SPECTRE: It grossed $880 Million Worldwide (..and 2015 was the biggest box office year so far)

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  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    The Bond audience typically skews older than most action franchises, so I fail to see the impact that The Peanuts Movie, a children/family film will have on SPECTRE at the Box office. Do people think that couples in their 30's and 40's, or single adults without children for that matter, are going to prioritize seeing the Peanuts Movie over a new James Bond film?

    I'm pretty certain SPECTRE will at least equal SF's numbers in NA, with gains coming mostly from Europe (as we are already seeing in the UK etc) and china.
  • SirHilaryBraySirHilaryBray Scotland
    edited November 2015 Posts: 2,138
    Spectre is well on course to become the highest grossing Bond of all time and probably within the top 3 films in Box office history £40M UK in its opening week predicted it will do another £30M through the next two weeks. £70M ($107M) from the UK box office alone.

    There are a load of people like myself who have seen the film more than once, or intend to see it more than once while in the cinemas.
  • SirHilaryBraySirHilaryBray Scotland
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    Peanuts should not be a problem for Spectre. It's a family, kids movie.
    Now if MI-5 had opened at the same day as Spectre...

    Re-watching the trailers, I think there is another aspect that will help Spectre to be as successful as Skyfall.
    Spectre feels like an direct sequel to Skyfall. That will attract many casual movie goers that have seen Skyfall but might not necessarily watch every Bond movie at the cinema.

    Peanuts has always been an acquired taste. From my youth it was the quirky kids who were loopy over snoopy. It's timing is also a problem. Its aimed at kids its passed the Fall holidays in the US and October break in the UK and will likely only sell out theatres Saturday/Sunday as parents historically don't take their kids to see a film on a week day after school its a family weekend thing.
  • EndCredit007EndCredit007 EGYPT
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    the opening week in UK and Europe is very promising .. the near opening in China is a bonus .. but I can't underestimate the power of parents that are going to accompany their kids to Peanuts and remember what Happy Feet did to Casino Royale .. after 2 weeks ten agers will go to see Hunger Games and in less than a month there will be none when Star Wars begins ..

    And I am afraid Bond performance in USA will affects its performance everywhere .. So I still think it will be a success when it reach 900 million mark ..
  • Peanuts should not be a problem for Spectre. It's a family, kids movie.
    Now if MI-5 had opened at the same day as Spectre...

    Re-watching the trailers, I think there is another aspect that will help Spectre to be as successful as Skyfall.
    Spectre feels like an direct sequel to Skyfall. That will attract many casual movie goers that have seen Skyfall but might not necessarily watch every Bond movie at the cinema.

    You talk like me. I like that hehehehehe :-P.
  • edited November 2015 Posts: 11,119
    the opening week in UK and Europe is very promising .. the near opening in China is a bonus .. but I can't underestimate the power of parents that are going to accompany their kids to Peanuts and remember what Happy Feet did to Casino Royale .. after 2 weeks ten agers will go to see Hunger Games and in less than a month there will be none when Star Wars begins ..

    And I am afraid Bond performance in USA will affects its performance everywhere .. So I still think it will be a success when it reach 900 million mark ..

    I think "Peanuts" can do well. But like "Paddington" earlier this year, "Pixels" and "Shaun The Sheep" (which sadly was a financial flop, regardless of its very high RT rating)...these are animated movies that particularly have a nostalgic feeling to....how weird it may sound......older people. It's not like kids say: "Hey mum! I wanna see Peanuts". It's the other way around. Parents say to their kids: "We're going to see this great movie son/daughter!". That's different.

    Look, with "Hotel Transylvania 2" and "Minions" you at least had a huge fanbase of kids. That's something "Peanuts" doesn't have. Kids don't know Charlie Brown or Snoopy.

    So I don't particularly see "The Peanuts" as a threat to "SPECTRE". Moreover, I think Pixar's "The Good Dinosaur" is in much better shape than "The Peanuts" to do very well at the box office. That one is the one to watch.

