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  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    007ClassicBondFan wrote: »
    NickTwentyTwo wrote: »
    There's possibly a heavy bias against Ewoks because of the rumors that Lucas wanted them to be Wookiees on Kashyyk and ran out of money (or something)? I feel like there was a time when I thought this and it tainted my view of Ewoks, but looking back, they actually weren't that bad at all.

    Ran out of money, or let that concept be ruined by the godawful Holiday Special
    ;)

    Lol what a treat. Watched that one again recently, and also the new lego Star Wars holiday special which also wasn’t that fantastic.
  • 007ClassicBondFan007ClassicBondFan
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    NickTwentyTwo wrote: »
    007ClassicBondFan wrote: »
    NickTwentyTwo wrote: »
    There's possibly a heavy bias against Ewoks because of the rumors that Lucas wanted them to be Wookiees on Kashyyk and ran out of money (or something)? I feel like there was a time when I thought this and it tainted my view of Ewoks, but looking back, they actually weren't that bad at all.

    Ran out of money, or let that concept be ruined by the godawful Holiday Special
    ;)

    Lol what a treat. Watched that one again recently, and also the new lego Star Wars holiday special which also wasn’t that fantastic.

    I haven’t been able to bring myself to watch the Lego Holiday Special, nor have I been able to revisit the original as well.

    I honestly believe the rumors that Lucas tried to destroy every copy of the original Holiday Special. I would too if I were him.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    I rewatched the Sequel Trilogy over the week. I'm not going to lie: I enjoyed them. TFA was fan service done right, while setting the stage right. TLJ took risks, and felt fresh. TROS was just fun on it's own, mixing fan service with risks. For what they could have done better, planning in advance for storylines. I know Carrie Fisher dying and Colin Trevorrow getting fired didn't help TROS. Mark Hamill didn't get a fair deal. I think Trevorrow would have taken more risks. I did enjoy Daisy Ridley as Rey, and her overall story arc. I don't think we've seen the last of Rey for now. Lando should have had more screentime, but I'm happy with what we got, as we can get more.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    007ClassicBondFan wrote: »
    NickTwentyTwo wrote: »
    007ClassicBondFan wrote: »
    NickTwentyTwo wrote: »
    There's possibly a heavy bias against Ewoks because of the rumors that Lucas wanted them to be Wookiees on Kashyyk and ran out of money (or something)? I feel like there was a time when I thought this and it tainted my view of Ewoks, but looking back, they actually weren't that bad at all.

    Ran out of money, or let that concept be ruined by the godawful Holiday Special
    ;)

    Lol what a treat. Watched that one again recently, and also the new lego Star Wars holiday special which also wasn’t that fantastic.

    I haven’t been able to bring myself to watch the Lego Holiday Special, nor have I been able to revisit the original as well.

    I honestly believe the rumors that Lucas tried to destroy every copy of the original Holiday Special. I would too if I were him.

    I would say, just don’t.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    The Lego Holiday Special was pretty fun. It’s basically the Star Wars version of a Christmas Carol as it has Rey visiting different eras of the films meeting Anakin, Luke, etc. Unlike the original two hour special from 1978, the new one is 44 mins, which is just about the right length it should be.

    It’s even more fun watching with kid relatives.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Is it two hours? I tried to watch it once but it just goes on and on.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    The original Holiday Special was one hell of a trippy experience, oh my. Assuming that not every parent was quite aware of what SW was back then, imagine the look on their faces when they saw the opening five minutes of this show, with nothing but Wookies making all sorts of crazy sounds. Not to mention some completely nuts hologram dancing and singing. :D
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    It’s clearly a product of cocaine.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    The Lego Holiday Special was pretty fun. It’s basically the Star Wars version of a Christmas Carol as it has Rey visiting different eras of the films meeting Anakin, Luke, etc. Unlike the original two hour special from 1978, the new one is 44 mins, which is just about the right length it should be.

    It’s even more fun watching with kid relatives.

    I don’t really see how it’s a riff on A Christmas Carol (unless you count all the characters as an army of ghosts from christmases past). There are some cool things in there for Star Wars fans and one or two jokes that land, but ultimately moves way too fast from any one thing to the next which fits nicely into the current TikTok/social media world kids live in.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    That’s why I said it’s a riff rather than a straight up adaptation of it. It’s basically the kind of story that a candy sugared up kid after would get a kick out of. Given that it’s a Lego production, it’s fitting.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    It’s clearly a product of cocaine.

    Plus both Luke and Leia appear to have been dosed with something as they were kidnapped and brought to the studio.
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    mtm wrote: »
    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    It’s clearly a product of cocaine.

    Plus both Luke and Leia appear to have been dosed with something as they were kidnapped and brought to the studio.

    Carrie Fisher admitted to being on drugs the entire production.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Yes I think I've read that somewhere to be honest. It was probably the only way to get through the bits where they made her sing the Star Wars theme!
  • Matt007Matt007
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    Am I right in thinking this was filmed just after mark hamills car crash. His make up on the version I’ve seen is very heavy.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I don't think his car crash was ever as bad as the stories over the years have made it out to be.
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    It was filmed shortly after the crash, however.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    edited January 2021 Posts: 7,586
    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    That’s why I said it’s a riff rather than a straight up adaptation of it. It’s basically the kind of story that a candy sugared up kid after would get a kick out of. Given that it’s a Lego production, it’s fitting.

