Star Wars (1977 - present)

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  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Joel McNeely would be good. He did the score to the Shadows of the Empire expanded universe material. He's got the Williams touch.


  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Jup, I've read that name too. Should I know mister Desplat?

    Or this:
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    Biggs might be in rogue one. Or so does some people speculate.


    http://movieweb.com/star-wars-rogue-one-diego-luna-biggs-darklighter/

    That character / actor does have similar look. So who knows.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Desplat comes with impressive credentials. I'm on board.
    I agree with @Murdock, though. If they can get McNeely, I'll be even happier. His score for The Avengers (1998) compels me to watch that film time and again.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    SharkBait wrote: »
    Biggs might be in rogue one. Or so does some people speculate.


    http://movieweb.com/star-wars-rogue-one-diego-luna-biggs-darklighter/

    That character / actor does have similar look. So who knows.

    Jar Jar Biggs, that is?
  • Posts: 2,107
    Yeah, Jar Jar Biggs, Luke Skywalker's pal from Star Wars.
  • edited December 2015 Posts: 533
    Oh, never knew that. CR 67 has so many celebrities before and behind the camera, it is uncanny. By all tokens, it should have been great. But it was shit.


    I thought most of CR 67 was pretty good. But the movie fell apart when it shifted to Casino Royale again for the finale sequence. And that is when it became shit.



    I agree- I feel like we're gonna see some Jason Bourne stuff coming out of Rey next time around. "The Force Awakens', after all


    Oh God. Hasn't Rey been idealized enough? What is she going to do next? Walk on water?
  • Jeremy Bulloch played Q's assistant Smithers during his tenure as Bobba Fett, didn't he? On FYEO and OP (driving Bond to Sotheby's?)... And he was the very first person to appear on TSWLM, playing chess in the British submarine... Does he appear in MR?
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    This isn't a spectre bash particularly. But the similarities between the franchises and their legacy both to their fan base and the wider viewing public have some parallels. Also, the two films themselves seem to walk a similar path in terms of nostalgia, and fan service.

    But to me TFA achieves is a much more satisfying film.

    TFA although on paper is probably less original than Spectre, but for some reason when viewing the films it feels the other way round.

    Canon. The way SW references it's canonical past feels more appropriate and intelligent. It may be not always subtle, but the audacity and entertainment value of some scenes are classic. In fact I was trying to pick a favourite scene and found it near impossible due to the quality of everything on offer. It feels effortless.

    Music. The music is a huge part of the experience. John Williams brought the right cues at the right time. I felt newmans score was really weak, and I am a lover of his skyfall score.

    Villains. You can't have a decent bond with out allowing a significant portion of screen time to his antagonist. To root for bond and to understand his motivations. Just throwing crammed information out there in the last 20 minutes isn't the way to do it. With Kylo ren we learned more and more as the movie played. I thought he was a great villain, and there is real scope for the character to grow.

    Humour. Star Wars is a funny film but wisely JJ Abrams nearly always undercuts the humour with a serious point straight after or a moment of pathos. It works in terms of changing the tone immediately so we aren't in a gag fest. And the humour isn't gags, unlike the 'atmosphere' button. How did that get through test screening?

    Star Wars felt relaxed and confident. Spectre did in part but overall there was an insecurity running through it as one reference was piled on top of another with little clarity and logic.

    I felt spectre was a 3/5 film. Kind of like diet coke. Artificial but kind of satisfying. Ish. Star Wars wasn't perfect but in entertainment terms was damn near. 4.5/5

    It's not There Will be Blood, but it's a fun ride.

    What do you all think?
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    @Matt007, I agree with you. Well said.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    @Matt007, good points. I personally agree with your premise and everything you said.

    If I could sum up my view, for me it's all about the execution. TFA was just executed very well - they knew how to tell the story in an engaging manner and got great performances out of their cast, which added to the believability. This is something that the prequels didn't do.

    Sure it was derivative, but if you tell the story well enough and use everything that the medium (sound, visuals, character interactions, dialogue, flow, pace) has to offer, you can still captivate the majority of the audience. In such instances, most can suspend disbelief, myself included, because it becomes an emotional experience as much as an intellectual one.

    As I said earlier in this thread, it's not what you say and do (most of it has been done before anyway somewhere), but how you say and do it. A question of finesse. TFA nailed that aspect, at least for me. It didn't feel like a series of random plot points / tropes thrown together to get to a finish line and satiate the hardcore fanbase (even though it very well might have been), but rather as a whole, integrated product. Storytelling 101 I would think.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
    edited December 2015 Posts: 11,139
    bondjames wrote: »
    @Matt007, good points. I personally agree with your premise and everything you said.

    If I could sum up my view, for me it's all about the execution. TFA was just executed very well - they knew how to tell the story in an engaging manner and got great performances out of their cast, which added to the believability. This is something that the prequels didn't do.

    Sure it was derivative, but if you tell the story well enough and use everything that the medium (sound, visuals, character interactions, dialogue, flow, pace) has to offer, you can still captivate the majority of the audience. In such instances, most can suspend disbelief, myself included, because it becomes an emotional experience as much as an intellectual one.

