Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)

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  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    WB/DC have done themselves a massive disservice by releasing their movie up against Cap 3. Winter Soldier is a magnificent movie and with the 3rd film coming out after the behemoth that is Avengers 2, batman/superman will suffer.
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    I don't think that design is the one they are going with, or that it is even genuine. That thing would not get Kevin Smith excited; it's too overdone and nothing special. The suit they are going with must be something else entirely different. I'm still hoping it's the classic black and gray suit which we have yet to see on the big screen.

    What works on the comic book page might not work on screen. I think they should've stuck with black. A grey suit might look silly when viewed on film.

    Changing topics, now it's officially been announced that Captain America 3 is Marvel's May 6th 2016 release and will go head-to-head with Batman vs. Superman, which would you all see first? For me the choice is clearly Cap 3. Captain America: The Winter Soldier is the best popcorn action film I've seen since Skyfall. I couldn't be happier. Meanwhile I have serious doubts over Batman Vs. Superman. Either way I'm pretty sure DC will blink first and yet again move their release date. They've got alot more to lose than Marvel.

    I'd see Batman vs. Superman (or whatever it'll be called) first, any day of the week. Batman defeats all.

    As big a deal as Batman vs. Superman is you have to also look at the people behind the camera. Marvel retained the Russo's and their crew to helm Cap 3. As I said I loved CA:TWS and I have the faith the same group of people will bring us an equally awesome sequel. Meanwhile the same group of people who gave us the painfully disappointing Man of Steal is bringing us Batman vs. Superman. Minus their all-star player in Christopher Nolan who has said he will not be producing this time around. That and the film's cast have greatly lowered my expectations. At the end of the day Marvel knows what it's doing. I'm not sure I can say the same for DC.

    No, you think that MoS was disappointing. I appreciate your effort, but I can and will speak for myself. While a lot of people have been moping and whining about the upcoming Batman and Superman film I am staying positive as can be. I think Ben will do great, Eisenberg will surprise a lot of dissenters, and the film itself will be an interesting take on the classic Batman and Superman dynamic/face-off, whichever angle they choose to go with. Being negative before you are seen anything at all is just daft.

    Ofcourse it's my opinion. This all relative in the end but it's not just me. With all due respect Man of Steel was not particularly well received by the masses. It got very mixed reviews and while it's 687 million dollar gross was nothing to sneeze at, given it's massive budget and huge amount of hype, I'm sure Warner Bros. was hoping for more. I remember before it's release people were acting like it was a given that MOS would join the billion dollar club. It didn't even come close.

    Anyway my point is May 6th 2016 is a battle DC has to win if it hopes to successfully establish a cinematic universe while Marvel's track record is so strong it can take one for the team and remain relatively unscathed. If the two go head-to-head yes Batman vs. Superman will probably win but at the same time it will lose millions of dollars thanks to the star-spangled man with the plan. Mark my words, Batman vs. Superman's release date will change again.
    doubleoego wrote:
    WB/DC have done themselves a massive disservice by releasing their movie up against Cap 3. Winter Soldier is a magnificent movie and with the 3rd film coming out after the behemoth that is Avengers 2, batman/superman will suffer.

    I forgot to even take that into account. Cap 3 will be following Avengers 2. And we all saw how an Avengers film can spike people's interests in Marvel's solo efforts, as evidenced by Iron Man 3 taking in $1.2 billion.
  • RC7RC7
    edited April 2014 Posts: 10,512
    Batman and Superman piss on Marvel. I'm a fan of the Marvel films, I thought CAP 2 was superb, but good film or bad film, Bats and Supes are the pinnacle.
  • QsAssistantQsAssistant All those moments lost in time... like tears in rain
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    That thing would not get Kevin Smith excited; it's too overdone and nothing special. The suit they are going with must be something else entirely different. I'm still hoping it's the classic black and gray suit which we have yet to see on the big screen.

    I've been wanting to see the classic black and gray suit for awhile, minus the black underwear. I think it would look awesome on the big screen, if done right.
    I want to see something like this.
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    RC7 wrote:
    Batman and Superman piss on Marvel. I'm a fan of the Marvel films, I thought CAP 2 was superb, but good film or bad film, Bats and Supes are the pinnacle.

