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While I've yet to see 'Rogue One,' that one seems much more logical, detailing the events before the original trilogy. A spinoff of a young Han Solo, though, is absolutely unnecessary to me. There's no backstory to the character that I care to see.
My ratings of the films this is....
#1 A New Hope. Stand alone perfection.
#2 The Empire Strikes Back. Dark, character driven awesomeness.
#3 Return Of The Jedi. Hamill carries the film and single-handedly make it great.
#4 Rogue One. A truly amazing and devastating lead in to New Hope.
The following I consider expensive fan fiction level attempts....
#5 Revenge Of The Sith. Inventive and exciting.
#6 The Force Awakens. Convoluted but well executed.
#7 Clones. Watch it for Natalie.
#8 Phantom Menace. Watch it for Leeham.
We have the exact same ranking \m/
We have the exact same ranking.
Wait! Did you use a Jedi Mind Trick on me?
1) The Empire Strikes Back
2) A New Hope
3) The Force Awakens
4) Return of the Jedi
5) Revenge of the Sith
6) Rogue One (still not sure if I want to switch this with AOTC)
7) Attack of the Clones
8) The Phantom Menace
1. The Empire Strikes Back (perfection)
2. The Force Awakens (moving and entertaining even if Disney'esque)
3. A New Hope (classic, even if quite dated now)
4. Return of the Jedi (ending is off the charts - wraps it all up nicely)
5. Revenge of the Sith (Palpatine!)
6. Attack of the Clones (some decent moments, despite Hayden)
7. The Phantom Menace (dull, but that Maul fight at the end and the pod chase are fun)
8. Rogue One (did absolutely nothing for me. Sorry).
I pretty much agree with you on Rogue One. I don't put it at the very bottom but it's close. It was the first time I left a Star Wars movie feeling underwhelmed and disappointed, and I saw the PT in theaters. There are good things in it though. Like Vader, Tarkin, and Leia. It also has my favorite space battle of all the movies. But those couldn't save the movie as a whole for me.
The characters felt hollow and their struggle to get the Death Star plans seemed way too easy. Seriously, all they did was stroll into the base, steal the plans, climb the tower, and then uploaded the plans. There was no edge of your seat moments. The trailers had more of that!
There are some good moments in R1 no doubt, but ultimately, like with SP, I just find it dull overall (Vader fan wank notwithstanding). I look forward to watching it again on blu ray to see if I can reassess positively.
This is precisely what doesn't work for me. The originals adopted and retained that serial, pulpy feel - even Empire, despite it's ominous denouement - it was about action and adventure and there was a swashbuckling quality to it all. RO feels so tonally different to me, from Star Wars, that I find the decision to literally run from one to the next completely baffling. The concept of that gut punch, followed by the whimsically epic SW is just odd to me.
Other than the final battle, where's the adventure, where's the awe? The majority of it just felt too po-faced. SW is fantasy and the more you try to layer in the reality the more it loses its whimsical edge. The main stumbling block is that there are way too many characters. Build in three and make me give a shit about them. I don't care about a squad of disparate, vaguely motivated rebels. I actually kept forgetting character names as the film progressed - that's unforgivable.
Also, you need a Han (or equivalent) in there to lift the energy levels and spark some electricity between the other characters. It's all too ominous.
I perhaps didn't quite articulate that correctly. I don't think it should feature any sort of proto Han, just a character whose can switch the narrative up in a dynamic way. There's no real conflict within the group which is why it feels flat.
I get all that you guys are saying, and none of you are wrong at all. To ME, the only bright sparks in R1 come from the cool cameos, and Tarkin. It's basically a dark lead in to the actual trilogy, which c'mon face it, will never be topped. Yes, TFA was crackling with energy compared to R1, but the story was too contrived IMO. R1 was simple & direct. Steal the plans; pay the price.
Basically now, I have all the Star wars I really need. I have no desire to ever see TFA again, I'll see the next two theatrically just for Mark, and a young Han movie I'll probably skip altogether.
I'm completely with you on this. It's an idea that was flawed from the ground up.
Thankfully they decided against young Han in Revenge of the Sith
Han Solo film I am not keen on at this point.
2 - A New Hope
3 - Rogue One
4 - The Force Awakens
5 - Revenge of the Sith
6 - Return of the Jedi
7 - The Phantom Menace
8 - Attack of the Clones
:))
Thankfully they never got that far. I believe he was only in storyboards before they decided to not have him at the battle of Kashyyyk. Really, that would of been bad to have a kid Han Solo at that battle.
2. The Empire Strikes Back
3. Return of the Jedi
4. Revenge of the Sith
5. The Force Awakens
6. Rogue One
7. Attack of the Clones
8. The Phantom Menace
I do very much like all of them though.
1. Empire
2. Star Wars
3. Jedi
4. Sith
5. Rogue One :-O the last act is phenomenal.
6. Menace
7. Clones
8. Awakens
Hayden gets alot of stick, personally I think he is good in Sith
Ian McDiarmid is phenomenal in Sith he changes character so many times... Insidious :- Darth Sidious fits perfectly.