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  • Ed83Ed83
    Posts: 1,181
    I'm glad to see the shameful mess of thread derailing is over. I like to imagine the car getting kicked off the cliff in FYEO by Sir Roger as you were clicking the ban button.
  • NicNacNicNac Administrator, Moderator
    Posts: 7,582
    HASEROT wrote: »
    i'm surprised i haven't been banished yet as well. lol.
    As if we would ban you, you big pussycat.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    Posts: 15,718
    In Russia, doubleohdad bans you!
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited January 2015 Posts: 23,883
    Birdleson wrote: »
    So, is doubleohdad banned? That seems excessive, if so. The other one (Martin) was obviously going out of his way to be annoying and disruptive, doublohdad was actually engaged in some decent discussions. He just became somewhat myopic and repetitive when it came to a certain actor. I always am uncomfortable with such actions.

    I'm in agreement with this. He and I had a difference of opinion (doubleohdad that is) but at no time was he rude to me or insulting. He took a lot of flak on here, and did not express himself well at times. However, he did engage in decent discussions.

    Come to think of it, the most intelligent debate I had with someone over the merits of SF and LTK was with Matthelm a while back.

    They were both a far cry from dream sequences.
  • jobojobo
    Posts: 7,507
    bondjames wrote: »
    Birdleson wrote: »
    So, is doubleohdad banned? That seems excessive, if so. The other one (Martin) was obviously going out of his way to be annoying and disruptive, doublohdad was actually engaged in some decent discussions. He just became somewhat myopic and repetitive when it came to a certain actor. I always am uncomfortable with such actions.

    I'm in agreement with this. He and I had a difference of opinion (doubleohdad that is) but at no time was he rude to me or insulting. He took a lot of flak on here, and did not express himself well at times. However, he did engage in decent discussions.

    I think the problem was that he kept derailing threads that had nothing to do with Moore with his usual, repetitive criticism, and ignored concrete orders to stop doing so. Although he never bothered me personally, I think in the end he had it coming.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    Posts: 12,480
    He derailed threads on purpose, continuously, after many warnings from mods as well as members. He did deserve the boot.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited January 2015 Posts: 23,883
    jobo wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    Birdleson wrote: »
    So, is doubleohdad banned? That seems excessive, if so. The other one (Martin) was obviously going out of his way to be annoying and disruptive, doublohdad was actually engaged in some decent discussions. He just became somewhat myopic and repetitive when it came to a certain actor. I always am uncomfortable with such actions.

    I'm in agreement with this. He and I had a difference of opinion (doubleohdad that is) but at no time was he rude to me or insulting. He took a lot of flak on here, and did not express himself well at times. However, he did engage in decent discussions.

    I think the problem was that he kept derailing threads that had nothing to do with Moore with his usual, repetitive criticism, and ignored concrete orders to stop doing so. Although he never bothered me personally, I think in the end he had it coming.

    I get that @jobo. I just wonder why we have long term members taking it upon themselves to gang up publicly on another member when he/she is doing wrong. Flag it and let the mods handle it (and preferably they handle it privately with the offending party rather than embarrasing them on the forum).

    It just looked like poor doubleoh was being ganged up on - as I said I don't take anyting on this forum personally. We're just discussing movies for pete's sake, and they all have their weak points, as well as their strong points at the end of the day. I like to hear different points of view, even if I disagree with them. If I can't counter it properly, that's my problem and maybe I have to present a better argument or objectively open my eyes and revisit my point of view.

    I get the point about thread derailment though. That is fair. I just think it's better handled privately by the mods.
  • jobojobo
    edited January 2015 Posts: 7,507
    That I can agree with. Different opinions is one of this threads strong points. Although it is allegedly tough sometimes to see your favourite films or actors being heavily criticised, its something you just have to deal with, and it can in fact be considered a virtue as well.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    Posts: 16,351
    It wasn't the fact he was criticizing Moore. He kept doing in places that didn't call for it. And kept doing it when asked to cool it. Derailing threads is spamming. He wasn't being ganged up on. He was breaking the rules and when called out on it he was crying out that he was being censored. Perhaps if he talked about something else rather than how much he disliked Roger Moore he wouldn't have been banned in the first place.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    Posts: 23,883
    Murdock wrote: »
    It wasn't the fact he was criticizing Moore. He kept doing in places that didn't call for it. And kept doing it when asked to cool it. Derailing threads is spamming. He wasn't being ganged up on. He was breaking the rules and when called out on it he was crying out that he was being censored. Perhaps if he talked about something else rather than how much he disliked Roger Moore he wouldn't have been banned in the first place.

