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Didn't Spectre go though just that. Even if you thought Spectre was rubbish, people staying away because they put faith in a critic's opinion is a bit off. They just might like the movie if they try it.
Everyone will have their own opinion. I haven't seen this movie, but was curious as to how it was doing. So I read what people were saying on another forum, and it was largely very negative. Plus those who had gone were saying the screens they were at all gave it a bad reception, including DC fans. So it doesn't seem to be just the critics giving it the thumbs down.
Yes that was equally infuriating. I was slightly disappointed by Spectre myself initially, but i warmed up to it enormously since then.
But on RT it is still on 64% and it will stay like that forever and ever.
And this definitly had an impact on the Box office too
Did it blow?
I just love Bond more and hold Bond movies to a higher standard. SP really left me disappointed. Crushed but as I'm not as heavily invested in DC characters I give them a bit more leeway. Regardless, from an objective perspective I did find BvS the more entertaining film, however, maybe not necessarily the better film but definitely the more enjoyable and entertaining of the two.
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Both those films have great moments, two of my favourite films in the genre. Though some of the imagery and metaphor in BvS is jaw dropping.
The trouble is too many peeps trying to emulate his success. If one doesn't know how to do angst with style, then don't bother, again imho.
PS: I didn't find BvS all that bad either. Run of the mill superhero stuff. Nothing to write home about, but not the stinker it's being portrayed as. Like I said yesterday, I think they tried to do too much with this film, but given Supes is their only operating franchise, I don't really see how else they could have gone about it, given they are playing catchup with Marvel. Poor planning leads to bungled execution, inevitably.
Now that really should've been the tagline on SP's poster.
I waited years and years for this damn film, invested so much time, energy and hope into it, and for what?
Despite all the reviews, I told myself just like I did with SP, "don't let the negativity eat at you, it's Batman, you'll love it."
I'm afraid that my reaction is similar to many fans out there: I hate this movie with a passion, but there's a part of me that likes it. Unfortunately, I fear that the former outweighs that by a heavy, heavy margin.
There is stuff that this film does that are brilliant. The action is insane, the choreography is top notch, the comics allusions are interesting and the visuals amazing. However, the biggest issues remain in other areas. You see, I didn't go to this movie for Superman, or Wonder Woman. I went for Batman.
Since before I was even able to walk, Batman has been my everything. The figure that I followed religiously, and whose principles and mission I have always appreciated. I went into this movie with everything resting on Batman, and that is why I have come back from the theater disappointed and beyond offended and infuriated with what Snyder and his team have done.
There is someone in this film with pointy ears and a cape, but for my money, it isn't Batman. Anybody that's read some of Snyder's comments about one big thing Batman does in this film will know where some of my disappoint is coming from. For those that have seen the film, you know quite well that Batman
What's worse is Snyder's pencil thin argument for
The biggest failure of this movie is the worst failure to have in this genre. As a superhero film, these movies need to show you the hope that these men and women can inspire within the public they serve. You want to find yourself rooting for the heroes as they go out to risk it all to save the world and protect the innocent, respecting human life and the lines that set them apart from the villains they face, making sure not to cross them unless as a last resort.
Unfortunately, Batman v. Superman is not this kind of film. Leaving this film, I didn't want to think about these versions of Superman or Batman again, nor did I want to see any future films with them in it, Justice League included. They weren't the heroes I grew up with, and I couldn't stomach supporting this film's approach to them beyond the movie ticket I'd already purchased.
Batman especially was nothing more than the thing he had always fought against in better adaptations of the character, so far removed from who he has always been to me that I can't even stomach how he's been portrayed. Superman and him are both so out of character for so much of this movie, doing things that make me undeserving of the title hero that I can only hang my head in shame. I left the theater beyond disappointed, like I was grieving a lost friend when I really analyzed just how unheroic and downright terrifying and villainous Batman was being and how uncharacteristic Superman was and how little he was standing for the values synonymous with the Man of Steel. There's one scene where Superman
I wanted to like this movie more than anything in the world. I wanted to proudly support the coming JLA and Wonder Woman films, and all the rest of the movies building up the DCCU. But here, right at the very beginning, Warner and DC have lost me for good. I can't in good conscience support this utter decimation of my favorite comics characters.
