SPECTRE: It grossed $880 Million Worldwide (..and 2015 was the biggest box office year so far)

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  • MrLunnMrLunn Lunnigham
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    The writing is on the wall - the idris race row - is now forming a negative opinion of Bond, if he doesn't get the job, the Bond brand is in trouble, starting with SP.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Says who?
  • MrLunn wrote: »
    The writing is on the wall - the idris race row - is now forming a negative opinion of Bond, if he doesn't get the job, the Bond brand is in trouble, starting with SP.

    You are new here. So first of all...."welcome!"

    Then my next question. Are you a Bond fan?
  • doubleoego wrote: »
    Says who?

    You know dear @doubleoego ;-)? Insanely big franchise, like "Star Wars", "Marvel", and indeed "James Bond"...also attract firm haters :-). It's the charm of it really. And it only shows how wonderfully big, healthy and glorious the Bond franchise is nowadays. We live in a 2nd Golden Age of Bond (1st one the 1960's).

    The entire Idris Elba news.....I think in the long end mirrors the whole Bond merchandise (toys) craziness from the 1960's :-). I think Idris Elba in the long-term is the best 'free viral marketing' you can think of. And as it's not necessarily negative, people surely will think "Hmmm, I think I need to check out "SPECTRE" myself first".
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    @Gustav, you may indeed be very right. I suppose any publicity can only be good publicity in Bond's case.
  • RC7RC7
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    MrLunn wrote: »
    The writing is on the wall - the idris race row - is now forming a negative opinion of Bond, if he doesn't get the job, the Bond brand is in trouble, starting with SP.

    Thanks for that.
  • RC7 wrote: »
    MrLunn wrote: »
    The writing is on the wall - the idris race row - is now forming a negative opinion of Bond, if he doesn't get the job, the Bond brand is in trouble, starting with SP.

    Thanks for that.

    You sound like Daniel Craig ;-). Love it.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited September 2015 Posts: 23,883
    MrLunn wrote: »
    The writing is on the wall - the idris race row - is now forming a negative opinion of Bond, if he doesn't get the job, the Bond brand is in trouble, starting with SP.

    An interesting point of view (and a very choice use of words) but one I hope is not shared by the masses.

    It's true that SF brought in a lot of Johnny Come Lately fans, and these 'fans' are more likely to be swayed by the Elba discussion. It's also true that the American media in particular likes to stir up this kind of nonsense (eg. we need a black president or we need a first woman president). At the end of the day, I've never been partial to 'affirmative action'. The best 'man' for the job should get it, and at present it's not Elba, purely on the basis of age, and also because it's not sellable globally (despite US media beliefs to the contrary). It's too much of a risk for EON or any studio to take.

    I hope you're wrong about the negative perceptions on account of the 'gossip', but on the margin, there could be a negative effect, possibly...

    Having said that, SP will not do $1.5m, despite what some fans hope for. There is no evidence to suggest that at all.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    MrLunn wrote: »
    The writing is on the wall - the idris race row - is now forming a negative opinion of Bond, if he doesn't get the job, the Bond brand is in trouble, starting with SP.

    Idris race, HA! Idris Elba will never be James Bond that much is certain. Too old and resemble 0% of Fleming's creation. This is like Quentin Tarantino wanting to do Casino Royale all over again. SPECTRE is going to be a hit. Will it make over a billion? I don't know, I hope it does.
  • edited September 2015 Posts: 2,015
    James Bond ticket sales in Germany: (population was 78 million in 1969 compared to the 80 million today, so not that different)
    Uh... West Germany in 1969 was less populated than current Germany. East Germany did not have the movies at all.

    The German number for Thunderball is 12 millions IIRC, but it includes re-releases. It's much harder to compare movies then vs right now than many think here. IMO, it's even meaningless to try to compare. And well, Bondmania was not just good box office.

    Also, about German box office of Skyfall, it has one major reason that is in common with the French box office of Skyfall : no comedy to face, because the distributors thought that Asterix would wipe everything. But it didn't do as well as expected. So Skyfall faced no real competition for weeks.

  • MrLunnMrLunn Lunnigham
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    Make no bones about it, THE Bond brand is in serious trouble. They've painted themselves into a dark corner, rebooted with a 38 year old when they needed a 28 year old. Yes I care about Bond and I am a fan...I just can't see where they go after Craig, SP has a lot riding on it..

    Fear we are treading water...Bond is finished...fights the system...has some personal dark secrets from his past...falls for a girl...sounds like the last three to me.

