SPECTRE: It grossed $880 Million Worldwide (..and 2015 was the biggest box office year so far)

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    Oh dear BO Mojo have dropped a big clanger again with their International BO section for SP...........apparently, according to themselves the Chinese BO take for the film is a whopping $301,370,000.......if only it were true!.........silly sods, i wonder when they will realize their mistake? :))
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
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    mepal1 wrote: »
    SP is doing a lot better, than many people realise.
    The current exchange rates are hurting the film quite a bit, in comparison to SF, but the film is still besting even that film in many markets.
    I have seen figures, where people have done exchange rate calculations on the current list of worldwide BO champs, and when SF's converted total is put into 2015 figures, it has been estimated that SF wouldn't of reached $1.1 bil today, in fact not even $1 bil, but somewhere around $980 mil.
    Of course it is all subjective, but it does show that overall SP is performing very well indeed. Shame about North America though.......but that's another story!

    I have a feeling SPECTRE will have decent legs in NA. It will probably end up around 200 million, IMO.

    Don't blame North America... they should've made a better film.

    But I did enjoy SP a lot ...not saying that. They just filmed an undeveloped script.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    An interesting Vanity Fair post from a week ago (outdated but it is an interesting read nonetheless).

    http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2015/11/james-bond-spectre-box-office
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  • I think 160-180 is a bit too conservative, even for me ... With thanksgiving and Christmas 180 is an easy gross to get.
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    I think 160-180 is a bit too conservative, even for me ... With thanksgiving and Christmas 180 is an easy gross to get.

    Exactly, way way too conservative. $300 Million won't be reached anymore. That is out of the question. But still, the domestic box office of "SPECTRE" is slightly more en route towards the "SKYFALL" amount, and less towards the "QUANTUM OF SOLACE" amount.

    I'd say a domestic box office figure north of $250 Million is absolutely possible at this stage.
    HASEROT wrote: »
    if SP didn't open up against Peanuts - it would've made more... Peanuts, naturally being geared towards kids, has taken a sizable chunk out of SP profits...

    That's always the case. James Bond had to battle for instance "Wreck-It Ralph" with "Skyfall" and "Happy Feet" with "Casino Royale'. And there's always an animated movie out there. "Inside Out" premiered one week after "Jurassic World". Movie industries know that during it's entire run there is at least one animated movie their real-life action film need to battle. Always. They already take this into account with their own predictions.

    And having said that, "SPECTRE" holds very well against "The Peanuts". Actually, that movie was slightly overrated during predictions as well. The movie is simply a bit too much nostalgia, and less well-known to kids audiences (like "Paddington" or "Shaun The Sheep").
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  • HASEROT wrote: »
    if SP didn't open up against Peanuts - it would've made more... Peanuts, naturally being geared towards kids, has taken a sizable chunk out of SP profits... it's almost similar to how Happy Feet was able to keep CR out of the top spot in the US - kids movies will always do good business, because it's 1 or 2 extra tickets sold per 1 child ticket - since parents are taking them... in comparison, SF had really no competition - Wreck It Ralph opened the week before.. then Twilight kicked it out of the top spot the following week.. but it was able to hold strong for a long time... time will ultimately tell if SP will have the same legs..... but it's doubtful - Mockingjay will hurt it enough, but when Star Wars opens in a month, it will decimate the box office for everyone.. that might be the death blow for SP.. but i digress..

    with Mockingjay Part 2 opening this weekend - i expect that box office number to be cut in half yet again... so probably between $15-$17 mil in it's 3rd weekend.... and then, Thanksgiving weekend may be a little kinder to Bond - it usually is.. it may get a little uptick.. perhaps $18-$20 million over that weekend.. but the Rocky Spinoff "Creed" is opening that weekend as well.. so it'll be interesting..

    i think when it's all said and done, SP will probably sit somewhere between $160 - $180 million here in US (except for SF, is right in line with the rest of Craig's films), and probably between $850-$900 million world wide - which was my early guesstimate a few months ago..

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    HASEROT wrote: »
    I think 160-180 is a bit too conservative, even for me ... With thanksgiving and Christmas 180 is an easy gross to get.