  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    If SP can make 80M in one week, at just a handful of markets, surely 900M global total is a little low. At this point I think even the most cautious members have to admit that this Bond film will reach 1 billion US before the end of its theatrical run. Its not even a question anymore.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited November 2015 Posts: 23,883
    Peanuts is not Paddington, Pixels or Shaun The Sheep imho. It is respected, and the fact that adults may have a nostalgic feeling (one of my criteria for oversize box office success) may compel them to take the kids for an outing (kill two birds if you will).

    Having said that, Bond will kill it this weekend. +100m is a given. Peanuts won't come close, but it could rob additional important first week viewers at the margin, which is not good.

    Thanksgiving is the real test. I expect the Good Dinosaur (Jurassic effect as well) and Hunger Games to create major problems because Bond will lose IMAX power over that weekend.
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
    edited November 2015 Posts: 4,116
    I don't think the makers of Peanuts are expecting to beat Bond. They want the families not going to SP or the overflow.

    I think @bondjames has already made this point but I'm not making any predictions until the second and third weeks of release in North America.

    SF didn't really take off in China so SP will be a hard sell not a shoe in. True I believe China will enjoy SP more but they may not even want to bother.

    I am still thinking final worldwide gross of $750m. I would expect SP to do very well on Bluray/DVD.

    I'm not being doom and gloom. I am excited still to experience the film.

  • mcdonbb wrote: »
    I don't think the makers of Peanuts are expecting to beat Bond. They want the families not going to SP or the overflow.

    I think @bondjames has already made this point but I'm not making any predictions until the second and third weeks of release in North America.

    SF didn't really take off in China so SP will be a hard sell not a shoe in. True I believe China will enjoy SP more but they may not even want to bother.

    I am still thinking final worldwide gross of $750m. I would expect SP to do very well on Bluray/DVD.

    I'm not being doom and gloom. I am excited still to experience the film.

    Final wordwide gross of $750 Million is entirely unrealistic...and would be considered a financial disaster....especially for Sony.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    We're definitely on course for $900m to $1bn given ticket prices and China, but that may or may not be enough to deem it a success (the narrative can be spun many ways after the fact).

    I still think $1bn is a possibility and I really believe that is what everyone is gunning for, to say they've delivered two above that critical number.

    As I've said before, I actually would prefer if it comes in below that number because I really don't want box office to be the defining factor for James Bond films going forward (whether with DC or without him).

    I'd rather it be critical acclaim after the fact. That is what I want them to shoot for. Be creative. Be daring. Be different. Surprise us. Like they've done with the last few. Box office success is a bonus.
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    Whether Spectre receipts are affected by Peanuts is questionable. Two different audiences. It's more dependent on the # of screens that theatre-owners flip from one to another. Spectre is an hour longer than Peanuts and one could squeeze 2 more daily showings per screen for Charlie Brown. I've got my IMax tix for Thursday PM and can't wait. Plenty of U. S. Spectre tv ads running now.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    FLeiter wrote: »
    Plenty of U. S. Spectre tv ads running now.

    Yes, and some of the new ones use the 'thumping' music from the original SF teaser. My favourite trailer music of all time. Really gets me pumped to see it.
  • MyNameIsMyBondRnMyNameIsMyBondRn WhereYouLeastExpectMeToBe
    Posts: 221
    -I Am very sure it will gross over expectation..!
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
    edited November 2015 Posts: 4,116
    mcdonbb wrote: »
    I don't think the makers of Peanuts are expecting to beat Bond. They want the families not going to SP or the overflow.

    I think @bondjames has already made this point but I'm not making any predictions until the second and third weeks of release in North America.

    SF didn't really take off in China so SP will be a hard sell not a shoe in. True I believe China will enjoy SP more but they may not even want to bother.

    I am still thinking final worldwide gross of $750m. I would expect SP to do very well on Bluray/DVD.

    I'm not being doom and gloom. I am excited still to experience the film.

    Final wordwide gross of $750 Million is entirely unrealistic...and would be considered a financial disaster....especially for Sony.