    Need a drastic creative push - Idris or Hemsworth will give us that.



  • RC7RC7
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    MrLunn wrote: »
    Make no bones about it, THE Bond brand is in serious trouble. They've painted themselves into a dark corner, rebooted with a 38 year old when they needed a 28 year old. Yes I care about Bond and I am a fan...I just can't see where they go after Craig, SP has a lot riding on it..

    Fear we are treading water...Bond is finished...fights the system...has some personal dark secrets from his past...falls for a girl...sounds like the last three to me.

    Need a drastic creative push - Idris or Hemsworth will give us that.

    Thanks again.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    Posts: 16,351
    MrLunn wrote: »
    Make no bones about it, THE Bond brand is in serious trouble. They've painted themselves into a dark corner, rebooted with a 38 year old when they needed a 28 year old. Yes I care about Bond and I am a fan...I just can't see where they go after Craig, SP has a lot riding on it..

    Fear we are treading water...Bond is finished...fights the system...has some personal dark secrets from his past...falls for a girl...sounds like the last three to me.

    Need a drastic creative push - Idris or Hemsworth will give us that.


    50+ years of films, Books and media. Yeah they are in serious trouble. Try again.
  • Posts: 486
    MrLunn wrote: »
    Make no bones about it, THE Bond brand is in serious trouble. They've painted themselves into a dark corner, rebooted with a 38 year old when they needed a 28 year old. Yes I care about Bond and I am a fan...I just can't see where they go after Craig, SP has a lot riding on it..

    Fear we are treading water...Bond is finished...fights the system...has some personal dark secrets from his past...falls for a girl...sounds like the last three to me.

    Need a drastic creative push - Idris or Hemsworth will give us that.

    You can't see where they can go after Craig but you want Idris or Hemsworth. Seems a little contradictory.

    The release of Spectre is just weeks away now. Let's watch it first and then have the post mortem if necessary.
  • edited September 2015 Posts: 725
    bondjames wrote: »
    MrLunn wrote: »
    The writing is on the wall - the idris race row - is now forming a negative opinion of Bond, if he doesn't get the job, the Bond brand is in trouble, starting with SP.

    An interesting point of view (and a very choice use of words) but one I hope is not shared by the masses.

    It's true that SF brought in a lot of Johnny Come Lately fans, and these 'fans' are more likely to be swayed by the Elba discussion. It's also true that the American media in particular likes to stir up this kind of nonsense (eg. we need a black president or we need a first woman president). At the end of the day, I've never been partial to 'affirmative action'. The best 'man' for the job should get it, and at present it's not Elba, purely on the basis of age, and also because it's not sellable globally (despite US media beliefs to the contrary). It's too much of a risk for EON or any studio to take.

    I hope you're wrong about the negative perceptions on account of the 'gossip', but on the margin, there could be a negative effect, possibly...

    Having said that, SP will not do $1.5m, despite what some fans hope for. There is no evidence to suggest that at all.

    As an American, I agree with most of your points. People outside of the US should not underestimate the sway of the pc crowd in the states. They were very instrumental in electing a President who had a very thin resume in the democratic party primaries. The press and the Hollywood crowd also love the idea of a black Bond and are Elba's right arm in his aggressive PR effort to get the role. He has probably now given more interviews talking about being Bond than Craig has given interviews about actually playing Bond. The Elba backers are focused only on the fact that he is a charismatic actor. They could care less that he is 10-15 years to old for the part.

    It is kind of why I will be very surprised if EON doesn't pay Craig and obscene amount of money for B25, if SP makes near 1billion, although I fear some posters are widely over estimating the potential BO particularly given the situation with China. If Craig doing B25 is announced near SP's opening, because they will know fast if it is getting good reviews and also doing decent BO (two factors that may not be consistent), that announcement and only that will shut the replacement rumor mill down pronto. The longer EON keeps silent, the bigger the replacement din and they know it as their hands may be tied for all kinds of reasons we have all speculated about. I would bet a month's salary, EON detests the idea not of a black Bond, but simply of Elba as Bond, and I seriously disagree with those that think this replacement babble is constructive PR for SP. It is destabilizing, and leaves a perception of a lame duck Bond. To me, that is hardly a productive marketing ploy to open a Bond movie, ever.

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    smitty wrote: »
    I seriously disagree with those that think this replacement babble is constructive PR for SP. It is destabilizing, and leaves a perception of a lame duck Bond. To me, that is hardly a productive marketing ploy to open a Bond movie, ever.

