Ultron was a wasted opportunity, Iron Man 2 and First Avenger are woeful, while the two Thor movies and Ant Man are passable popcorn fare. For me, Suicide Squad looks to be the most enthralling movie from either stable this year. I'm pretty sure Civil War will kick ass, but the Suicide Squad aesthetic is so much more appealing to my sensibilities.
Bit punk are you?
Not particularly, but the visuals are up my street. I find the Marvel films (bar GOTG) pretty bland, aesthetically - a little bit sanitized and slick, where this delivers a little more punch. If the story isn't up to scratch that kinda goes out of the window, but if it's as unique and appealing as the look then I will be very happy.
Yeah, that's one thing DC has over Marvel, they know how to make shit look whack.
http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice/feature/a790384/batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice-amazing-behind-the-scenes-secrets-from-the-tech-manual/
By the way, Robin's main weapon was a freaking sythe/axe love child?! So, this Batman was okay with killing long before Jason bit it, then? What does that say for any of his motivations, then?
I've said pretty much this same thing to some friends who I've basically been venting to about the movie lately (the poor things).
In every decision he makes, Snyder acts with either the mind of a five-year-old, or a teenager. In decisions involving the mindset of the former, anything that looks "narly," "neato" or "supah cool" is a must have, if only because it's nice to stare at, and not for any substantial or practical importance. Regarding the latter mindset, when answering any question on his directorial process in interviews, Snyder will respond with a fury of "likes" (using them like a comma), and he will stop in his speech to think so long about his rather sparse and rambling answers that one begins to wonder if he was ever really on set and engaged in this movie beyond blowing things up and using CGI to create more building destructo-porn.
Christ almighty...
As much as I despise Michael Bay, at least he pretends like he has a vision beyond gratuitous cleavage and rear end shots and scenes of dramatic carnage with punchy robots. With Snyder's efforts, it sometimes feels like what would result if a highly visually imaginative and artistic preschooler was handed a director's megaphone and told to "play," forgetting that they haven't gained any knowledge of how to tell a compelling story beyond shooting cool stuff doing cool things. Of course, my apologies must go out to all the preschoolers in the world who in all likelihood could compose a better story with better character motivations than what we got in BvS.
Did we see Robin kill no ....
Like I said I am fine with a more Bondian Batman