    I want a billion plus ...especially to ensure Bond's return.

    Although if Bond doesn't meet that mark then that could push the producers a bit more to rethink which is not always bad thing.

    The past two "return to Fleming" FYEO and CR were responses to OTT financially more successful films.

    The last "return to basics" GE was a response to a less successful film (in North America). So I don't know. I just don't want Bond not to be successful enough not to be worth financing....or worth too much to be profitable.


  • edited November 2015 Posts: 2,015
    @Gustav_Graves

    You should do the chart for the Top 20 movies, then the picture looks a bit different :)
    Also if you omit SW the picture changes drastically.

    But it's entirely possible 2015 will be better than 2014, we'll see.
    When in 2014 the total BO was divided more evenly on many movies, in 2015 the gap between the most successful and the rest is much bigger. So if you look only to the top it seems 2015 is insane.

    Well, so far if I'm right the Top 100 movies of 2015 are 5.000.000.000 $ below 2014, there is 2 months to get back. China expansion has not yet compensate for the rest of the world diminishing "steadily" IIRC. You hear a lot about China expansion because not much elsewhere the movie industry has something nice to show to investors :)

    And yet well, is it really that meaningfull when in "2014" you don't count movie that did lots of business but were released in 2013, and you count movies that did most of the business in 2015 ?

    And don't forget, $ only accounts for a minority of the currencies of the box office now ! You look at very virtual figures with box offices.

    I'm a Bond fan, but I'll never spend a dollar to see SPECTRE believe me :)

  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    I love seeing articles confirming Craig and Mendes' return simply because the movie broke some records in the UK.

    "They'll print anything these days."
  • PS : Funny bias to see on IMDB for those who keep on talking about such rating sites and so on (well, they did with Skyfall at least).

    US Users : 6.8
    Non-US Users : 7.4

    Overall IMDB Users : 7.6

    You like SPECTRE more if you don't say where you vote from it seems :)
  • edited November 2015 Posts: 2,081
    All this stuff about how other movies supposedly affect BO is both strange and fascinating. Like, um, Peanuts? Seriously? Ok... I bet that won't be a multi-screen sold out, running for months thingy here... Aren't the potential audiences somewhat different? Though what do I know about Peanuts, anyway. I have no interest in HG or SW, either, and neither do my friends, but I get those will be big. Won't people normally see more than one movie in a few week period, though? Are movies in the US, for instance, in theatres only for a very short while (for instance: SF stayed in my local for over 3 months... in the beginning multiple screens several times a day, by the end just one screen once a day, but anyway) or do people go to the movies so rarely that if they go one week, then they won't even consider next week, no matter what's out there? If I want to see a movie in theatre then I go see it, regardless of what else is out. If there are several movies out in a few weeks that I want to see then I go see them. And if there's nothing interesting out then I won't go even if it takes months (summers are usually bad, autumn and winter are busy movie-going-wise for me). I take it this isn't normal, then? Ok. I'm trying to get my head around how Peanuts HG or SW would effect SP... People wouldn't go see more than one? Why not see them all if one is interested, and it's not like all come out the same time, either. I do, of course, realize that there is a lot written all the time about how movies effect other movies' BO, but I just don't get it from the individual movie goers' perspective, and have often wondered how true those speculations really are. It just seems so weird to me. Somebody would skip Spectre just because Peanuts comes out? Or SW which comes out at Christmas? Eh?

    And what, Happy Feet did something to CR? Mean, mean penguins! (Damned cute, though...)
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
    edited November 2015 Posts: 4,116
    @Gustav_Graves

    You should do the chart for the Top 20 movies, then the picture looks a bit different :)
    Also if you omit SW the picture changes drastically.

    But it's entirely possible 2015 will be better than 2014, we'll see.
    When in 2014 the total BO was divided more evenly on many movies, in 2015 the gap between the most successful and the rest is much bigger. So if you look only to the top it seems 2015 is insane.