    I agree. Even in my workplace a colleague claims to have a friend whom worked on SPECTRE and knows who's lined up as the next Bond. Can't remember the name as it was a complete nobody.

    It's not EON's fault as this situation wasn't created by them but I agree that at some point we need an endorsement of Craig again. if he is to return for Bond 25 it'd be a nice touch to announce it at the premiere as a vote of confidence rather than a couple of weeks into the cinema run.
  • edited September 2015 Posts: 11,119
    Cowley wrote: »
    smitty wrote: »
    I seriously disagree with those that think this replacement babble is constructive PR for SP. It is destabilizing, and leaves a perception of a lame duck Bond. To me, that is hardly a productive marketing ploy to open a Bond movie, ever.

    I agree. Even in my workplace a colleague claims to have a friend whom worked on SPECTRE and knows who's lined up as the next Bond. Can't remember the name as it was a complete nobody.

    It's not EON's fault as this situation wasn't created by them but I agree that at some point we need an endorsement of Craig again. if he is to return for Bond 25 it'd be a nice touch to announce it at the premiere as a vote of confidence rather than a couple of weeks into the cinema run.

    EON gave a rather firm endorsement. And I posted it in this topic actually:
    Barbara Broccoli confirms: "We're NOT interested in casting an new 007!"
    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2379713/board/thread/248241124

    On top of that, I really think Craig's co-producer credits are clear enough. Craig's here to stay. And an additional incentive via his co-producer credits are merely a smart move to keep Craig within the Bond family for a longer period of time.


    I do firmly disagree though that this entire Idris Elba-bullocks could be really hurtful to the franchise. Most people simply believe now that Daniel Craig will be leaving after "SPECTRE". But what's so negative about that really? In reality, the franchise wasn't hurt at all when Brosnan left. And the only thing that has changed in the media, is some kind of core belief nowadays that 3 or 4 films are really a lot....a lot of films for a Bond actor....as opposed to 6 or 7 films back in the 1960's/1970's. That's all really. The SonyLeaks merely....sped up the rumour about it.

    But do not forget, they are by no means a negative judgement about Daniel Craig and his portrayal as agent 007. EVERY bit of news I read so far about this Elba-bullocks never mentioned lines like "Craig was a bad Bond, so he need to leave anyway".

    So I really believe it only keeps the Bond franchise in the news much longer....in a very neutral way. No bad criticism or words of disapproval for Daniel Craig.



    One element that DOES irritate me regarding this 'Elba-bullocks' is something else. Something much bigger really. And for that I want to post this image. It's a discussion I had on an IMDB-topic. Please read it:
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    I call it a clear example of our society going mental....going crazy. I call this a clear example of how the media, especially social media like Facebook, and Twitter, making irritating selfies all the time, turn us, US PEOPLE, into crazy, retarded little selfish narcists. We really start loosing perspective on things. We interpret news-items nowadays as if they are the most cruel examples of racism. People need to educate themselves. Do factcheck's on the meanings of words like 'racism'. This counts for crazy people who lack nuance, like the one I was talking with on IMDB, but it also counts for bigger names like Idris Elba.

    Were the hell is the decency in our society??? Because not that long ago an actor would be gentleman enough to simply say: "I am not Bond, turn your attention to Mr Craig. He's doing a marvellous Bond and he should stay Bond!". And racism?? Come on guys?!?! Did we really kill Idris Elba like this???
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    The answer is a firm "NO"! And even a grown-up man like Idris Elba should have mentioned this. If we keep accusing people too easily of things that really aren't happening, then I think it's fair to say that our society is going crazy. And again, I am NOT a racist! People like those KKK psychpaths who really discriminated and then killed innocent people should be hung themselves! Anyway, perhaps planet Earth really does get too crowded....


    PS: Idris Elba needs to have a good talk with actor Yaphet Kotto!. And now back to Daniel Craig please!
  • edited September 2015 Posts: 725
    That kind of statement means nothing. What else is she going to say when asked. The only statement that will shut the endless replacement babble up is an unequivocal formal press release from EON that Craig has been re-contracted to do Bond 25. Anything less, particular in minor interviews has zero impact. It is entirely possible for reasons widely speculated by posters in here, that EON's hands are tied re making that kind of statement for Lord only knows how long. But until, and if, they can make that kind of announcement, there will be endless replacement speculation that is not constructive to SP's reception.
  • smitty wrote: »
    That kind of statement means nothing. What else is she going to say when asked. The only statement that will shut the endless replacement babble up is an unequivocal formal press release from EON that Craig has been re-contracted to do Bond 25. Anything less, particular in minor interviews has zero impact. It is entirely possible for reasons widely speculated by posters in here, that EON's hands are tied re making that kind of statement for Lord only knows how long. But until, and if, they can make that kind of announcement, there will be endless replacement speculation that is not constructive to SP's reception.