    As I said earlier in this thread, it's not what you say and do (most of it has been done before anyway somewhere), but how you say and do it. A question of finesse. TFA nailed that aspect, at least for me. It didn't feel like a series of random plot points / tropes thrown together to get to a finish line and satiate the hardcore fanbase (even though it very well might have been), but rather as a whole, integrated product. Storytelling 101 I would think.

    Succinctly put. See, where the Bond films since SF have sort of gone of course with what they set out to achieve with CR is to bring in familiar elements and retread a few staples in a meaningful, fleshed out and well told way. JW did this to a lessercextent butvdidca hettervjob with it than SP did and TFA did this brilliantly. It's frustrating that Bond after all this time and in this say and age either still have so much to learn or they just don't give that much of a damn. Goodwill can only get you so far but you still have to put the work in and deliver!

    EoN need to prioritise piecing together a fantastic script and bring in a composer who knows wtf movie they're scoring. Jurassic World got Michael Giachinno who put his own stamp while paying homage to Williams' iconic sound. For TFA awakens, Williams delivered yet again as per usual and I'm pretty sure desolate who has taken over scoring duties from Williams for tge Harry Potter movies will do another incredible job for Rogue One. Newman's work on Bond is largely absolute trash. Bring in someone who can bring in the magic of what Barry brought to the series as the music for Bond is equally important as everything else and considering OHMSS, one may argue its the second most important component after having a great script.

    On another note, it's no surprise that...

    Star Wars: The Force Awakens added yet another $29.5 million domestically and $37.7 million overseas on Tuesday for a total of $67.2 million for the day. The Lucasfilm release has now earned $600.9 million in North America and $627.4 million internationally for a worldwide total of $1.228 billion.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Next stand alone film is about a young Han Solo. The last isn t decided yet, as far as I know.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    You mean after Rogue One?
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Yes, after ep. VIII.
  • edited December 2015 Posts: 11,189
    Just came back from watching it. Managed to hold off on hearing any spoilers - until this bloody morning :-w ~X(

    Overall a good film, even if it did suffer from Die Another Day syndrome a bit in terms of frequently referencing the earlier films.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    I'm currently watching The Holiday Special...

    What . The . Hell? :-O

    starwarsholidayspecial-harveykorman.jpg
    ^
    Cooking with Chewie's parents... as per this creature's instructions.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Princess Leia looked stoned in that title card. =))
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  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    edited December 2015 Posts: 45,489
    I have read that in 1980, there was a Star Wars Christmas album released, that managed to make the Holiday special seem great in comparison. Only cast member to participate was Anthony Daniels.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    edited December 2015 Posts: 24,173
    This is terrible. Even Lucas refuses to have anything to do with it. There's more dancing and singing in this than actual story. Ah well, I'm promised a really good Boba Fett animation so I'm looking forward to that part. Still an hour to go.

    EDIT: Rock music in the days of the Empire. I take it Jabba would be a fan of this.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    @DarthDimi, I hope the animation is worth your pain. :p
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    edited December 2015 Posts: 24,173
    I hope so too. This is pure torture. Han and Chewie are still fighting off Tie Fighters (i.e. they're replaying the same couple of seconds from the Falcon vs Tie Fighter dogfight in the '77 film.

    Ow, the animation begins. They mention Kazan!!! :D

    EDIT: Other than the Fett being here, I fail to see the point.

    EDIT²: This is worse than Grindhouse. The picture quality is ridiculously low and sudden reel jumps happen from time to time. The animated Han Solo looks like Silva after he pulled the false teeth out in Skyfall. :P
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    I can't wait for your full thoughts on the animation section. :D
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    @Murdock, see my edits in the previous post. :)

    This is worse than those Ewok movies. :p
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    edited December 2015 Posts: 16,351
    @DarthDimi, poor guy, I've never been able to stomach watching the whole thing. i've seen plenty of reviews of it but it's just so bad! I remember seeing the Ewok movies as a kid and they both scared me as a child haha. And I agree, Han Solo looks frightening.
    star-wars-holiday-special-animated-cartoon.jpg
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    edited December 2015 Posts: 24,173
    C-3PO most of the time looks like a sex toy.
    The reason I'm watching this is because I can then enjoy this:
    http://www.nowplayingpodcast.com/

    EDIT: end titles rolling. I feel violated. This is absolutely terrible.
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    You made it further than I did. I believe I made it 15 minutes in.
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    Well I meant more in the sense of the movie itself- there were all these important new characters, who supposedly had already gone through a ton of important stuff, and w basically missed all of it
    If they could put all that history into facial expressions, I´d much prefer that over being told all the details. If it´s in their faces, that gives the film a whole lot more dimension.

  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    I gotta say, I've had a night to sleep over it and I'd almost give it another go. This thing is so embarrassing yet so deliciously bad at the same time. :P
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    Looks like George Lucas didn't like Episode 7.
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