    Well, so far if I'm right the Top 100 movies of 2015 are 5.000.000.000 $ below 2014, there is 2 months to get back. China expansion has not yet compensate for the rest of the world diminishing "steadily" IIRC. You hear a lot about China expansion because not much elsewhere the movie industry has something nice to show to investors :)

    And yet well, is it really that meaningfull when in "2014" you don't count movie that did lots of business but were released in 2013, and you count movies that did most of the business in 2015 ?

    And don't forget, $ only accounts for a minority of the currencies of the box office now ! You look at very virtual figures with box offices.

    I'm a Bond fan, but I'll never spend a dollar to see SPECTRE believe me :)

    I'll buy your tickets then :D

  • edited November 2015 Posts: 1,098
    Tuulia wrote: »
    All this stuff about how other movies supposedly affect BO is both strange and fascinating. Like, um, Peanuts? Seriously? Ok... I bet that won't be a multi-screen sold out, running for months thingy here... Aren't the potential audiences somewhat different? Though what do I know about Peanuts, anyway. I have no interest in HG or SW, either, and neither do my friends, but I get those will be big. Won't people normally see more than one movie in a few week period, though? Are movies in the US, for instance, in theatres only for a very short while (for instance: SF stayed in my local for over 3 months... in the beginning multiple screens several times a day, by the end just one screen once a day, but anyway) or do people go to the movies so rarely that if they go one week, then they won't even consider next week, no matter what's out there? If I want to see a movie in theatre then I go see it, regardless of what else is out. If there are several movies out in a few weeks that I want to see then I go see them. And if there's nothing interesting out then I won't go even if it takes months (summers are usually bad, autumn and winter are busy movie-going-wise for me). I take it this isn't normal, then? Ok. I'm trying to get my head around how Peanuts HG or SW would effect SP... People wouldn't go see more than one? Why not see them all if one is interested, and it's not like all come out the same time, either. I do, of course, realize that there is a lot written all the time about how movies effect other movies' BO, but I just don't get it from the individual movie goers' perspective, and have often wondered how true those speculations really are. It just seems so weird to me. Somebody would skip Spectre just because Peanuts comes out? Or SW which comes out at Christmas? Eh?

    And what, Happy Feet did something to CR? Mean, mean penguins! (Damned cute, though...)

    True.......but we are talking about the opening weekend boxoffice, where lets say the parents of a family would be more likely to take their little monsters to see the Peanuts movie, rather than leaving them at home and going to see Spectre for themselves. Of course they may go to the theatre on another day to see SP.......its just that on any given day, there is always a choice of films to see.
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    mepal1 wrote: »
    Tuulia wrote: »
    All this stuff about how other movies supposedly affect BO is both strange and fascinating. Like, um, Peanuts? Seriously? Ok... I bet that won't be a multi-screen sold out, running for months thingy here... Aren't the potential audiences somewhat different? Though what do I know about Peanuts, anyway. I have no interest in HG or SW, either, and neither do my friends, but I get those will be big. Won't people normally see more than one movie in a few week period, though? Are movies in the US, for instance, in theatres only for a very short while (for instance: SF stayed in my local for over 3 months... in the beginning multiple screens several times a day, by the end just one screen once a day, but anyway) or do people go to the movies so rarely that if they go one week, then they won't even consider next week, no matter what's out there? If I want to see a movie in theatre then I go see it, regardless of what else is out. If there are several movies out in a few weeks that I want to see then I go see them. And if there's nothing interesting out then I won't go even if it takes months (summers are usually bad, autumn and winter are busy movie-going-wise for me). I take it this isn't normal, then? Ok. I'm trying to get my head around how Peanuts HG or SW would effect SP... People wouldn't go see more than one? Why not see them all if one is interested, and it's not like all come out the same time, either. I do, of course, realize that there is a lot written all the time about how movies effect other movies' BO, but I just don't get it from the individual movie goers' perspective, and have often wondered how true those speculations really are. It just seems so weird to me. Somebody would skip Spectre just because Peanuts comes out? Or SW which comes out at Christmas? Eh?

    And what, Happy Feet did something to CR? Mean, mean penguins! (Damned cute, though...)