    Exactly, way way too conservative. $300 Million won't be reached anymore. That is out of the question. But still, the domestic box office of "SPECTRE" is slightly more en route towards the "SKYFALL" amount, and less towards the "QUANTUM OF SOLACE" amount.

    I'd say a domestic box office figure north of $250 Million is absolutely possible at this stage.
    HASEROT wrote: »
    if SP didn't open up against Peanuts - it would've made more... Peanuts, naturally being geared towards kids, has taken a sizable chunk out of SP profits...

    That's always the case. James Bond had to battle for instance "Wreck-It Ralph" with "Skyfall" and "Happy Feet" with "Casino Royale'. And there's always an animated movie out there. "Inside Out" premiered one week after "Jurassic World". Movie industries know that during it's entire run there is at least one animated movie their real-life action film need to battle. Always. They already take this into account with their own predictions.

    And having said that, "SPECTRE" holds very well against "The Peanuts". Actually, that movie was slightly overrated during predictions as well. The movie is simply a bit too much nostalgia, and less well-known to kids audiences (like "Paddington" or "Shaun The Sheep").

    but.... you are still not taking into the account...

    MockingJay Part 2.... Creed... and a little film called The Force Awakens... if you don't think the Hunger Games movie will eat in SP's box office - you are underestimating it's popularity.... Creed, while not as potent as Hunger Games, it still has a dedicated fan base being associated with the Rocky franchise... and oh yeah, Star Wars...

    $200 million domestically is believable... i dont see it right now, but hey, i could be wrong.... but $250 million in the US after all it has going against it?... i just don't see it... but hey, if i am wrong, i will eat crow and happily do it..... i want this film to make money lol.

    off course "Hunger Games" will eat off a big chunk from "SPECTRE". I take that into account. Still, usually "young adult adaptations" haven't got as strong a holdover, strong legs as 2D, real-life action films.

    "Skyfall" has proven that when "Twilight" premiered one week later. Young adult movies always open bigger than Bond, but they don't have the 'legs' that Bond have.

    Moreover, "Hunger Games" and "SPECTRE" draw in different audiences. And after next weekend "SPECTRE" will stabilize better.
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    mcdonbb wrote: »
    Don't blame North America... they should've made a better film.

    It's nothing new for Bond to do less well in the 'domestic' market and it's a stretch to say SF is the only Bond that couldn't be improved.



  • Cowley wrote: »
    mcdonbb wrote: »
    Don't blame North America... they should've made a better film.

    It's nothing new for Bond to do less well in the 'domestic' market and it's a stretch to say SF is the only Bond that couldn't be improved.

    Even "Skyfall", which did wonderful at the US box office with a total box office gross of $304 Million, wasn't as much loved as compared to other realistic comic book adaptations and 2D-real-life-action franchises, like "The Dark Knight" and "Furious 7".

    "The Dark Knight" grossed $535 Million (which was a huge improvement of "Batman Begins", which scored $208 Million in 2005). And even the slightly less critically acclaimed "The Dark Knight Rises" grossed $448 Million. Then there is "Furious 7", which grossed $353 Million.

    I always thought that "Skyfall" could make Bond the ruling 2D action franchise again in the USA. But even with "Skyfall" that was perhaps already too optimistic. The USA simply isn't as much 'in love' with Bond like the rest of the world. They now like their 'own' domestic 2D action franchises more.

    It's a rather 'normal' behaviour from the Americans really, a slightly build-in nationalism so to say.

    Another example is the car manufacturer General Motors for which I work. Opel is perceived is by many as the 'core brand' of the company. It's 'German design and quality' is loved across the globe. Even the Chinese love it more than...Buick or Cadillac. Still, GM decided to turn Buick into their global world brand :-).


    Anyway, to make a long story short: Despite the negativity, I am convinced "SPECTRE" will easily pass the $200 Million domnestically. I mean, come on, it has grossed already $129 Million after 9 days! These are not "Skyfall" numbers. But taking into account the very nature and box office breakdowns of young adult movies like "Hunger Games", I am pretty sure "SPECTRE" will have scored around $230 Million by December 18th (the day "Star Wars 7" premieres).