    I edited my above comment, as something was going wrong with posting my initial message. Please feel free to respond again @Smitty .
  • edited September 2015 Posts: 725
    On second thought, comment deleted by smitty
  • RC7RC7
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    Cowley wrote: »
    smitty wrote: »
    I seriously disagree with those that think this replacement babble is constructive PR for SP. It is destabilizing, and leaves a perception of a lame duck Bond. To me, that is hardly a productive marketing ploy to open a Bond movie, ever.

    I agree. Even in my workplace a colleague claims to have a friend whom worked on SPECTRE and knows who's lined up as the next Bond. Can't remember the name as it was a complete nobody.

    'By the powers, invested, in me, by this parish, I hereby do commandeer this comment and all the bullshit within!'
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Sorry but the Bond movies have been around for over half a century and have gone up against and continuously survived obstacles that have taken many forms. Mass media opinions and those of fans of varying degrees account for very little if not nothing. This isn't EoN's first or first few rodeo(s).
    Understandably, fans here want definitive and clear cut answers that put rumours to rest when they want them but that's not going to happen. EoN aren't answerable to Joe public and they sure as hell don't need to be making statements just to satisfy impatient fanboys getting nervous and feeling annoyed and nor are they going to be swayed by the media when it comes to casting. Lastly, it's Bond. After 50 years of being a show pony and thriving the best its been since its peak popularity days of the 60s in this new age media circus; EoN/Bond's success won't be adversely affected. The proof is in their track record and unsurlridinhly they'll do it again for the 24th time in a matter of weeks.
  • MrLunnMrLunn Lunnigham
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    RC7 wrote: »
    Cowley wrote: »
    smitty wrote: »
    I seriously disagree with those that think this replacement babble is constructive PR for SP. It is destabilizing, and leaves a perception of a lame duck Bond. To me, that is hardly a productive marketing ploy to open a Bond movie, ever.

    I agree. Even in my workplace a colleague claims to have a friend whom worked on SPECTRE and knows who's lined up as the next Bond. Can't remember the name as it was a complete nobody.

    'By the powers, invested, in me, by this parish, I hereby do commandeer this comment and all the bullshit within!'

    Insightful and interesting . Thanks for twat.
  • RC7RC7
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    MrLunn wrote: »
    RC7 wrote: »
    Cowley wrote: »
    smitty wrote: »
    I seriously disagree with those that think this replacement babble is constructive PR for SP. It is destabilizing, and leaves a perception of a lame duck Bond. To me, that is hardly a productive marketing ploy to open a Bond movie, ever.

    I agree. Even in my workplace a colleague claims to have a friend whom worked on SPECTRE and knows who's lined up as the next Bond. Can't remember the name as it was a complete nobody.

    'By the powers, invested, in me, by this parish, I hereby do commandeer this comment and all the bullshit within!'

    Insightful and interesting . Thanks for twat.

    No, thank you.
  • Mr Lunn sounds like a perfect name for a disposable henchman. Like this one. Quist his name is no?:

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  • I have the feeling that Chinese (dictatorial) authority is in some way manipulating worldwide box office, and I am a bit fed up with it. And don´t forget that studios can just get 25% of Chinese gross, and not the usual 40-50%.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited September 2015 Posts: 23,883
    I said earlier that Smith's song is going to give us an indication of what can happen with SP's box office (as it will serve as major marketing).

    From the recent 15 sec snippet posted on his twitter, it appears that we are in for a cracker of a song, and possibly score.......consequently, I'm upping my estimates here. $1.1bn gross global.

    Hope the vocals live up to the orchestration heard in that clip which is as good as we've heard since Barry signed off on TLD.
  • I think that SPECTRE box office will be hurt by 100-200 million now that i've heard the song. It felt really bland and while i like much of the instrumentals, the vocals just tore the song apart. Too much of a love song. It will be nowhere near as successful as Skyfall i think
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
    edited September 2015 Posts: 9,020
    Writing's On The Wall is already on No 3 in the Swiss charts and this in less than 5 hours!!
    I'll bet at the end of the day this is No 1 in most countries in Europe.
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