    True.......but we are talking about the opening weekend boxoffice, where lets say the parents of a family would be more likely to take their little monsters to see the Peanuts movie, rather than leaving them at home and going to see Spectre for themselves. Of course they may go to the theatre on another day to see SP.......its just that on any given day, there is always a choice of films to see.

    Certainly. But it doesn't make a difference in the overall BO if people see the movie first week or the second (or later) as long as they see it, and if they're actually interested I don't see why they wouldn't. The movie is out in a lot of places already and in more places at the time it opens in the US - are the first weekend numbers in the US all that important? Do regular moviegoers care or pay attention to those numbers, or decide to go or not based on that? I would imagine not, but again, it's a strange world and I don't know how people decide what they go and see. (It's never really a decision between one or some other movie for me - on a particular day maybe, but overall not.) If reviews and word of mouth are good people who didn't go right away are more likely to go later, and the movie will have legs. I'd consider that more important than first weekend. People also talk about HG and SW possibly having an effect on Spectre despite them coming out later - and in the case of SW quite a lot later. I don't see why they would have an effect, but like I said I don't get this stuff anyway.

  • edited November 2015 Posts: 389
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    PS : Funny bias to see on IMDB for those who keep on talking about such rating sites and so on (well, they did with Skyfall at least).

    US Users : 6.8
    Non-US Users : 7.4

    Overall IMDB Users : 7.6

    You like SPECTRE more if you don't say where you vote from it seems :)

    There are very few votes from American registered people, so it´s a bit early to know. I am a European registered voter, but I am not registered by country or contient, so should I enjoy the movie more than the average user? ... :-/
  • New article, updated October 29th 2015:
    http://hubpages.com/entertainment/Spectra-Early-Box-Office-Projections
    Luckily for Spectre it has a nice one-month cushion till the release of what may be the highest grossing film of all time, Star Wars The Force Awakens. With this cushion, the film will have a large chunk of its business in the bank and will not be affected by that release. My early prediction for the film is an opening around $100 million, a domestic gross of $400 million, and a worldwide total of $1.2 billion.
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    The writer of this article basically says that $950 Million globally is a lock....and then it can go everywhere, with an absolute maximum of $1.4 Billion. But please take this guy's predictions with a grain of salt lol :-P.
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    Nice find 'Gustav' and i agree with the writer of the article, in that SW isn't really going to have an affect on SP, as when SW opens SP will be at the end of its run anyway, and would just be earnings tiny sums by then. HG though will affect SP to an extent, mainly in the North American market!
  • mepal1 wrote: »
    Nice find 'Gustav' and i agree with the writer of the article, in that SW isn't really going to have an affect on SP, as when SW opens SP will be at the end of its run anyway, and would just be earnings tiny sums by then. HG though will affect SP to an extent, mainly in the North American market!

    Yeah, but I think he's off with his prediction for the final domestic gross for "SPECTRE". And again....I need to see final theater counts.
  • Posts: 1,098
    mepal1 wrote: »
    Nice find 'Gustav' and i agree with the writer of the article, in that SW isn't really going to have an affect on SP, as when SW opens SP will be at the end of its run anyway, and would just be earnings tiny sums by then. HG though will affect SP to an extent, mainly in the North American market!

    Yeah, but I think he's off with his prediction for the final domestic gross for "SPECTRE". And again....I need to see final theater counts.

    Yes........i do think $400 mil is quite a stretch, and would be quite remarkable for a Bond film in the modern era.
    It really goes to show how big GF and TB were in the 60's in North America, where TB in particular grossed the equivalent today of over $600 mil, quite staggering when you consider the population of the USA in 1966 when the film was playing was around 200 mil, now in 2015 the US population is 320 mil. Sorry for excluding the Canadians on this matter! :)
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    I think it will do about $360 million in the US. I can't see it breaking $400.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    Posts: 23,883
    He is right about $950M being a given.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
    Posts: 9,020
    Don't forget that SF reached the billion on Dec. 31st.
    SP will not have a billion by the end of November!
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