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    160? C'mon, it's at 130 now. After this weekend it will hit 150. So it will only make 10 more in its entire run? Crazy talk. It's hitting 200.
  • It'll hit $200 in the US. It's doing well, it's got this weekend, and then Thanksgiving is basically a five day weekend. Then it still has the Dec 4th and Dec 11th weekend to score well. It should be over 200 once Star Wars is out. And then? Well, it'll probably be on the smaller multiplex screens but it can still pull in a few million over Christmas and New Year. (Skyfall made $25 million from Dec. 21st onwards). And then it'll be in those sweet $1 theaters!

    Here's a chart of US Bond grosses, adjusted for inflation

    http://www.boxofficemojo.com/franchises/chart/?id=jamesbond.htm&adjust_yr=2015&p=.htm

    1 Thunderball UA $623,832,000
    2 Goldfinger UA $552,942,000
    3 Skyfall Sony $315,602,300
    4 You Only Live Twice UA $299,439,300
    5 Moonraker MGM $233,613,400
    6 Die Another Day MGM $230,050,800
    7 Tomorrow Never Dies MGM $224,439,200
    8 From Russia, with Love UA $222,371,000
    9 Diamonds Are Forever UA $221,487,900
    10 Casino Royale Sony $212,075,200
    11 The World Is Not Enough MGM $207,280,700
    12 GoldenEye MGM $203,528,900
    13 Quantum of Solace Sony $195,570,000
    ...
    21 Spectre Sony $128,981,285

    I think we really need to aim for SP to take the No.5 slot, ahead of Moonraker and DAD(!) Come on now we can't let Spectre lag behind DAD! What do you think? Doable? Only needs another $100 million and change.

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  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
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    Cowley wrote: »
    mcdonbb wrote: »
    Don't blame North America... they should've made a better film.

    It's nothing new for Bond to do less well in the 'domestic' market and it's a stretch to say SF is the only Bond that couldn't be improved.



    I didn't say that. But SF did connect more with North American audiences and critics.
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    HASEROT wrote: »
    I always thought that "Skyfall" could make Bond the ruling 2D action franchise again in the USA. But even with "Skyfall" that was perhaps already too optimistic. The USA simply isn't as much 'in love' with Bond like the rest of the world. They now like their 'own' domestic 2D action franchises more.

    It's a rather 'normal' behaviour from the Americans really, a slightly build-in nationalism so to say.

    i think thats a rather arrogant and stuffy way at looking at americans - such as myself....

    James Bond is just as popular and relevant now here as he's ever been in recent years, if not more so... there are a lot of things that factor into SP's box office take right now - beyond some sort of misplaced nationalism -"Bond isn't American, I don't give a f*ck unless it's American.", as you so flippantly suggest... maybe i shouldn't be taking as much offense to that comment as i should - but it came as sounding very snobbish, ignorant, and arrogant....

    Bond was #1 here for 2 weeks in a row, and opened really well... and if you look at box office returns throughout the history of the franchise - it's projecting to be right on par with the rest of Craig's Bond films, if not better than average.... there hasn't ever been drastic drop off here in the US since probably the end of the Moore era and into the Dalton era... if it can reach $250 million here in the US, like you think it could - it would be the 2nd highest grossing Bond film of all time here - with inflation adjusted, it would be 5th highest... that's pretty damn impressive.... you will never see Bond's US domestic total ever be greater than it's world wide total, or even come close to matching it - thats a pipe dream that isn't realistic... if SP was only sitting at $80 million right now, then i'd agree that perhaps the popularity is waining a bit... but no, it's not - so i wont even entertain that notion..

    It's not my intention to be arrogant or stuffy. Fact is.....Bond doesn't connect as well with American audiences as compared to blockbuster franchises like "The Fast & The Furious" and "The Dark Knight". The facts are based on simple box office figures. I think Bond is more popular in Europe. Back in my country Netherlands 'Bond' can easily destroy, IMO weak, blockbusters like "Fast & Furious", several Marvel films, including the weak "Avengers 2" and "Jurassic World".

    There used to be a decade when Bond was immensely big in the USA: The 1960's. And "Skyfall" came close to that popularity. But even "Skyfall" did not came close enough apparently. Through the decades Hollywood found some perfect 'replacement' franchises that can even do better than Bond.

