SPECTRE: It grossed $880 Million Worldwide (..and 2015 was the biggest box office year so far)

Samuel001

If it begins production this September as is the plan, there is no reason to think it will not be out next December, in 2014.

Creasy47

Samuel001 wrote:

If it begins production this September as is the plan, there is no reason to think it will not be out next December, in 2014.

If anything, I'd like to think that's more than a given if it starts production then.

thelivingroyale

In 2015 I'm looking forward to Bond 24 and the Assassin's Creed film. Nothing else I've heard about really excites me (although I might see Ant Man because of Edgar Wright).

As it stands, I'm actually anticipating 2014 much more. Expendables 3, the Planet Of The Apes sequel, Chris Nolans next film, and of course Mad Max 4.

fire_and_ice

There are a few duds in there i think, Franchises that maybe people won't be that interested in. Expect Star Wars, Avengers 2 possibly and Superman vs Batman to be the top 3 films. Bond 24 will do well though won't come close to Skyfall, that film was helped by the 50th anniversary. Hope its a good movie nonetheless. Avengers 2 may ride on how the public take the next few sub Avengers movies, phase one of Marvel worked well. Does not necessarily mean phase two will work at the same level.

Gustav_Graves

fire_and_ice wrote:

There are a few duds in there i think, Franchises that maybe people won't be that interested in. Expect Star Wars, Avengers 2 possibly and Superman vs Batman to be the top 3 films. Bond 24 will do well though won't come close to Skyfall, that film was helped by the 50th anniversary. Hope its a good movie nonetheless. Avengers 2 may ride on how the public take the next few sub Avengers movies, phase one of Marvel worked well. Does not necessarily mean phase two will work at the same level.

Way way too early to predict that Star Wars and all the superhero movies are going to do a TOP 3. There are signs that audiences become a bit 'superhero tired'. Marvel this, DC Comics that. Here's a list......and don't get confused:
DC COMICS:
--> Batman / The Dark Knight (Nolan turned this into the most lucrative DC Comic. In 2015 vs. Superman)
--> Superman / Man Of Steel (vs. Batman in 2015. WB anticipated a 1 Billion Dollar hit again. Instead, the worldwide gross is 'only' $647,256,503, which is a slight disappointment)
--> Justice League (2016)
--> Jonah Hex (complete financial flop)
--> Catwoman (another failure)
--> Watchmen
--> The Green Lantern (with a production budget of $200 Million and a worldwide gross of $219,851,172: A flop)
--> The Losers (a complete financial flop)

MARVEL COMICS:
--> The Hulk (critically? failures. both installments didn't even reach the $300 million worldwide)
--> Blade
--> The Fantastic Four (another one coming in 2015)
--> Spiderman
--> Captain America (new one 2013)
--> Thor (new one in 2013)
--> Iron Man (perhaps most lucrative franchise of the Marvel series)
--> The Avengers (Thor, Iron Man, The Hulk, Captain America, 2015)
--> Guardians Of The Galaxy (2014)
--> The Ant Man (first one in 2015)
--> X-Men (new one premiered one week ago, but so far not a very big success. Another one coming in 2014)

So it's quite obvious. The superheroes are all over the place and there's no clear structure in every superhero-franchise. Whereas my advice would be to focus on casting a new Batman to follow-up 'The Dark Knight Rises', now with Robin, DC Comics falls in the 'trap' of combining Superman and Batman on screen. It's a pity, because Warner could have turned Batman into a stiff competitor for James Bond.

Same with 'Iron Man'. I just love it. Perhaps because Iron Man reminds me of the charm and wittyness of the Roger Moore Bond's. And Robert Downey Jr. is just sheer fun. Instead, Disney tends to focus on combining all the superheroes on screen. And Disney kind of forgets here that it actually was Iron Man who carried the first Avenger-movie.

So the signs are there. The new 'X-Men' movie stands at a slightly dissappointing $256,341,878 worldwide after 11 days. 'Man Of Steel' was standing at around $450 Million worldwide after 11 days. In comparison, 'Skyfall' stood at $669 Million worldwide after 11 days.

