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Or Connery's pink tie in DAF perhaps? ;-)
I think some people are reading way too much into that scene though. It's pschological, not sexual. To think because the screenwriter is gay therefore he'll want to explore Bond's "gay" side is doing Logan a massive disservice. Bryan Singer is gay and there aren't any themes of homosexuality running through X-Men or Valkyrie or The Usual Suspects?
Yes (40% rather than 50% actually) but I'm afraid that people have already forgotten that much marketing of TDKR for overseas markets was halted because of a tragic event in the US (mass shooting in a cinema).
It happened after the opening of TDKR in US, but before the opening of TDKR in many, many other markets. For example, in France, everything was cancelled within hours of the tragedy. No premiere. No interview of the cast on TV. Marion Cotillard was not seen anywhere on promotion duties. Etc.. How much more would have TDKR done if marketing could have had all its impact ? We'll never know.
Yes, but didn't he say something about wanting to explore this perceived homo-eroticism in an interview that was widely publicised. That's what we're getting at in this thread, I think. No smoke without fire and all that jazz. We're much too subtle to use the scatter-gun approach here on MI6 Community.
Please lets stick to the topic in hand and not turn this into a bout of UK vs US bashing.[/quote]
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Makes a nice change from bashing the French
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Makes a nice change from bashing the French
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Makes a nice change from bashing the French
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Indeed. You can't do enough of that in my book.
I see... sort of.
But. You write about "...John Logan exploring further Bond's potentially homosexual past and his bisexual experiences, say." Eh??? And what do you mean by "further"???
By that I mean simply the implication behind "What makes you think it's my first time?" and the general Silva perving Bond scene a la Colonel Rosa Klebb and Tatiana Romanova in FRWL.
Do you get the photo now?
What makes you say that? ;-)
Well, it can happen on internet forums despite all of our best efforts.
I'm sort of thinking that, like many parts of SF and the 50th anniversary, the scene was a subtle nod to the past.
Your comment about French bashing (I leave French ladies out of that, I generally like them for being far more down to earth and less irksome in my experience) just raised my positive view of you even more :))
Can you imagine a French-centric Bond film? Nevermind. I forgot about Moonraker and how Jaws more resembles Inspector Clouseau than a serious villain :))
@Sam- just wait until the great and powerful Oz, er, Wiz checks in. I'm sure we'll get back on topic.
Well, I'm very glad an MI6 Community stalwart has such a good view of me. I'm humbled.
Oh, we're back at that.
But you've read the discussion above about that comment by Bond (you're taking it too literally instead of getting why he's saying it) and that whole scene (it's power play).
There can be no "further" exploration of something that hasn't been previously explored. There is no actual suggestion of "Bond's potentially homosexual past and his bisexual experiences", so worrying there will be more of it is rather pointless, I think. ;)
Yes, you are correct and I see your point. Storm in a teacup, then.
He does indeed.
I'm all for that as the "straight man" here. :D
You're the 'Ernie Wise' of the MI6 Community aren't you
B-)
More of the Stewart Lee of MI6 Community - a bit more subtle with the humour.
Well, the X2 scene of Iceman coming out of the closet was almost too much in that matter, so much that the overall mutantphobia = homophobia meaning was then not subtle enough...
Well those who fear we will be getting too much homoeroticism, should rememeber that John Logan himself thinks there are some homoerotic tension with Scaramanga in TMWTGG. If you didn't spot them yet, then why would you spot them in the next Bonds ? :)
Yes there's subtlety and then there's Top Gun ;-)
Interestingly, Kingsley Amis made the same point on Scaramanga and Bond in a 1965 article entitled 'The Story Fleming Dared Not Tell!' on the original TMWTGG novel which he proof-read.
I'm not worried, really. Just something to keep an eye out for.
Nary a one.
Yes, much the same as I view it. Let's hope that it's not there, all the same.
Thanks. We agree for a while, then... ;)
But really, there's only so much one can do when tied up like that, and at the mercy of a madman killer and his armed henchmen and no-one to offer help. Options: 1) do nothing, and 2) say something (hopefully something clever that maybe changes the situation - for the better instead of for the worse... which certainly would have happened with the line suggested above by RC7 :) ). Bond being Bond he indeed does something, and the only thing he can do is say something, and clever chap that he is, he says a clever line that destroys Silva's (also clever) tactic - there's no point to continue with a tactic that isn't working.
"There is no satisfaction in hanging a man who does not object to it." - George Bernard Shaw
Silva apparently has the same general view about the sexual harassment he tries on Bond.