Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)

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    Well I liked it, so all I hope for now is that this doesn't jeopardize the solo Batfleck movie- and Justice League
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Risico007 wrote: »
    doubleoego wrote: »
    Great Box Office??

    How much is Disney paying you honestly? Just want to point out a few things


    http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2016/04/03/batman-v-superman-box-office-dawn-of-justice-tops-man-of-steel-with-681m-worldwide-cume/#5d4cef37504f


    to sumn up the article in simple terms

    Batman V superman has currently out grossed
    X-men (2000)
    X-men 2
    X men 3
    X-men First Class
    X Men Origins Wolverine
    The Wolverine
    Fantastic 4
    Fantastic 4 2 rise of silver surfer
    Fantastic 4 reboot
    Iron Man
    Iron Man 2
    Spider man
    Spider man 2
    Spider man 3
    The Amazing Spider Man
    The Amazing Spiderman 2
    Ghost rider
    Ghost Rider 2

    And I am pretty sure it has also out grossed (though I don't have the figures
    Daredevel
    Elektra
    Blade 1-3
    Batman 1-4 (the Burton Schumacher era) and possibly even Batman begins


    we really want to start talking about bombs in a month from now BVS could easily over take X-men days of future past AND Deadpool and make a billion. I am seeing it Saturday for a third time!

    What are you on about? I'm stating facts which are accessible to all.
    The above movies don't have the same budgets that BvS has and the fact you're trying to compare Batman and Superman to all these comparatively b list, c list and in some cases d list characters save for spider-man says a lot. If anyone thinks WB ecexs are sleeping soundly at night you're kidding yourselves. This film is UNDERPERFORMING.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    @Risico007
    Box office doesn't mean anything if there is no or only little profit.
    BvS was supposed to do 1.5 to 2 billion.
    It becomes a monetary grave.

    Bingo!
  • Posts: 9,846
    doubleoego wrote: »
    @Risico007
    Box office doesn't mean anything if there is no or only little profit.
    BvS was supposed to do 1.5 to 2 billion.
    It becomes a monetary grave.

    Bingo!

    Two things

    1. Batman v Superman isn't out of theaters

    2. Where did you get this figure from?
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Bottom line, it's a success, but not a hit.
    The next DC film will certainly dictate the DC cinematic future. If it's a hit all will be well. If it's a success they will tread very lightly from then on. If it's a failure.... I don't wanna even go there...
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
    edited April 2016 Posts: 11,139
    Ok...for those of you not getting how this is a disappointment...


    Let's say you NEED $160 to start your business. You only have $80 so you give it to me and tell me to double your money at a casino.

    I tell you that at the start of the night I made a killing. But as the night wore on, I started to lose more games.

    Remember, you NEED $160.

    I hand you back a grand total of $85.

    Profitable?
    Yes, but barely.
    Is this what you needed?
    No.

    Warner Bros. entrusted $400 million to Zack Snyder to help kickstart their DCEU (not including MOS).

    They are on track to making only $50 million in profit ($850 million)

    (When movies are released, the studios on average take back 50% of what they gross.)

    The preferable scenario for a studio would be to make as much as they invested or at the very minimum, half as much as they invested (the production and marketing budgets) ON TOP of what they invested.

    So with a budget of $400million they'd need to make double equating to $800 million.

    WB in all likelihood were aiming for $1.2 billion given their budget and the fact they were making a SUPERMAN/BATMAN movie...$1 billion would be the minimum they would settle for in order to justify their investment.

    Anything less is a disappointment which is where they are positioning themselves.

    In contrast, Marvel has done the equivalent of you handing me $2000 and you NEED to end up with at least $3000, but would prefer $4000 back. I invest the $2000 in the stock market and bought shares in X company and I hand you back $4500.

    WB aren't happy and they have failed big time especially as they've had no legit competition too. This disaster is very real.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    @doubleoego
    925 million is the breaking even point, see my post above :)
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    @doubleoego
    925 million is the breaking even point, see my post above :)

    See, there you go. I havn't been pulling this stuff out of my backside. WB are in full damage control mode because they know they've messed up. The numbers don't lie. The film is making money but it hasn't even made a profit yet.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Risico007 wrote: »
    doubleoego wrote: »
    @Risico007
    Box office doesn't mean anything if there is no or only little profit.
    BvS was supposed to do 1.5 to 2 billion.
    It becomes a monetary grave.

    Bingo!

    Two things

    1. Batman v Superman isn't out of theaters

    2. Where did you get this figure from?

    You don't know how this works.