In comparison, a non-superhero, non-3D franchise like 'Fast & Furious' is doing way way better. 'Fast & Furious 6' is the 2nd most succesfull movie after the 1.2 Billion Dollars from 'Iron Man 3': Currently standing worldwide at a staggering $771,152,190. And as you know with inflation correction 'Mission: Impossible - Ghost Protocol' ended its run with $694,713,380....a mark 'Man Of Steel' won't catch anymore.


CONCLUSION: I would be careful in predicting all the superhero movies at the top in 2015. Slowly, the audiences are getting a bit tired of it all. And Warner and Disney sadly do not wish to stabilize one of their most succesful franchises: 'Batman' and 'Iron Man' (I love 'Iron Man 1', 'Batman Begins' and 'The Dark Knight').

In the meanwhile other 'better-to-compare' competition comes from 'Fast & Furious' and 'Mission: Impossible'. You completely underestimate those.

And one last point almost no one takes into account. Once a movie get mixed or bad reviews it certainly has an influence on its financial success. That's the reason why 'X-Men: The Wolverine' and 'Man Of Steel' are lagging behind in the movie companies expectations and predictions.

So taking into account that the critical reviews for 'Bond 24' will be nearly as good as those from 'Casino Royale' and 'Skyfall', I predict that the Bond franchise is the only rock-solid franchise amidst a field of so many superhero incarnations. Recently upgraded to very big levels and a 2nd time director's chair for Sam Mendes could see 'Bond 24' cashing another $950 Million to perhaps $1.3 Billion worldwide. A figure that IMO seems more realistic. Especially now the gossip about the 'return of Blofeld' is starting.

fire_and_ice

@Gustav_Graves fully aware of aforementioned movies. Just my opinion, though i think the bringing together of two ironic figures such as Batman and Superman may court some attention. As far as Star Wars is concerned the fact that the original cast from the original trilogy are possibly involved and most likely involved will help it greatly. The second Star Wars trilogy has been well documented as to what went wrong. I think the buzz will increase greatly toward the next trilogy in due course. Again just opinion. Indeed there have been many super hero movies, personally still think the genre is in its infancy relative to other genres of movies. That's relative to what is required to bring a super hero to live action. Despite the negative critical reviews and so called box office failings of Man of Steel, still think the movie was a step forward in the genre. I personally think Batman vs Superman title unconfirmed, will be huge.

Richardo

Gustav_Graves wrote:

I think the biggest competition for Bond 24 will become Mission Impossible 5.....IF it has a USA premiere of October or December :-). What do you think guys?

Yes; then the two franchises will be going head-to-head. Astute prediction.

Gustav_Graves

fire_and_ice wrote:

@Gustav_Graves fully aware of aforementioned movies. Just my opinion, though i think the bringing together of two ironic figures such as Batman and Superman may court some attention. As far as Star Wars is concerned the fact that the original cast from the original trilogy are possibly involved and most likely involved will help it greatly. The second Star Wars trilogy has been well documented as to what went wrong. I think the buzz will increase greatly toward the next trilogy in due course. Again just opinion. Indeed there have been many super hero movies, personally still think the genre is in its infancy relative to other genres of movies. That's relative to what is required to bring a super hero to live action. Despite the negative critical reviews and so called box office failings of Man of Steel, still think the movie was a step forward in the genre. I personally think Batman vs Superman title unconfirmed, will be huge.

I don't know. It's a Zack Snyder movie. Personally.....for me it gets a bit tired. I am very happy if Snyder can make 'Batman vs. Superman' a very Dark Knight-esque, Nolan-esque movie. The fact as, just looking to the plain characters, I find Batman way more compelling and interesting than Superman. Simply because Batman is less sci-fi, more Bond-esque, more realistic. That's what made the Dark Knight trilogy big. Superman however.....he's just a plain dull woman magnet....nothing more.

fire_and_ice

Gustav_Graves wrote:

fire_and_ice wrote:

@Gustav_Graves fully aware of aforementioned movies. Just my opinion, though i think the bringing together of two ironic figures such as Batman and Superman may court some attention. As far as Star Wars is concerned the fact that the original cast from the original trilogy are possibly involved and most likely involved will help it greatly. The second Star Wars trilogy has been well documented as to what went wrong. I think the buzz will increase greatly toward the next trilogy in due course. Again just opinion. Indeed there have been many super hero movies, personally still think the genre is in its infancy relative to other genres of movies. That's relative to what is required to bring a super hero to live action. Despite the negative critical reviews and so called box office failings of Man of Steel, still think the movie was a step forward in the genre. I personally think Batman vs Superman title unconfirmed, will be huge.

