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  • ForYourEyesOnlyForYourEyesOnly In the untained cradle of the heavens
    edited April 2016 Posts: 1,984
    RotJ might be damaged by the Ewoks, but the scenes with the Emperor, Vader and Luke on the Death Star are unquestionably among the best in the series. I'd argue Luke's duel with Vader there is even better than the one in ESB, and the revelation that comes after with Luke comparing his hand to Vader's, while not as shocking as "I am your father", is more powerful, and the strength of the scene is noticeable each and every time you watch it - unlike the "I am your father one", which is only powerful the first time you see it, and its strength is damaged by all the memes and jokes on the Internet.

    But ESB's the best film in terms of consistent quality.
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
    Posts: 12,515
    Return of the Jedi is pretty great IMO. The Ewoks didn't even bug me too much. Every installment of the original trilogy is very good, and personally I really like Revenge of the Sith.
  • ForYourEyesOnlyForYourEyesOnly In the untained cradle of the heavens
    Posts: 1,984
    RotS is far better than the other two, that's for sure.
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
    Posts: 12,515
    Yeah. I can still say I like Force Awakens much more than Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones. I'm actually liking it more this watch than the first time.
  • ForYourEyesOnlyForYourEyesOnly In the untained cradle of the heavens
    edited April 2016 Posts: 1,984
    TPM and AotC's action was more... mindless, if you will. There for pure thrills. In RotS, we do get some mindless action, but we also get some spectacular metaphors. Palpatine annihilating the Senate in his fight with Yoda is a symbol for the destruction of democracy, for example. His casual throwing of the Senate pods symbolizes how easily he would throw away people's wills and words for the sake of his own power and supremacy.

    It was the first time we had gotten that since RotJ's duel between Luke and Vader.
  • MayDayDiVicenzoMayDayDiVicenzo Here and there
    Posts: 5,080
    Speaking of RotS, here's a controversial opinion-

    The opening of RotS is exhilarating and better than any action sequence in TFA. I love how we are thrown into the action from the get-go.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    MayDayDiVicenzo wrote: »
    Speaking of RotS, here's a controversial opinion-

    The opening of RotS is exhilarating and better than any action sequence in TFA. I love how we are thrown into the action from the get-go.
    It's not bad at all, but to paraphrase Highlander- "There can BE only THREE."
    :)>-
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited April 2016 Posts: 23,883
    It's a great opening for sure. Very intense. However, there still remains one serious impediment to true everlasting greatness: Hayden
  • fire_and_icefire_and_ice
    Posts: 6,432
    I do like ROTS it is tainted by the other two films, Sith has some great moments that far exceed anything in TFA, TFA is a tighter film though.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    valentinzukovsky wrote: »
    Just watched Episode IV,really enjoyed it. Episodes V and VI downloading now.

    That's good, hopefully you enjoy the latter two. I'd love to go back and rewatch the original trilogy for the first time.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
    edited April 2016 Posts: 9,020
    Comparing Revenge Of The Sith to The Force Awakens is like comparing Vodka Martini to lemonade.
    Both is delicious but only one is for adults.
  • fire_and_icefire_and_ice
    Posts: 6,432
    I think only one of those films actually exists.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    fire_and_ice wrote: »
    I think only one of those films actually exists.

    ;) right you are, corrected it
  • fire_and_icefire_and_ice
    Posts: 6,432
    BondJasonBond006 wrote: »
    fire_and_ice wrote: »
    I think only one of those films actually exists.

    ;) right you are, corrected it

    ;) Sorry could not resist.
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
    Posts: 4,043
    ROTS is far from an adult film, Lucas was clearly looking at kids with those prequels hence why they were all like over extended toy commercials lacking soul with an over abundance of green screen and CGI.

    This is what the majority of blockbusters is now, all your beloved comic book franchises, it makes my head hurt, I remember watching the first Avengers film, the last 30 minutes is just CGI and noise, that is the prequels legacy for you there.

    I can't stand the prequels, they weren't made for old school SW fans whereas despite it's short comings TFA was.

