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BTW, It´s difficult to compare fairly the critical reception of movies released 40 years ago. For instance, DAF is #16 (out 26) and SP is #15 in this ranking.
http://editorial.rottentomatoes.com/guide/james-bond-movies/3/
The imdb score is going to be very similar, too (SP 6.9 vs DAF 6.7). However, I think the most of Bond fans think that SP, FYEO or TLD are better than DAF or QoS and all of them seem to have a similar general reception by critics and audience.
Let's hope Bond 25 follows up SP well.
The success is easy to understand. It's a comic book movie based on a very unique character that doesn't completely shit on its source material and was made at a modest cost. The marketing was on point and people that know the character largely got what they expected and wanted; for others it's a comic book movie that entertains and is different from the standard, usual fare. That equates to dollar-dollar bills.
People like what they like. For SP to be struggling to reach 200 million domestic, more than it being a bad film which I don't think people think it is, NA audiences in general must have really been disappointed by it because clearly it failed to resonate in a way they expected. Hopefully Bond 25 will be better recieved.
Again we spent almost 200 million on your crappy movie.
Ok so NA is a huge market and main home to the studios that finance the films but SP faired worse in China and Japan so why keep bashing the US?
Give us a better Bond and we'll embrace it.
Btw the media buzz starting for B25 has had a positive vibe thanks to Greg Wilson. Media taking it as yes SP didn't hit it's target but we are rethinking and starting fresh with the audience in mind.
I'm really sick of the hatred on here. We don't have to agree on everything but too many on here have gone too far.
I have yet to read one American poster bashing the UK.
Thats because the trouble with you Americans is you haven't got a sophisticated sense of humour. Have you heard of Robin's Nest?
That's the trouble with printed conversations ...the humor is often lost unless of course it's actually funny. :)
Thats the trouble with the American sense of humour - they can't recognise a Partridge quote when they see one.
Thank you. :-*
How can you not like a country so pompous and apologetic at the same time.
It's nice to know that at least some Americans feel that way, too. I've often struggled to find most American humor in movies etc. actually funny (my friends say the same), whereas I've loved a lot of British humour since I was a kid.
It's a very sloppy typo by boxifficemojo that needs to be fixed. There are often discrepancies of a few million between estimates and actuals after a weekend, but not suddenly weeks later a nearly $100 million revision. Not possible.
With adjustment, it's hardly ahead of TND despite all the 40th anniversary commotion and the BAFTA celebration. Without those benefits, I'm thinking it'd gross even worse than TWINE.
But yeah, we shouldn't be focusing too much on box office. Craig has already elevated Bond's box office standing as much as he could, so I'm fine with where Bond stands financially. I think what's most important now is the direction that Bond is taken, because right now it seems a bit confused in that regard.
Hence why I wrote these two articles, about the 'real' effects and implications are of "SPECTRE"s box office figures:
https://hmssweblog.wordpress.com/2015/12/13/spectre-box-office-and-its-future-implications-part-i/
https://hmssweblog.wordpress.com/2015/12/14/spectre-box-office-and-its-future-implications-part-ii/
I am really curious what people in here think of those articles. I may have linked to them before, but so far I never got a reply concerning the content I wrote. And the points I made are indeed very valid for the production of Bond #25.
//Thats because the trouble with you Americans is you haven't got a sophisticated sense of humour.//
As opposed to, say, the U.K., that gave us Benny Hill?
Anyway, he's still up there competing with Laurel and Hardy.
I guess we don't want them to rehash anything. On the other hand Spectre has been successful in most markets, which might make the case that the Bond formula is still in demand.
No, it won't, it will make exactly 879,448,420 USD, I'm sure of it :))
Agree. Enough with the tropes already. Everyone else, including Cruise in MI, is aping Bond to death. Time for a great, thrilling story, no matter what actor does Bond 25. And a great new director won't hurt either.
Spectre was a roaring success in a lot of markets, especially European markets.
In Germany Spectre sold 7.041 million tickets. Just to show you how much of a success that is: Fast & Furious 7 and Jurassic World sold 4.1 million tickets each. Only Minions got near the Spectre figures with 6.9 million tickets sold. (Star Wars not counting of course which sold a staggering 8.874 million tickets in Germany).
Spectre also broke records in Switzerland, Austria and other European countries as well.
Skyfall sold 7.779 million tickets in Germany back in 2012 by the way.
So you see, Spectre is far from a failure and it cemented the longevity and guaranteed money maker status of this franchise.
There was nothing wrong with Spectre at all. The simple truth is (imho) no Bond will ever go to the heights of Skyfall again (box office wise) for the obvious reasons (50th Anniversary and endless media presence therefore).
Ok, maybe if they release a Bond movie for the 75th Anniversary, they will repeat the Skyfall phenomenon:))
Spectre has conquered the world (except the US, I guess you can say that).
It has become the second most successful James Bond movie and by a large margin.
If the Return On Invest and the money Spectre made on top of the 700 million USD it approx. needed to break even (if it really needed that much) are a small disappointment for the studio, it is understandable.
My guess is, Bond 25 will have a much tighter budget and this is good news. After CR, things got a bit out of hand budget wise and after Skyfall's success, EON probably got a bit lazy and didn't think it needed to have a tight grip on cost expenditure.
In any case, Bond 25 will hit the cinemas eventually and continue the great run the franchise had since Goldeneye.
The Brits do most things better.
America is just a growing embarrassment at this point, not that it hasn't been that way before; we're just on fast-forward now. It's frustrating to see how stupid some of my people act, and how I am then generalized as thick in the head or arrogant because of them worldwide. We've become one big joke. How our people treat elections like sports events or circuses. How we perpetuate crimes against the beautiful English language with acronyms like LOL and ROFL or BS slang terms like "selfies." I can't say that last one out loud for fear of losing precious brain cells. Hell, when William and Kate were married, we gave more of a toss about it than their own people. On behalf of my country and its sizable population of dimwits, I apologize to the Brits and the rest of the world. If there was a way to stop it, I would, trust me.
I don't want this thread to go off topic again, but I had to vent my feelings on this.