I don't know. It's a Zack Snyder movie. Personally.....for me it gets a bit tired. I am very happy if Snyder can make 'Batman vs. Superman' a very Dark Knight-esque, Nolan-esque movie. The fact as, just looking to the plain characters, I find Batman way more compelling and interesting than Superman. Simply because Batman is less sci-fi, more Bond-esque, more realistic. That's what made the Dark Knight trilogy big. Superman however.....he's just a plain dull woman magnet....nothing more.

Snyder does appear to carry alot of negative baggage, personally think Watchmen was very good and also loved Man of steel. Life long fan of both characters Batman and Superman and its difficult to pin point a definitive version of either because of there longevity. They have constantly evolved, Batman at this point more successfully in cinema. Think you have to disregard Batman in previous movies leading up to his return in Batman vs Superman, it has been stated that Supermans emergence is the catalyst for other DC Characters to wear masks so to speak.

Gustav_Graves

Hmm, still, as a multi-faceted character, I find Nolan's Batman way more compelling than Superman. Simply because Superman is a plain dull woman magnet.....

NicNac

WillyGalore wrote:

TheWizardOfIce wrote:

Any chance of amending the title of this thread? I think the word 'greatest' is threatening to sue.

Something along the lines of '2015 may be the greatest year for sequels with a perfunctory script and endless tedious CGI action scenes' might be more apposite.

As a separate debate I wonder what could truly be classed as the greatest year for films?

1994 springs to mind when I saw Leon and Pulp Fiction within a week of each other and a quick google shows Shawshank, Speed and Four Weddings all that year too.

But I'm sure there must have been a better year. Any offers?

I probably agree with you with 1994. How about best decade? 70's gets my vote all day long.

1930s, 1960s and 1970s would be my choice for the greatest decades.

The 30s saw the talkies take off with so many great and creative writers, directors, stars etc.

In the 60s through 70s all those terrific maverick directors came along - Altman, Coppola, Speilberg, Scorcese etc. Same thing in Europe. The rot set in with Star Wars. No disrespect to SW - a fine film - but it led the way for the blockbuster age. Maybe necessary at the time when TV and video was killing the cinemas and multiplexes were not the norm. BUT, the writing was on the wall as 007 may say, and now look at us. Creativity is more or less dead.

Samuel001

So the worst decade must be the 00's right? I feel these last few years cinema may be getting somwhere again.

Ludovico

Samuel001 wrote:

So the worst decade must be the 00's right? I feel these last few years cinema may be getting somwhere again.

Well, in the 00s we had DAD, but also CR, the LOTR trilogy, a number of others.

Creasy47

Here's an interesting read from Cracked:

http://www.cracked.com/quick-fixes/4-reasons-2015-could-be-movie-industrys-worst-year-ever/

Soundofthesinners

^Was just thinking about that article.

I'd say 2015 is the make-or-break year for Spielberg's prediction about a change in the movie industry. If Batman and Superman and The Avengers 2 and Star Wars Episode VII and (perish the thought!) Bond 24 fail, or at least a few of them do, then the sea change will happen. If, however, they all churn out hundreds of millions or even billions of dollars, the movie industry will be chugging along as usual for at least the next few years.

Creasy47

@Soundofthesinners, and in all honesty, films like superhero movies, a new 'Star Wars' (no matter how lasting the bad taste of the newer trilogy of 'Star Wars' films was to the fans), and James Bond - I see them taking the latter route and making millions/billions of dollars.

Samuel001

Terminator, Fantastic Four, Pirates, all that jazz, will do the opposite I predict. Very bad numbers. I think Star Wars and Bond are that years safest bets, the films we all know will do well. Batman/Superman and Avengers may not do as well as hoped.

