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Oh, and shagging her should be no issue here if she had not been killed IMO.
Well, I am a woman and a lifelong Bond fan - and I loved Skyfall and had no problem at all, not a second thought or bad feeling, when Bond came on board and stepped into the shower with Severine. I actually liked the way it was handled.
So I agree with @Perilagu_Khan and @SirHenryLeeChaChing. Both summed up pretty much how I feel about this "issue". I, too, just wanted Severine on screen longer. Bereniece was great in her too-brief role.
I think the reason it was done the way it was done is to make the viewer despise Silva all the more. The more loathsome the villain, the more the viewer is emotionally invested in the plot. Besides, Silva arguably came across as rather chummy and pansified to begin with; the brutality he displayed vis-à-vis Severine imparted a much needed diabolism to the character.
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I don't remember seeing it being handled. Who did that, Bond before he went in the shower to warm it up a bit, or Severine? Or are you suggesting Craig had a fluffer on set?
Am I to assume then that the issue you have is Bond can only take shag any woman he wants as long as she makes it to the end of the movie in one piece?
That's a good point, but nonetheless she's never mentioned again after the William Tell scene which I think is a bit of a shame.
Yes, I made this point above - it's much like the Zorin miners massacre, only on a much smaller scale, of course. Perhaps you could call it the script making allowances for the slack in the Silva character construct and little more - another sacrificial lamb trope in a new James Bond film that surely must have thought it had put those days behind it?
That's why I wrote "stands to reason" and I would argue that my chances of being right on this Point are more than fair. I really wonder about the complete lack of emphathy you and quite a few others display. Does any of you really thinks,that a women abused since childhood does develop a normal relationship towards Sex. Even if she was the one Out of a Million who does,the likelyhood is so low,that no one deserving respect or even admiration (as is the Case in other Bond Flics) should consider screwing her. I am the worst Enemy Political Corectness has ever had,but the arguments raised here comparing it with Events from other Bond Films are simply ridiculous (and I won't even dwell on what plans Severigne, Bond or Silva had in regards to the whole boat and island Thing ,because from the Point Bond arrives in Shanghai there is no Force in the whole Universe that could explain the mess of a Story that develops from here)
Thank you my friend, I knew that you would be a woman with a reasonable and real world considered POV when it comes to situations such as these.
For me, it simply boiled down to this- Severine was no angel despite these pathetic attempts to make her into one and Bond into some kind of lout for taking her up on her offer. Considering her past, I assume he protected himself too! You can't be too careful these days. She had her own agenda and used Bond to get it, just as Miss Anders did. Unfortunately it didn't work out for either of them.
The one improvement over Skyfall next time should be that Bond shags 3 or more women, if for nothing else than to piss more people off :))
@Dragonpol- well said about Severine's killing to put some extra heat on Silva as a ruthless character. Unfortunately, your premise about reasonable assumptions is clearly lost on some people. You lack empathy you know ;) Bad! Bad Dragonpol! Go sit in the corner and read the PC handbook again :))
No clearly your logic escapes you seeing as what you said above.
I'm talking about this isolated incident and you draw a conclusion from it that covers all past & future female character death-related incidents? Really?
Okay then, let Bond 'take shag' whomever YOU want him to, K?
This: "Oh, and shagging her should be no issue here if she had not been killed IMO".
It is why I highlighted it in my last post!
What does it mean exactly?
I'm sure Chris will explain himself, I'm curious about why Bond shouldn't have shagged
the sacrificial lamb when he has plenty of times before.
The Key Word here is not sacrificial lamb, it is Sex Slave (since childhood).Just try to wrap your mind around it.
I don't think there were many femmes fatales done in recent year. Rightly I mean. Except Vesper, but I consider her more of a tragic heroin, in the very classical sense (and a perfect tragic character actually). I think they did very well with Severine, who is also a tragic character.
Vesper was so well constructed. The perfect tragic character, yes.
Just like I said before, it's not that I dislike Severine but I can still see the issues. She's the weakest Bond girl from Craig's era, IMO. But she had potential.
I largely concur.
On Silva's badness see my post above:
"Yes, I made this point above - it's much like the Zorin miners massacre, only on a much smaller scale, of course. Perhaps you could call it the script making allowances for the slack in the Silva character construct and little more - another sacrificial lamb trope in a new James Bond film that surely must have thought it had put those days behind it?"
Severine accompanys Bond for the final showdown at SF. Silva dies. Bond and Severine ala classic Bond finale ( both books and films) finish up together, exhausted from such a tough battle. What a great finish that would have been. But no its too conventional for the Craig era. Can't have Bond finishing up with the girl. God forbid. The Craig era must be seen to be groundbreaking and different.
Apologies to anyone that loves SF, but I'm about ready for gunbarrel at the front again and a normal Bond movie. M as lead Bond-girl is done. Check that off. Now let's get back to basics please.
Y'know, if Bernice wasn't so good in the movie, I mean if she were just another wooden pretty face, this discussion wouldn't even be happening IMO.