Marvel, it's all up to you and Civil War now. I'm now questioning why I ever doubted you in the first place. :(
I think I'm going to have to go watch some Kevin Conroy Batman to get in touch with who the character actually is after this and wash the bad taste out of my mouth that BvS left behind. Goddammit.
Batman kills...
Batman as he is in my mind grew out of the Denny O'Neil and Neil Adams run. He was reinvigorated as a character who respected human life no matter if the person was an innocent or a criminal. He didn't use guns or kill, because how does that make him any different from Joker or Penguin or Bane or all the rest? He knew nobody had the right to decide who lived and who died, and what he would be and how charred his soul would become if he crossed that line.
In BvS, that Batman is not present. All that remains is
If I want to watch a horrible Batman movie where
I'm not seeing it till Tuesday, so I didn't read your spoiler tags yet, however I did hear from somewhere else that
Assuming I'm open to that- I should be ok, right?
Unless there's something in the movie that says otherwise, I'm assuming that
Man, Tuesday can't get here quick enough. My excitement has turned into simply 'will I love it or hate it?'
As the bank robber from Dirty Harry said, "I gots ta know"
As for reviews, the critics here are very divided. Senior citizen critics call it mediocre and filled with cliches. The somewhat younger critics praise it for it s over-the-topness.
Will now some understand why turning Bond/Blofed into "brothers" is a big problem for some as it is a too big change of character ? :)
See, I have no problem with
Yeah, kinda goes with the director territory.
This is not The Dark Knight Returns Batman, and not Keaton's either, though I have never liked the latter for the same reason I don't like Affleck's. With the former, he could do brutal things and I could still support his mission. In BvS, I despised this man and how he thought it was okay to solve his problems with missiles and bullets.
@chrisisall has addressed this issue of Batman in BvS perfectly: this Batman doesn't kill for any good reason, and when he does, he absolutely decimates people off the face of the earth. I could accept Batman killing if it was done like in MoS where Superman had to kill Zod to save thousands. That was a scene with great weight and was interesting, something he had to do for the greater good. If Batman was forced to kill to save someone, that would have been interesting and it would have tested his morality.
Here, Batman has no moments like that at all. He runs into people's cars with the Batmobile, blowing the vehicle to smithereens as he cruises on, blows people up with missiles from the Batwing, actively uses the guns of others to mow people down, stabs people with knives and using their own military grade explosives to wipe them out, including automatic weapons and grenades. He is perfectly capable of taking them out cleanly, but he doesn't, and the ways in which he does are sadistic and beyond brutal. I can't support this man, and to be perfectly honest, I hate him. I don't know why his rogues gallery are still alive at this point if he's so willing to kill random thugs. Why is Joker alive, of all people? Why hasn't this monster killed him yet for what he's done?
Some reviews have warned that BvS contains a different Batman than people are accustomed, using that as their excuse for why he's essentially a terrorist in this film, but there comes a point where you can change a character so fundamentally that they aren't that character any longer. I don't know who Affleck plays in this film, but it's not Batman.
I don't hate Superman as a man in this film as much as Batman, but I do heavily hate how he was developed. I think MoS is great and really cemented who Superman is and why he feels a calling to save earth with the abilities he has. Here, that's all brought crumbling down. He is run through the mud and hated by the people for illogical reasons, who then
This film made me hate the heroes just as much as the villains, because the ideals they aspire to are hollow. We have a Superman who is a 180 in character from who he was in MoS, doubting himself and giving in to public hate and the image they're painting of him as a villain, and a Batman who is worse than the rogues gallery he faces. Why would I ever support this film if that's how they're portraying these "heroes?" I wouldn't root for Batman in a second, and I honestly can't believe Superman isn't going after him for what he's doing to people in this film.
I have a heap of other problems with this movie that absolutely ruin it for me, of plots holes, logical fallacies and heaps of other character related complaints, but for now I wanted to talk about the biggest problem, being that these characters aren't who they are in the comics.
In any case I think it can be said that BvS failed miserably. The movie's reputation cannot be turned around and it doesn't really matter how big the BO will be.
I see a very dark future for the Justice League movies. JL part I definitely will make less money than BvS as everybody will expect it to be more of the same as MoS and BvS. Not good.