Murdock

The 2000's 2010's era of film is a mixed bag for me. There are several gems in a mass rough. When movies have to pander to all audiences to try to make the most money the quality goes down. When movies aim for a niche audience the quality is significantly great. Though I wish lesser studios would return to balance out the industry.

pachazo

Samuel001 wrote:

I think Star Wars and Bond are that years safest bets, the films we all know will do well.

Absolutely. Personally I think that Episode VII is going to be a monster if the original actors do indeed return. Bond will also do quite well but perhaps not Skyfall numbers.

Samuel001 wrote:

Batman/Superman and Avengers may not do as well as hoped.

I tend to agree especially with the Superman sequel. Out of all of them it's that has the most question marks going in.

Ludovico

Creasy47 wrote:

Here's an interesting read from Cracked:

http://www.cracked.com/quick-fixes/4-reasons-2015-could-be-movie-industrys-worst-year-ever/

Very interesting article. Kind of scary to see that big franchise might not be guarantee of success.

Creasy47

Samuel001 wrote:

Terminator, Fantastic Four, Pirates, all that jazz, will do the opposite I predict. Very bad numbers. I think Star Wars and Bond are that years safest bets, the films we all know will do well. Batman/Superman and Avengers may not do as well as hoped.

I can see the 'Batman/Superman' film not doing too wonderfully, but you don't think 'The Avengers' is going to do as well as hoped?

Ludovico

I think ID4 will crash and burn. I hope so anyway.

NicNac

Samuel001 wrote:

So the worst decade must be the 00's right? I feel these last few years cinema may be getting somwhere again.

No, no Sam. The whole decade was terrible ;-)

Must admit I'm no expert of the last 10 years, only ever getting this impression of blockbuster cinema taking over. But sometimes I see a smallish film like The Man Who Wasn't There which has a performance by Billy Bob Thornton that is simply astonishing, and I realise that quality stuff is out there. And not just the Coen brothers.

I'm sometimes too guilty of generalisation.

Samuel001

Don't forget these last three and a bit years aren't the 00's, they're the 10's.

Creasy47 wrote:

Samuel001 wrote:

Terminator, Fantastic Four, Pirates, all that jazz, will do the opposite I predict. Very bad numbers. I think Star Wars and Bond are that years safest bets, the films we all know will do well. Batman/Superman and Avengers may not do as well as hoped.

I can see the 'Batman/Superman' film not doing too wonderfully, but you don't think 'The Avengers' is going to do as well as hoped?

I think it's possible it matches the first but I get the feeling, everyone expects it to do far more business than that.

Creasy47

@Samuel001, while the first 'Avengers' was more than a success, I don't think anyone should get ahead of themselves and believe the second one will do better than its predecessor. That's like the majority of us agreeing that 'Bond 24' will do better than SF, just because it's Bond. We just need to hope for the best and not let ourselves be disappointed once the film is released.

Samuel001

I think Iron Man 3 plays a big part of why people think this. It was looked upon as the follow-up to The Avengers. They will no doubt expect every Marvel film to do those kinds of numbers now, when they probably won't.

Creasy47

Samuel001 wrote:

I think Iron Man 3 plays a big part of why people think this. It was looked upon as the follow-up to The Avengers. They will no doubt expect every Marvel film to do those kinds of numbers now, when they probably won't.

That's true. If Marvel is attached somehow, I think fans just get a big head and think it's guaranteed to make $1 billion and exceed all expectations, when really, a portion of these films disappoint. Look at how many people were up in arms and loathed 'Iron Man 3.'

thelivingroyale

thelivingroyale wrote:

In 2015 I'm looking forward to Bond 24 and the Assassin's Creed film. Nothing else I've heard about really excites me (although I might see Ant Man because of Edgar Wright).

As it stands, I'm actually anticipating 2014 much more. Expendables 3, the Planet Of The Apes sequel, Chris Nolans next film, and of course Mad Max 4.

I forgot The Raid 2, Seth MacFarlane's new movie and The Secret Service.

Yeah, 2014 is looking miles better than 2015 imo.

Creasy47

'The Raid 2' finished filming a few weeks ago. I'm so excited for this ever since the first. That hype was worth the wait.

VijayGalore

If the studios focused, on making good films instead of banking on a presold audience guarentee with franchise sequel reboot nonsense, then maybe? the box-office wouldn't flop over. Am I looking forward to anything no I am not.