    Episode VIII will be the real tester if they rehash things then and I'll acknowledge it but I think TFA can get a free pass because it felt like Star Wars and had a heart which was severely lacking in the prequels and was so much better than SPECTRE.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited April 2016 Posts: 23,883
    I agree. For me, TFA had heart because the emotional moments primarily relate to and draw from the original cast members. I'm referring to Luke (at the end), Leia (in her first meeting with Han) and Han himself (his death as well as the first time we see him enter the Falcon). That was a smart move on Disney and Abram's part, because they used the original characters, who they knew we would relate to best, to create the emotional connection & resonance.

    In the prequels, there were several important and tragic events that take place, but most revolved around that clown Christensen, who couldn't sell it (and quite frankly butchered the moment). That's why, for me, the most impactful moments in the prequels are still the death of Qui-Gon Jinn (Neeson had the gravitas to sell it) and the appearance of Darth Vader at the end of RoTS.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    bondjames wrote: »
    I agree. For me, TFA had heart because the emotional moments primarily relate to and draw from the original cast members. I'm referring to Luke (at the end), Leia (in her first meeting with Han) and Han himself (his death as well as the first time we see him enter the Falcon). That was a smart move on Disney and Abram's part, because they used the original characters, who they knew we would relate to best, to create the emotional connection & resonance.

    In the prequels, there were several important and tragic events that take place, but most revolved around that clown Christensen, who couldn't sell it (and quite frankly butchered the moment). That's why, for me, the most impactful moments in the prequels are still the death of Qui-Gon Jinn (Neeson had the gravitas to sell it) and the appearance of Darth Vader at the end of RoTS.

    Yes, total agreement here!
  • ForYourEyesOnlyForYourEyesOnly In the untained cradle of the heavens
    Posts: 1,984
    Order 66 was good. Christensen wasn't involved, so it shouldn't be a problem for most of you.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
    edited April 2016 Posts: 9,020
    You just can't exclude a whole generation of people that have grown up to Episode I to III
    Those films were highly successful and they are far from being hated like they obviously are hated on here.

    Sure Episode I didn't impress me much, I found young Anakin but especially JJBinks obnoxious. But Episode II and III are great and excited a whole generation of movie goers. They are so good, that even Episode I wasn't regarded as so weak anymore in retrospect.

    Some of you act like it was common knowledge that those 3 movies are crap or generally disliked or whatever. It's just not so.

    Personally I only got to know the originals when they came to the cinema with new special effects and enhanced in 1997/1998. I liked them of course but I couldn't see that big a difference in quality to the next three movies.
    I can see that the original trilogy are timeless classics and of course they will always be loved for that fact.

    TFA clearly is aimed at the Disney Channel generation that grew up to iCarly, Zack & Cody, etc.
    That's not a criticism, just saying. The cast is so clearly chosen after the same pattern, casting was made for franchises like Hunger Games, Maze Runner, Divergent etc.

    For me that is not what I expected from a new Star Wars movie.
    Episode I to III had actors like Liam Neeson, EwanMcGregor, Christopher Lee, Samuel L.Jackson, Natalie Portman, Jimmy Smiths, Temuera Morrison, etc.

    TFA has?????....the old crew for nostalgia and quite frankly without Ford the movie would have crashed and burned.
    The next one will have to bring a considerably better cast.
    (Oscar Isaac is the only ray of hope in TFA)

    TFA is a very well made great Sci-Fi movie, that's for sure. I bought the steelbook and I will re-watch it regularly.
    Maybe I can compare it to QOS. Also quite disappointing back then as a Bond movie I still could enjoy it immensely for the mindless action roller-coaster it is.
    Having said that QOS is of course miles better than TFA.
  • JawsIsAliveJawsIsAlive
    Posts: 233
    BondJasonBond006 wrote: »
    You just can't exclude a whole generation of people that have grown up to Episode I to III
    Those films were highly successful and they are far from being hated like they obviously are hated on here.

    Sure Episode I didn't impress me much, I found young Anakin but especially JJBinks obnoxious. But Episode II and III are great and excited a whole generation of movie goers. They are so good, that even Episode I wasn't regarded as so weak anymore in retrospect.

    Some of you act like it was common knowledge that those 3 movies are crap or generally disliked or whatever. It's just not so.