    You might be surprised. If someone told me a few years ago that an Iron Man film would gross nearly double that of a Superman film in the same summer I'd laugh. Yet Iron Man 3's $1.2 billion gross was the one pissing on Man of Steel's $687 million gross. Never underestimate the Marvel brand.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    RC7 wrote:
    Batman and Superman piss on Marvel. I'm a fan of the Marvel films, I thought CAP 2 was superb, but good film or bad film, Bats and Supes are the pinnacle.

    Yes, I think seeing Batman AND Superman together on the big screen will have more of an impact than watching a guy in a blue, red and white suit for the fourth time around. And again, it's Batman.
  • edited April 2014 Posts: 1,778
    RC7 wrote:
    Batman and Superman piss on Marvel. I'm a fan of the Marvel films, I thought CAP 2 was superb, but good film or bad film, Bats and Supes are the pinnacle.

    Yes, I think seeing Batman AND Superman together on the big screen will have more of an impact than watching a guy in a blue, red and white suit for the fourth time around. And again, it's Batman.

    5th time around actually. And see above. The Marvel cinematic brand is bigger than Batman.
  • RC7RC7
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    RC7 wrote:
    Batman and Superman piss on Marvel. I'm a fan of the Marvel films, I thought CAP 2 was superb, but good film or bad film, Bats and Supes are the pinnacle.

    Yes, I think seeing Batman AND Superman together on the big screen will have more of an impact than watching a guy in a blue, red and white suit for the fourth time around. And again, it's Batman.

    5th time around actually. And see above. The Marvel cinematic brand is bigger than Batman.

    Brands are irrelevant to me. I don't live my life by brands. I enjoy Batman and Superman stories. If I cared solely about BO I'd have shunned Bond long ago. Happy to go against the grain if that's what it takes.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    edited April 2014 Posts: 28,694
    RC7 wrote:
    Batman and Superman piss on Marvel. I'm a fan of the Marvel films, I thought CAP 2 was superb, but good film or bad film, Bats and Supes are the pinnacle.

    Yes, I think seeing Batman AND Superman together on the big screen will have more of an impact than watching a guy in a blue, red and white suit for the fourth time around. And again, it's Batman.

    5th time around actually. And see above. The Marvel cinematic brand is bigger than Batman.

    Oh yes, how could I forget about the yet to happen Avengers 2, the comic book film to end all comic book films. :))
    RC7 wrote:
    Batman and Superman piss on Marvel. I'm a fan of the Marvel films, I thought CAP 2 was superb, but good film or bad film, Bats and Supes are the pinnacle.

    Yes, I think seeing Batman AND Superman together on the big screen will have more of an impact than watching a guy in a blue, red and white suit for the fourth time around. And again, it's Batman.

    5th time around actually. And see above. The Marvel cinematic brand is bigger than Batman.
    Nothing is bigger than Batman.

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    Nothing is bigger than Batman.
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    Except this...



    ;-)
  • RC7RC7
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    To reiterate, Batman shits on everything.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    I'll skip it. Cap 3 will get my money.
  • RC7RC7
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    Murdock wrote:
    I'll skip it. Cap 3 will get my money.

    You could watch both.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    RC7 wrote:
    Murdock wrote:
    I'll skip it. Cap 3 will get my money.

    You could watch both.

    Well considering I strongly disliked Man Of Steel, It's not worth my time. I have The Dark Knight returns for my Bat vs Sups needs.
  • RC7RC7
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    Murdock wrote:
    RC7 wrote:
    Murdock wrote:
    I'll skip it. Cap 3 will get my money.

    You could watch both.

    Well considering I strongly disliked Man Of Steel, It's not worth my time. I have The Dark Knight returns for my Bat vs Sups needs.

    Surely not going to break the bank, though?
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    RC7 wrote:
    Murdock wrote:
    RC7 wrote:
    Murdock wrote:
    I'll skip it. Cap 3 will get my money.

    You could watch both.

    Well considering I strongly disliked Man Of Steel, It's not worth my time. I have The Dark Knight returns for my Bat vs Sups needs.

    Surely not going to break the bank, though?

    Why would I watch something I have no interest in? IMO Snyder tried too hard to Make Superman like Nolan's Batman and ended up making some generic gritty origin story with a half hour of disaster porn for the climax. Is that what Superman is supposed to be? Hell no. I don't care if it's the "Greatest pairing ever." Snyder's going to F up Batman just like he did superman.
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    If we take a look at the box office numbers of the two, Marvel is far out-grossing DC, and will probably continue to do so, since they're nine films in to their cinematic universe, and DC has yet to truly establish one. Hell, DC Animated is already doing their take on a cinematic universe, well before they pull a live-action one out of their asses.

