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I'm not sure, I'd have to see stats. My impression is that more men were drawn in by Craig than Brosnan.
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Excellent stuff! Great build up to the release of the next one? And of course the release of the actual movie itself! :-bd
It will most likely be a better movie, but it will not break the SF numbers. I'm quite certain of that for reasons we have discussed at length here, and quite frankly I'm ok with that too.
Me too. Never been interested in the Box Office. The only way I'd be paying attention to it is if it was so bad it was going to put the series in jeopardy.
Nothing has been pushed back. On December 4th, during the first photo call at Pinewood and the title release, it was communicated that "SPECTRE will premiere on November 6th 2015, USA and UK". For all those fans who doubt it, here are the articles:
http://www.mi6-hq.com/sections/articles/bond-24-spectre-title-announcement
http://www.mi6-hq.com/news/?itemid=11600
Also, as of today, the original UK premiere date of October 23rd is completely gone from the official 007-website. One more time, dear fans: It. Is. Deleted. Gone. Dead :-):
http://www.007.com/bond24-announcement/
The confusion started to appear, due to lack of good and clear visibility and communication of the changes. But still, those official changes include the removal of the October 23rd UK date. The reason we're still talking about that old date, is because no one else on the internet is updating those badly communicated, though official release date changes. IMDB.com for instance.....
The exact reasons for the change? I don't know.
--> Perhaps the first has to do with the SonyLeaks. For instance, when the first reviews from the UK are slightly lacklustre, reviewers will instantly refer to the leaked draft screenplay as one of the causes. Then you can get bad word-of-mouth spreading from the UK to the USA. By opting for a "more global" release, everyone, every critic, needs to watch the film more or less at the same time....I guess.
--> Secondly, Bond has become bigger than big since "Skyfall" 1.1. Billion Dollar global box office. Off course the damaged Sony Pictures company wants to fully bet on the success of "SPECTRE". The same release date for both UK and USA is then slightly more logical. Just look at "Star Wars".
Let me put it differently. It's nice to see that you are convinced that it will not break the SF-numbers. I am OK if "SPECTRE" won't repeat the "SF"-numbers. But I'm also OK if it does break the "SF"-numbers. At this stage I think it is a bit too soon to confirm a fact like "will be lower than SF!" or "will be higher than SF!". A lot depends on the reviews.
The last "Hunger Games" movie? Totally not worried about that. Remember the "Twilight Saga" came out one week after "SF". Also a young-adult-adaptation. They are "fishing out of different pools".
One last thing. Call me a proud person. But apart from enjoying the film a lot, I also felt a separate kind of proudness about "SF" and what it did globally (buzz, box office, awards, etc.). Call it an after-effect, but at least no one in here will say "Ooowh, it was so stupid that SF scored a 1.1 Billion Dollar gross".....
It was good to have Bond back with a bang. Very loud, ear-deafening bangs ;-).
Not so sure about that. I'll be seeing both, and I know a lot of people who will as well. But I wouldn't have been caught dead at a Twilight showing. I think The Hunger Games are slightly more attractive to an adult crowd than Twilight was (though not quite as popular with certain obsessive teenage fans, which is probably the reason why Twilight did a bit better at the box office). There is some overlap.
Having said that, I'm not worried either. First of all, it seems that movies don't necessarily cancel each other out these days. More people seem to go see the movies they want to see instead of going to the movies because it's Saturday and then picking one over the other. Secondly, you're right to a degree. While Mockingjay is appealing to at least a portion of the adult population, it doesn't have exactly the same target audience - just some overlap. So yeah, it'll do well with or without the Hunger Games out at the same time.
As for the 1.2 MIO Dollar margin - I hope so. I wouldn't be bothered if it didn't, but I'm with you on the proud-of-my-franchise ad big-bangs-rule front.
Agreed. By the way, let me be clear. I wouldn't mind if it cashes, let's say, $975 Million. On the contrary. Then it only proves that others in here actually were right. And that could be the case. Looking at 2014, the TOP 3 of global box office results wasn't by far as big as the TOP 3 from 2012.
Yes, it will.
Because it's production budget is $300 million. On top of that comes the marketing-budget. So in the end SONY will have spent at least $400 to $450 million.
And they will only get back between 1/3 and 1/2 of the worldwide box office, because the theatres will get the rest.
So SPECTRE will have to do 1 billion for sure to break even.
SONY/MGM/EON only will make a profit from it when it tops 1 billion.
I do think it will break the UK opening weekend record held by 'Deathly Hallows 2' of $38m. SF did $32m. To go one better and break SF's own UK all time record it will really have to go some. SW will be looming on the horizon like a giant hand flipping the bird.
Off e it won't be a failure if it, let's say, cashes $925 Million worldwide. Absolutely not. Yes, SF has become the new benchmark, but let's not forget what CR and QOS did to the worldwide box office. Those had pretty good results with both around $590 Million worldwide. And in comparison with that figure the production budgets of QOS and CR were in fact very huge.....if we talk about being certain for break-even result.
Looking at the current production and promotion of "SPECTRE", I can only guess that both Sony/MGM and EON Productions are heavily betting on another $1.1 Billion global box office result. My guess still is: $1.2 Billion. No#3 or No#4 movie behind "Star Wars 7", "Avengers 2" (and "Furious 7").
Based on the 1 video blog and the on set photos it already looks like its costing more than SF and there is so much more to come.
i agree completely. The more expensive the film the more it needs to get back to get into profit with cinemas worldwide taking a percentage of the gross. Also later on there will be revenue from TV sales, digital media, home video etc to help recoup the enormous costs. Also - how much does EON/MGM/SONY use of the promotional/product placement payments towards the actual budget. I believe that the product placements pay for a certain percentage of the budget. Craig himself said that they wouldn't be able to make these films with the budgets they have without the promotional help from the product placements.
here is an interesting article I found about product placement - they state that the entire $100m production budget of Brosnan's 2nd 007 adventure TND was paid entirely by product placement.
http://blogs.amctv.com/movie-blog/2010/05/product-placement-in-the-movies/
There is absolutely no way Spectre will make less money worldwide than Furious 7.
I wouldn't go "Banco" on that :-S. I mean, the fact that the 1st trailer will most likely be attached to the "Furious 7" screenings says a lot. Also, the death of Paul Walker could result in some extra interest in the man and the franchise.
It is curious to see though, how non-fantasy, non-3D films have been doing great stuff at the box office lately. "Skyfall" and "The Dark Knight Rises", and now "American Sniper" and "Fifty Shades Of Grey".
http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/feb/16/fifty-shades-of-grey-beats-avatar-with-248m-opening-weekend-box-office
I agree ;-). So now we said that, what do you think will be the biggest non-fantasy, non-sci-fi, non-3D movie of 2015?
It will undoubtedly be from the same outfit that brought us the biggest non-fantasy, non-sci-fi, non-3D movie of 2012 imo. ;)
http://www.slashfilm.com/chinese-box-office-overtakes-america/?China+Box+Office
Seems their top grosser borrows a Bond aesthetic, although he's not a spy.
That's very very interesting @RC7 :-P. Sjee, Bond is everywhere these days hehe. The Chinese market will be uttermost vital for "SPECTRE"s success at the global box office.
By the way, February is indeed usually quite a shoddy month for movies. But as I have already expected, February 2015 is slightly different:
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=4035&p=.htm
Having said this, "Kingsman: The Secret Service" could still cross the $500 Million mark at the global box office......although it'll be a bit hard.