    In Europe however, Bond always stayed big....
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    @Gustav_Graves

    You are right.
    Spectre sold more tickets in Switzerland in 4 days than Avengers Age Of Ultron in its entire run.
    And Avengers still is a Top 10 movie in 2015 here!
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    Spectre's opening attracted 9.8 million Chinese to see the film on the first 3 days, according to a report from 'THR'.

    Regarding SP in North America...........the film has still got a long way to go yet before its run is finished.........some members here are just estimating SP's BO gross, as though the film will be finished is a couple of weekends time. Plus don't forget the film is actually playing during the week as well, so don't forget to take that into account as well. ;)
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    mepal1 wrote: »
    Spectre's opening attracted 9.8 million Chinese to see the film on the first 3 days, according to a report from 'THR'.

    Regarding SP in North America...........the film has still got a long way to go yet before its run is finished.........some members here are just estimating SP's BO gross, as though the film will be finished is a couple of weekends time. Plus don't forget the film is actually playing during the week as well, so don't forget to take that into account as well. ;)

    SPECTRE will smash the SF total in the first five days! Looks like it could be China to the rescue this time. =D>
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    mepal1 wrote: »
    Spectre's opening attracted 9.8 million Chinese to see the film on the first 3 days, according to a report from 'THR'.

    Regarding SP in North America...........the film has still got a long way to go yet before its run is finished.........some members here are just estimating SP's BO gross, as though the film will be finished in a couple of weekends time. Plus don't forget the film is actually playing during the week as well, so don't forget to take that into account as well. ;)

    SPECTRE will smash the SF total in the first five days! Looks like it could be China to the rescue this time. =D>

  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    mcdonbb wrote: »
    I didn't say that. But SF did connect more with North American audiences and critics.
    True.......and it connected more with me (a former UK national) and many on this thread as well.

    Roger Moore connected very well with US audiences for the most part. So did Pierce Brosnan and Sean Connery. George Lazenby and Timothy Dalton not so much.

    I think with Daniel Craig, it's more on a film by film basis. I don't see US audiences being crazy over him, but they don't dislike him either. It's more about the film.

    Regarding Dark Knight vs. Skyfall comparisons - I think in both cases the villain really connected. I think that's a huge part of a film's success in the US. Even Die Hard really connected on account of its villain (although that film is a classic on so many other levels as well).

    As has been said on other threads here even, many felt that Waltz was wasted in this film, as was Hinx. If they were used more effectively, and if Waltz was more flamboyant, this film would be doing much bigger business than it is in the US (where it is performing at 'trendline' inflation adjusted for Bond films excluding SF).
  • I am in the middle of the road. 160-180 is too conservative, because at the end of the week SP will have grossed about150 million, maybe a bit more. However, 200+ million is going to be difficult with Hunger Games, Star Wars and Pixar around.
    I would say 175-200 million in North America, 800-900 million worldwide.
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    SP had an estimated take of around $4.5 mil on Tuesday......in China...........will surpass SF's total gross Weds.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    mepal1 wrote: »
    SP had an estimated take of around $4.5 mil on Tuesday...........will surpass SF's total gross Weds.
    I think you mean QoS or CR no?
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    bondjames wrote: »
    mepal1 wrote: »
    SP had an estimated take of around $4.5 mil on Tuesday...........will surpass SF's total gross Weds.
    I think you mean QoS or CR no?

    I think he means SF's total gross in China.
  • Posts: 1,098
    I am in the middle of the road. 160-180 is too conservative, because at the end of the week SP will have grossed about150 million, maybe a bit more. However, 200+ million is going to be difficult with Hunger Games, Star Wars and Pixar around.
    I would say 175-200 million in North America, 800-900 million worldwide.

    What everyone is forgetting, is that obviously there are new stronger film attractions coming along...........but SP will still be in theatres, upto at least early New Year.

  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    mepal1 wrote: »
    SP had an estimated take of around $4.5 mil on Tuesday...........will surpass SF's total gross Weds.
    I think you mean QoS or CR no?

    I think he means SF's total gross in China.
    Ok. Thanks. I misunderstood.
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    I mean SP should pass SF's total gross in China.....tomorrow!

    I'am getting the figures from Chinese people who have links to the film industry there..........and so far they have been 100% accurate. :)
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