    BvS is still in theatres but based on analytical projections and it's current performance it's absolutely clear that this film is struggling. It doesn't have the legs as this film was heavily front loaded. These first 2 weeks were critical and this past weekend alone with no competition only managed to secure 50million. The drops are high. This thing is sinking hard and fast and has no other territories to pull in figures from.

    Jungle Book will come out and unload missiles at this and then civil war will come in and pretty much death star strike this thing. BvS' days are numbered and it'll be lucky to make it to 850 million. You don't invest such numbers into a movie like WB has done with BvS to not make anything less than a billion.

  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    None of the hardcore fans answered my question when I proposed it the other night: Batman seems to only kill about four or five guys total in reality in this movie, so were some overreacting or is this "too much death" for some at the hands of Batman?
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    As a batman fan I feel they are overreacting as the film incarnation has ALWAYS BEEN A KILLER and yes this includes nolan's batman
  • edited April 2016 Posts: 2,115
    @doubleoego
    925 million is the breaking even point, see my post above :)

    $800 million was the estimate Variety put out a few weeks ago, which is why that figure gets referenced a bit. The $925 million in the post above is a more recent estimate.

    Here's the Variety URL:
    http://variety.com/2016/film/news/wb-batman-v-superman-faces-high-expectations-1201729887/

    I'm not endorsing either one, just pointing out why the $800 million figure is out there.

    UPDATE: Looks like the $925 million estimate originated with Deadline: Hollywood, with The Independent picking it up.

    http://deadline.com/2016/03/batman-v-superman-opening-weekend-box-office-records-1201726300/
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    @Creasy47, overreacting is my thesis, friend. Batman 'does away' with some thugs amidst a lot of turmoil. It's not like he lets Joker or Two-Face fall to their death... ;-)
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    WB/DC tried to this in 1-2 steps...



    ...hasn't quite gone their way...In any case the above link is how you create and build a universe.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    None of the hardcore fans answered my question when I proposed it the other night: Batman seems to only kill about four or five guys total in reality in this movie, so were some overreacting or is this "too much death" for some at the hands of Batman?

    Bruce being the bitter cynical ruthless Batman is the least of BvS' problems.
    I prefer the way Burton and Nolan showed Batman.
    Snyder has failed EACH AND EVERY character in BvS. The producer's must be out of their mind.
    Only thanks to a surprisingly great Batfeck performance is there hope on the horizon for his solo movie!
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Having watched MoS three times and BvS two times now, I can safely say this take on the JL, so far, is to my liking, though I think that if they wish to continue, SS and some stand-alone Bat film had better be great. Who knows, it might happen. Marvel slipped up a bit with IM3 and Thor 2 but made up for that with the truly excellent CA2. It is possible that within this JLA universe, other writers and directors can deliver vastly better films. The first test of that with be SS and I have high hopes that film with crush BvS critically as well as financially. I'm not rethinking my review of BvS by the way. I really like that movie. Upon my second viewing, I was sure of it. I also know I'm easy to please in the Batman / Superman department. ;-)
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    According to Box Office Mojo BvS will not make one billion.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Having watched MoS three times and BvS two times now, I can safely say this take on the JL, so far, is to my liking, though I think that if they wish to continue, SS and some stand-alone Bat film had better be great. Who knows, it might happen. Marvel slipped up a bit with IM3 and Thor 2 but made up for that with the truly excellent CA2. It is possible that within this JLA universe, other writers and directors can deliver vastly better films. The first test of that with be SS and I have high hopes that film with crush BvS critically as well as financially. I'm not rethinking my review of BvS by the way. I really like that movie. Upon my second viewing, I was sure of it. I also know I'm easy to please in the Batman / Superman department. ;-)

    People like what they like and believe it or not I don't hate BvS. I think that SS will be great but there are reports that WB are demanding reshoots to lighten things up; if this indeed true then WB really have lost the plot. In any case, I'm more confident in Ayer's abilities as a director more so than Snyder's. As of now, SS and WW can't afford to suck and the likes of the flash, cyborg and aquaman really need to have their preproduction processes revised.

  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    According to Box Office Mojo BvS will not make one billion.

    I knew this would be the case once the reviews started pouring in. This film in principle should easily bank a billion but it just goes to show that you can't always con audiences out of their money with a product that displeases the masses.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    I also want to stress again that BvS judged by its own gets a 70% rating by me. Of course for a DC comic movie that is spectacularly low.
    Only Catwoman (40%), Man Of Steel (55%) and Batman & Robin (65%) I rate lower.

    Everything else is 75% or above including Jonah Hex (I love it) or Green Lantern (which I also like a lot).