    If we look at the quality of the films, again, Marvel's doing way better. Iron Man, the Hulk, Thor and Captain America all had good origin films, that had no more footage than they needed to establish their characters, while Man of Steel is a nearly three hour film, with poor flashback scene's to Clark's childhood, that doesn't really establish Superman as being anything other than "that guy in blue tights". Now, obviously, this is all my opinion, and each and every one of you is welcome to call me a stupid son of a b*tch, do you choose, but I'm certain there's a pretty good amount of people who will agree with me.

    Now let's take a look at the acting/casting. Robert Downey Jr. made a perfect Tony Stark, Edward Norton and Mark Ruffalo have both produced great Bruce Banner, Chris Hemsworth is awesome as Thor, and so forth, and so on... Marvel hasn't really made a bad casting decision yet, save maybe for Rebecca Hall as Maya Hansen in Iron Man 3, she wasn't exactly spectacular. Even when they've had to change cast members, they went from great actors to great actors. DC on the other hand... well... most of the cast of Man of Steel was largely forgettable. Henry Cavil didn't do a horrible job, and Kevin Costner was great as Jonathon Kent, as was Russell Crowe as Jor-El, but Laurence Fishburne was pretty under-used as Perry Not-So-White (simply a joke, nothing racist implied). I can't even remember who played Lois Lane, but she wasn't exactly all that good. Christopher Meloni was also under-used, for such a good actor. Zod just wasn't Zod to me, Terrance Stamp pretty much ruled that role. Considering all the good actors in Man of Steel, it should have been a lot better. Watching those opening scenes on Krypton made me lust for a film based around Jor-El, because he would have lived to see Krypton's destruction had Zod not cheap-shotted him. He'd thoroughly kicked Zod's ass prior to the ship launch. Now, I'm a believer in BatFleck, I'll admit that, and I hope that just his inclusion makes Batman Vs. Superman a lot better than Man of Steel.

    Just these three things alone tell me that Captain America 3 is getting my $6.00 come 2016. That's not to mention all the other things, like how well Marvel is doing just making the cinematic universe feel like it fits together perfectly, which I can only hope DC at least attempts before it falls out of the sky like a Wayne Industries satellite. Marvel also has Agents of SHIELD on TV to fall back on, and DC could take a lesson or two from that. Throwing Arrow and their upcoming Flash series into their cinematic universe could help them immensely. Production values also play a big role. Marvel's movies obviously have CG, but they do their best to blend the two, or just do it practically. They could have very easily just had completely CG Iron Man suits, but they didn't. Man of Steel looked like there was CG even in the parts that there weren't. That's just sad.

    Cap 3 all the way.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Batman and superman shit on nothing. WB/DC batman movies are sketchy at best. The first 2 Nolan bat movies were great; Rises was disappointing. The only good superman films are the first 2 and that was from 40 years ago. WB/DC don't have the creative talent of Nolan for their next effort and they've cast Affleck who surprisingly got more hate than Craig being cast as Bond. I hope the movie does well as I love batman and Supes but looking at track records and other factors, WB are trying to ice skate uphill.
  • RC7RC7
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    Murdock wrote:
    RC7 wrote:
    Murdock wrote:
    RC7 wrote:
    Murdock wrote:
    I'll skip it. Cap 3 will get my money.

    You could watch both.

    Well considering I strongly disliked Man Of Steel, It's not worth my time. I have The Dark Knight returns for my Bat vs Sups needs.

    Surely not going to break the bank, though?

    Why would I watch something I have no interest in? IMO Snyder tried too hard to Make Superman like Nolan's Batman and ended up making some generic gritty origin story with a half hour of disaster porn for the climax. Is that what Superman is supposed to be? Hell no. I don't care if it's the "Greatest pairing ever." Snyder's going to F up Batman just like he did superman.

