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Killing Snoke MAKES Kylo Ren the major antagonist, and that puts IX in a position that is unique from ROTJ where Kylo Ren is the top dog rather than a subservient. How is that bad storytelling? Is it just because it's setting up a different dynamic from the formula of the OT that makes it bad?
Except you would effectively deny the character his story by cutting him out. But if you don't care for Finn and him coming around on becoming a part of the resistance and how his arc thematically mirrors Luke's, then I can see your point.
But they're so delicious. ;)
Then it just sounds like you didn't even pay attention to TLJ. Hell, Poe and Finn get a lot more character development in that film than they ever did in the very previous film that introduced them.
I do think there was one too many, but the flaws of the prequels isn't that we don't know the backstory of Darth Maul. When ROTJ came out we didn't really know much about Palpatine beyond the fact that he turned Anakin to the dark side, and the film is perfectly fine as it is.
Luke: idealistic farm boy who yearns for adventure. We learn he has a dark family history. His family are murdered and he learns about the force from a mysterious knight who once knew his father, of whom he knows nothing. He ultimately rescues a princess, joins a rebellion, and destroys their base. Then seeks out a Jedi master, trains and ultimate confronts the ultimate evil in the galaxy and learns a terrible secret in the process. He sacrifices himself to avoid joining him but is rescued. Then he accepts his responsibility, confronts his father and during a moment of rage beats him. But he resists going down the dark path as his father did. His father then overthrows the emperor to save his son in one last act of kindness redeeming his character and brining an end to a beautiful 3 film story arc.
Finn:
Was really well set up in the Force awakens. But then just went to space Vegas, got arrested for double parking and flew about the galaxy. Oh and he road a space horse on a star destroyer. That’s pretty much it.
Even John boyega agrees
https://collider.com/john-boyega-reacts-star-wars-trilogy/amp/
TFA - Let’s kill Han
TLJ - Let’s kill Luke
TROS - Let’s kill Leia
It was like some odd fetish.
I think this is largely due to them making it up as they went along rather than having an outline for the arc of the trilogy from the outset - it's why Rey's arc is also all over the map.
Only if you weren't paying attention.
But I can concede that he was short changed in TROS.
That was the plan all along, I believe. The three big ones were coming back but one would die each time.
What exactly did we know about the Emperor in ROTJ? He was in control of the Empire and Vader answered to him up until Luke's life was in danger. Then he got chucked down a shaft that for no reason led directly to the Death Star's reactor.
What did we know about Snoke? He was in control of the First Order, personally turned Ben Solo to the dark side and made him Kylo Ren, who was his direct subordinate up until he gloated a bit too much about controlling everything and then Kylo killed him.
People like to act as if there's some massive amount of difference here, but the only difference is that Palpatinr was later explored in three other movies, but in 1983, that was it.
If Fisher hadn't passed away, I'm not sure Leia would have died too.
Bingo.
But from what I remember there were a ton of fans back in 2015 cooking up theories about Snoke, and the fact that the ST never even bothered to give an elaborate detail of his background really upset people.
I do wish TROS had never had that one shot of failed Snoke clones. That was the dumbest thing in the movie. "I made Snoke" was actually pretty sufficient in that you could interpret it as Snoke being another disciple of Palpatine secretly working for him. But whatever.
Erm - we witnessed darth Vaders conflict where he showed the first piece of vulnerability due to his need to obey the emperor on Endor. He betrayed his sons invitation to leave to take him to the Death Star
The emperor may have been mysterious but he drove a lot of the narrative.
And he wasn’t just thrown down a random shaft. He was torturing and killing the main protagonist in front of his father, which ultimately led to his redemption. This was crucial to the entire arc of the original trilogy.
That’s just for starters. I’d like to see anything In snokes story that lives up to that.
Phantom Menace: Jar Jar's accent. 3PO's origin.
Attack Of The Clones: Once Anakin was getting powerful, why didn't he just free his Mom by force before she got killed?
Revenge Of The Sith: Why all the flipping in air?
New Hope: Why didn't Leia's buns come undone in the garbage masher?
Empire Strikes Back: How come short range fighters like an X-Wing are suddenly FTL?
Return Of The Jedi: "Fly casual." WTH? ;)
The Force Awakens: Most of the film...
The Last Jedi: All of the film.
The Rise Of Skywalker: 101% of the film.
I thought all of the characters had lost the charm and appeal they had in the previous movie, the jokes felt laboured and not really very funny, and Mark Hamill is no replacement for Harrison Ford.
On paper I can totally see why TLJ is telling an interesting and original story, but I just didn't enjoy watching it.
TRoS isn't as original but it's more fun and more exciting. TFA is great stuff.
I've actually just this minute finished watching Rise of Skywalker again. It's a bit lightweight and doesn't really get you fired up like the top tier SW films do, but it yomps along and there's lots of adventure and daring do and spaceships and blasters, and it hits all of the things a SW film should do and it's well-paced: it's a Star Wars film. It's like a big cartoon, and I can't really understand being a Star Wars fan and not enjoying it: it is Star Wars.
It's also possibly the most gorgeous to look at- the photography in it is brilliant all the way through.
Given those three consist of my top three, I guess I just like my Star Wars slow and boring.
Obi-wan once thought as you did.
(just kidding)
In terms of the first three it's Empire, Jedi, Star Wars in that order for me, which I don't think is massively controversial.
ANH is a very important film, and TFA was basically a remake, but purely as a movie experience and not based on cultural importance, I'd say TFA is the better film.
I agree that ANH was vastly improved upon by the following 2 entries. My absolute favorite of those first 3 is Jedi, which I think gets some unnecessary flack from the fan base for some of the decisions made in that film. Empire comes in at close second for me, followed by ANH. But when taking into account all the films, I actually place ANH at #4, behind the 2003 Clone Wars, which I count as one film.
Yeah, funnily enough I have no issue with those other two films in the engagement department!
Seems reasonable. I lived through the whole period of 'Return of the Jedi is the worst film EVAH' silliness, and it's just not; it's good fun.
It's quite clunky compared to the others: Empire is so much slicker. Effects, production, direction and even the script has stepped up a bit by the time they get to the next ones. Plus it's a bit small scale, they only really have one quick adventure on the Death Star and that's about it.
That's interesting, I'd have said it's the beginning which is the slightly slower act, as there's quite a bit of standing around in Jabba's palace for a while. But it's a very entertaining film.
I always find it surprising how much more 80s it feels than the others, even though we're in a a galaxy far far away!
Maybe not darker, but at least as serious in overall tone. Ewoks messed up that expectation. Not for ME though....
Not for me either. The Ewoks were one of my favorite elements of the film. Especially how they were introduced
Ran out of money, or let that concept be ruined by the godawful Holiday Special
;)