    It's just that I'm so disappointed by this movie that was supposed to be the greatest ever DC comic book movie. It should have and I will never forgive Warner/DC for letting this disaster happen.
    They broke my heart. And probably will again in 2017 with JL and that will be destroying a life long dream of mine :((
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    r Green Lantern (which I also like a lot).
    I really like Green Lantern because
    A) His costume was not DARK green, it was GREEN.
    B) The movie had humour.
    C) The movie had heart (and it was fun watching Ryan fall in love with Blake for real on film).
  • 00Agent00Agent Any man who drinks Dom Perignon '52 can't be all bad.
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    "We're not concerned with the drop," said Warners domestic distribution chief Jeff Goldstein. "No matter how you slice it, to get to $52 million on any given weekend is an enormous accomplishment. We’re most focused on where we are in total. And our global number is huge."

    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/box-office-batman-v-superman-880012

    At least everyone can sleep a little tight since no one lost any money on BvS.
    By now it should have pretty much covered it's budget (in one week nonetheless)
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    00Agent wrote: »
    "We're not concerned with the drop," said Warners domestic distribution chief Jeff Goldstein. "No matter how you slice it, to get to $52 million on any given weekend is an enormous accomplishment. We’re most focused on where we are in total. And our global number is huge."

    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/box-office-batman-v-superman-880012

    At least everyone can sleep a little tight since no one lost any money on BvS.
    By now it should have pretty much covered it's budget (in one week nonetheless)

    Translation...

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  • 00Agent00Agent Any man who drinks Dom Perignon '52 can't be all bad.
    edited April 2016 Posts: 5,185
    doubleoego wrote: »
    00Agent wrote: »
    "We're not concerned with the drop," said Warners domestic distribution chief Jeff Goldstein. "No matter how you slice it, to get to $52 million on any given weekend is an enormous accomplishment. We’re most focused on where we are in total. And our global number is huge."

    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/box-office-batman-v-superman-880012

    At least everyone can sleep a little tight since no one lost any money on BvS.
    By now it should have pretty much covered it's budget (in one week nonetheless)

    Translation...

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    You can look at it either way you want it, and i see you already made your mind up, but simply financially speaking BvS is not, and will never be a box office failure. It already made more money overseas than MoS in its entire run, and if the budget was really 250mio (boxofficemojo) it will easily tripple that.
    Green lantern was a failure with a total BO of 220mio on a budget of 200.
    BvS at this point made more money than half the marvel movies since iron man (which had smaller budgets though), the only big earners are avengers 1 & 2 (and iron man 3)

    Of course it could still not earn 'enough' money for WB, like amazing spiderman 2 which got pretty high but not high enough, i guess. We still have a lot of time to go
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    So what if it made more money overseas and than MoS? The film has and is underperforming. This isn't rocket science. The numbers are clear as day for all to see.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    How BvS beat certain movies at the box office is not comparable with whether or not it bombs or soars at the box office.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Exactly! The fact that BvS had a 81% Friday to Friday drop including the Thursday previews is a major red flag. This is on the recent Fantastic Four's level of disappointment. This is not a territory you want your top billed comic book superhero characters to be in. WB has to seriously look at the nose dive trajectory this film has faced since its release and look at the bigger picture here.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    I'm with you on this, @doubleoego. I think some people are missing the big picture here. As it has been said, the cost of this film was massive, so much so that it has to reach $800 plus million just to start making serious profit. A film could gross a $900 million dollars, but if it cost $800 million to make it, it's not truly very successful at all.

    People are dazzled by big numbers like $700, $800 and $900 million, but they seem to forget that those mean nothing if the cost of the film is as incredibly and direly high as it is for BvS, so much so that it has to earn an insane amount of money at the cusp of a billion just to start profiting. That isn't good, folks.

    I can't say I'm upset with this, though. Many filmgoers, myself included, found a subpar film to be on offer, and we're now voting with our wallets. Who's to say what effect, if any, this negative reception will have on how DC and Warner send the next films down the assembly line? Maybe some, maybe none. But it's worth a try, eh?
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Look, they already had (& owned) the template for success (not JUST success, but CRAZY success) in the Batman/Superman pair up in the WB cartoon. All they had to do was follow that general pattern & flesh it out more expansively. Simple. But they hired guys wanting to be trendy and needing to go all 'dark & meaningful'. @-)
    They ejected Joss Whedon who would have provided them with a killer Wonder Woman movie who subsequently provided Marvel Studios with a killer Avengers flick.
    This is all about corporate overconfidence & seemingly safe artistic trends, not real thought & creativity.

    I can't wait for Captain America: Civil War, and whatever the hell else Marvel puts out because THOSE studio suits are clearly not just businessmen but fans of what they are producing.
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