    For $10 I wouldn't being assuming anything, I'd just watch it. I don't get the Marvel vs DC affair. It smacks of people pretending to be comic book fans.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    It's not a Marvel vs DC deal for me. It's about wanting good quality movies. I'm a moviephile, I love movies. Marvel has been making quality films. DC since the Nolan Trilogy has become mediocre. I don't want to watch mediocre movies. I want quality entertainment, not something rushed out to appeal to the masses. I like both Marvel and DC equally. I want substance over style, not vice versa.
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    Ah, but you don't need to be a comic book fan anymore. Now that so many comics are being adapted for film or television, you can just be a fan of those, and still jump on the "Marvel Vs. DC" bandwagon. And then, when you're the little voice who says "I like Image" or "I'm a Dark Horse fan" or "Archie forever! (even though he's apparently dying soon)", people can still treat you like, "what the f*ck are you talking about?" despite the fact that companies like Image and Dark Horse are also branching out into the film and television divisions.
  • RC7RC7
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    Murdock wrote:
    It's not a Marvel vs DC deal for me. It's about wanting good quality movies. I'm a moviephile, I love movies. Marvel has been making quality films. DC since the Nolan Trilogy has become mediocre. I don't want to watch mediocre movies. I want quality entertainment, not something rushed out to appeal to the masses. I like both Marvel and DC equally. I want substance over style, not vice versa.

    DC has become mediocre since Nolan? They've made one film (Exec'd by Nolan)
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    RC7 wrote:
    DC has become mediocre since Nolan? They've made one film.

    And it was generic, rushed, mediocre and a sloppily edited mess. I expect more of the same with Batman VS Superman since it has the same crew as MOS.
  • RC7RC7
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    Murdock wrote:
    RC7 wrote:
    DC has become mediocre since Nolan? They've made one film.

    And it was generic, rushed, mediocre and a sloppily edited mess. I expect more of the same with Batman VS Superman since it has the same crew as MOS.

    Shame you can't judge it on release rather than two years before.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    RC7 wrote:
    Murdock wrote:
    RC7 wrote:
    DC has become mediocre since Nolan? They've made one film.

    And it was generic, rushed, mediocre and a sloppily edited mess. I expect more of the same with Batman VS Superman since it has the same crew as MOS.

    Shame you can't judge it on release rather than two years before.

    Yeah it is a bloody shame I can ask for better things and refuse to support something that doesn't deserve a minute of my time or my hard earned money. Yep I'm a bad person for not supporting mediocrity.

  • RC7RC7
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    Murdock wrote:
    RC7 wrote:
    Murdock wrote:
    RC7 wrote:
    DC has become mediocre since Nolan? They've made one film.

    And it was generic, rushed, mediocre and a sloppily edited mess. I expect more of the same with Batman VS Superman since it has the same crew as MOS.

    Shame you can't judge it on release rather than two years before.

    Yeah it is a bloody shame I can ask for better things and refuse to support something that doesn't deserve a minute of my time or my hard earned money. Yep I'm a bad person for not supporting mediocrity.

    It's not been produced, so to call it mediocre is to all extents and purposes, stupid. You sound like the Mendes haters. Misplaced anger.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    RC7 wrote:
    Murdock wrote:
    RC7 wrote:
    Murdock wrote:
    RC7 wrote:
    DC has become mediocre since Nolan? They've made one film.

    And it was generic, rushed, mediocre and a sloppily edited mess. I expect more of the same with Batman VS Superman since it has the same crew as MOS.

    Shame you can't judge it on release rather than two years before.

    Yeah it is a bloody shame I can ask for better things and refuse to support something that doesn't deserve a minute of my time or my hard earned money. Yep I'm a bad person for not supporting mediocrity.

    It's not been produced, so to call it mediocre is to all extents and purposes, stupid. You sound like the Mendes haters. Misplaced anger.

    I'm not angry about it. It's called intuition.
  • RC7RC7
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    You could just watch it. Save the ego massage.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    RC7 wrote:
    You could just watch it. Save the ego massage.
    No ego stroking here my friend. I could watch it, And I might when it reaches the 50 cent bin. But from the news, and the info of Snyder and Crew coming back to helm it doesn't make me any more enthusiastic. Based on the facts, My views on it don't change a bit. If you ask a plumber to do open heart surgery it's not going to go well, Then ask that same plumber to do brain surgery after, same results or worse. Snyder disappointed me with MOS and he's most likely going to disappoint me with Bats vs Sups. It's a matter of taste. I don't see how my ego has anything to do with it.
  • Seven_Point_Six_FiveSeven_Point_Six_Five Southern California
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    Of course I will see both but I don't have high expectations for Batman v Superman. I thought Man of Steel was boring and forgettable and I'm not thrilled about the casting in Batman v Superman. As for the Captain America films so far, they have been excellent. I hope Cap 3 is no exception.
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