    Ok, fair enough, I still don’t see it. I agree with you that it’s perfect for a sugared up kid, lol. As a Lego fan myself, I can see why they’d made something for kids, but they’re very good at making content that’s satisfying for adults as well (all the lego Star Wars games, the lego movies 1 and 2 for example). That’s why I felt a little disappointed by it.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Yeah Lego animations are very curious because they all look the same, but then you get the funny stuff and then the more straight-to-video slightly cheaper naff stuff, and it's hard to tell which is being pitched at who by just looking at it. They even have DC ones featuring a Lego Batman who isn't the Lego Batman, if you know what I mean.
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    mtm wrote: »
    Yeah Lego animations are very curious because they all look the same, but then you get the funny stuff and then the more straight-to-video slightly cheaper naff stuff, and it's hard to tell which is being pitched at who by just looking at it. They even have DC ones featuring a Lego Batman who isn't the Lego Batman, if you know what I mean.

    Those were around before that Lego Batman. Lego stuff is hit and miss, but I generally find Lego Star Wars stuff hits a little more because there are details you need to watch for that are jokes in and of themselves.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    mtm wrote: »
    I don't think his car crash was ever as bad as the stories over the years have made it out to be.

    Oh yeah it was. It fundamentally changed his appearance, which is why they made a point of the recovery from the Wampa confrontation on Hoth in Empire.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited January 2021 Posts: 16,573
    chrisisall wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    I don't think his car crash was ever as bad as the stories over the years have made it out to be.

    Oh yeah it was. It fundamentally changed his appearance, which is why they made a point of the recovery from the Wampa confrontation on Hoth in Empire.

    Not really, that's the way the story has gone for years but Hamill himself has said those stories have been exaggerated over time. Apparently those scenes weren't written to cover any perceived change in his appearance, according to Lucas.
    I think he broke his nose but otherwise he doesn't look any different, apart from losing a bit of weight.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    mtm wrote: »
    chrisisall wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    I don't think his car crash was ever as bad as the stories over the years have made it out to be.

    Oh yeah it was. It fundamentally changed his appearance, which is why they made a point of the recovery from the Wampa confrontation on Hoth in Empire.

    Not really, that's the way the story has gone for years but Hamill himself has said those stories have been exaggerated over time. Apparently those scenes weren't written to cover any perceived change in his appearance, according to Lucas.

    Advice from an old tracker: use your eyes. ;) It may have been exaggerated from the initial story reported in People Magazine in 1977, but no, he did NOT lose his nose. Bone damage was fairly evident though.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    chrisisall wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    chrisisall wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    I don't think his car crash was ever as bad as the stories over the years have made it out to be.

    Oh yeah it was. It fundamentally changed his appearance, which is why they made a point of the recovery from the Wampa confrontation on Hoth in Empire.

    Not really, that's the way the story has gone for years but Hamill himself has said those stories have been exaggerated over time. Apparently those scenes weren't written to cover any perceived change in his appearance, according to Lucas.

    Advice from an old tracker: use your eyes. ;)

    Don't try to be patronising.
    chrisisall wrote: »
    It may have been exaggerated from the initial story reported in People Magazine in 1977, but no, he did NOT lose his nose. Bone damage was fairly evident though.

    Lost his nose? Eh?

    By using my eyes I can tell you it wasn't all that much as being 'fundamentally changed', no.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    mtm wrote: »

    Don't try to be patronising.
    Sorry, trying to be funny with a line from "Serenity".

    I am a worm. ("Highlander")
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Hamill actually had the car crash shortly after principal photography on the original SW in January 1977. He was supposed to do a pick up shot but a double was used for that instance. So by the time the Holiday Special had been shooting he was already well healed. Here’s how he appeared during the Star Wars premiere, four months after the crash.

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  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Ugh! It’s grotesque!! :D
  • 007ClassicBondFan007ClassicBondFan
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    I’ve personally never noticed any damages from Hamil’s car crash, but that’s just me.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    007ClassicBondFan wrote: »
    I’ve personally never noticed any damages from Hamil’s car crash, but that’s just me.

    Me too. Even in the sequel trilogy, he doesn’t look like he’s aged much. Aside from the beard and his hair.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    Hamill actually had the car crash shortly after principal photography on the original SW in January 1977. He was supposed to do a pick up shot but a double was used for that instance. So by the time the Holiday Special had been shooting he was already well healed. Here’s how he appeared during the Star Wars premiere, four months after the crash.

    5a58b4d7dcc23f5e891c47ff697f1d5b.jpg

    Crazy! I'm one who definitely thought his accident injuries were much worse.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    I think the urban legend was heightened due to TESB featuring Luke get a facial injury, the assumption that was added to the script to “explain” why Luke’s face is different.
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