    Personally I only got to know the originals when they came to the cinema with new special effects and enhanced in 1997/1998. I liked them of course but I couldn't see that big a difference in quality to the next three movies.
    I can see that the original trilogy are timeless classics and of course they will always be loved for that fact.

    TFA clearly is aimed at the Disney Channel generation that grew up to iCarly, Zack & Cody, etc.
    That's not a criticism, just saying. The cast is so clearly chosen after the same pattern, casting was made for franchises like Hunger Games, Maze Runner, Divergent etc.

    For me that is not what I expected from a new Star Wars movie.
    Episode I to III had actors like Liam Neeson, EwanMcGregor, Christopher Lee, Samuel L.Jackson, Natalie Portman, Jimmy Smiths, Temuera Morrison, etc.

    TFA has?????....the old crew for nostalgia and quite frankly without Ford the movie would have crashed and burned.
    The next one will have to bring a considerably better cast.
    (Oscar Isaac is the only ray of hope in TFA)

    TFA is a very well made great Sci-Fi movie, that's for sure. I bought the steelbook and I will re-watch it regularly.
    Maybe I can compare it to QOS. Also quite disappointing back then as a Bond movie I still could enjoy it immensely for the mindless action roller-coaster it is.
    Having said that QOS is of course miles better than TFA.

    People really need to stop pretending that the prequels have any value whatsoever. I grew up on them like you, but they really are just terrible. If you can't tell the difference between the prequels and films like Star Wars or The Empire Strikes Back then that's a shame. I think watching these reviews will be really worth your time:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxKtZmQgxrI

    The original films had a largely unknown cast with some old thespians thrown in for good measure, pretty much exactly like TFA. It's a much better way of doing things than having the likes of Samuel L Jackson force his way through Lucas' embarrassing dialogue.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 41,009
    Not sure who people are discussing movies with when they believe Episodes I-III aren't generally despised/disliked by most.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    Posts: 16,358
    @BondJasonBond006, I'm really curious as to why you despise TFA so much. I mean, you loved Spectre which arguably takes a few pages from nostalgia Bond moments and putting a new spin on them. The Force Awakens does the same thing. So what do you really think? As someone who enjoyed SP and TFA, I'm curious. Though for extra points, No Disney Channel generation talk, just keep it on the movie please. :)
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
    Posts: 9,020
    Murdock wrote: »
    @BondJasonBond006, I'm really curious as to why you despise TFA so much. I mean, you loved Spectre which arguably takes a few pages from nostalgia Bond moments and putting a new spin on them. The Force Awakens does the same thing. So what do you really think? As someone who enjoyed SP and TFA, I'm curious. Though for extra points, No Disney Channel generation talk, just keep it on the movie please. :)

    I will PM you.
  • fire_and_icefire_and_ice
    edited April 2016 Posts: 6,432
    Watching Return of the Jedi with Collider movies commentary which is pretty good. Nothing compares to the original trilogy IMO.



    The guys have done good commentaries on all 7 movies.
  • fire_and_icefire_and_ice
    Posts: 6,432
    A channel on Youtube threw up the potential episode VIII title...
    Echoes of the Darkside

    Not convinced myself, what do people think are good potential titles for episode VIII?
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
    Posts: 7,854
    That's a good title, if it's true. I can't think of any myself. I occasionally write Star Wars fanfiction, and coming up with titles is in no way my strong suit.
  • fire_and_icefire_and_ice
    Posts: 6,432
    The title was attached to one of the Leaked Script videos, looking at previous titles they tend to have a word directly relating to Star Wars lore. Empire, Jedi, Clones, Sith, Force. So I suppose having Darkside in the title is not a stretch, though Something, something Darkside immediately popped in my head.

    Rise of the First Order is my best guess.

  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    Terror of the Dark just popped into my head for some reason. Might be a nice title.
  • fire_and_icefire_and_ice
    Posts: 6,432
    Sounds like old skool 30s serial title, would fit well. I am probably one of the few people who likes The Phantom Menace as a title, its safe to say that title would never be used if not for Lucas.
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    I don't honestly know of anyone who hates the title of The Phantom Menace, just people who hate the film.
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