    I agree on all of this. Then flag it and let the moderators deal with it privately. Dragging him (or any poor future member who may get on the wrong side of the IT crowd) through the mud and lecturing him did not help matters.

    PS: He did talk a lot about things other than Moore.
  • royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
    edited January 2015 Posts: 4,423
    IT crowd? There isn't one on here. And, personally, I didn't see him discuss anything other than his dislike of Moore.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited January 2015 Posts: 23,883
    royale65 wrote: »
    IT crowd? There isn't one here. And, personally, I didn't see him discuss anything other than his dislike of Moore.

    He did. In that regard he was not trolling.

    He had a right to dislike Moore. He should have been more careful on which thread he expressed that and should have moderated the number of times he went on about it. He should have listened to the mod's warnings. On these fronts, he was wrong.

    As I said, have a problem, flag it. That's what the mods have been saying over and over again.

    I saw a lot of public beratement of doubleoh. Save your energy and flag it next time. Let the mods do their job. I'm not in favour of back seat drivers.
  • jobojobo
    Posts: 7,507
    Murdock wrote: »
    It wasn't the fact he was criticizing Moore. He kept doing in places that didn't call for it. And kept doing it when asked to cool it. Derailing threads is spamming. He wasn't being ganged up on. He was breaking the rules and when called out on it he was crying out that he was being censored. Perhaps if he talked about something else rather than how much he disliked Roger Moore he wouldn't have been banned in the first place.

    No, that wasn't the reason why he got banned, but I think we can safely say it had something to do with the heated reception he got.
  • royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
    Posts: 4,423
    I said personally. ;-). And the numbers of times he caused a thread to get derailed...
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,801
    Birdleson wrote: »
    Several (not always, by any means) times the guy acknowledged that he had upset someone, admitted fault, apologized tried to get back on topic.
    Ahhh, the old apologize so I can carry on ploy. ;)
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 24,183
    Without turning this into a court case, it should be said, in our defence, that we followed the well-known steps towards a ban: a couple of friendly requests to consider a few things, a very polite official warning with suggestions and friendly reminders, and so forth. But when those friendlies and warnings are practically given the finger by stubborn recidivism, when not even the slightest attempt is made to, for example, avoid triple, quadruple, ... posts, apologies either come too late or turn out pretty meaningless - or both.

    Our members have, in the past, asked for swift action. Even now some folks felt we took too much time to give the guy a chance. But we really do, you know, we really give folks chances, many of them at that. But we can't keep tolerating madness. And frankly, the Roger-Moore-is-to-blame-for-everything tune, sung in many threads, even the ones that don't care, got fairly maniacal after a while, like a religious mission of sorts.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,801
    @DarthDimi, you guys are most fair.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    Posts: 15,718
    When I picture the mods team taking decisions, I picture something like "12 Angry Men", but only with Henry Fonda multiplied for the amount of mods. :)
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
    Posts: 13,384
    I picture an ED209 ! :D
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    Posts: 16,351
    Don't you mean MOD209? :))
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
    Posts: 13,384
    :))
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,801
    DrGorner wrote: »
    I picture an ED209 ! :D

    Please put down your repetitious triple posting Moore nonsense. You have 5 days to comply.

    A kinder, gentler ED209....
  • JCRendleJCRendle
    Posts: 1,552
    Please stop your trolling. You have 20 seconds to comply.

    You now have 15 seconds to comply.

    You are in direct violation of Penal Code 0.07, Section 7.

    You have 5 seconds to comply.

    Four... three... two... one... I am now authorized to use physical force!
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 24,183
    I'd buy that for a dollar!
  • KerimKerim Istanbul Not Constantinople
    edited January 2015 Posts: 2,629
    Trolling, trolling, trolling
    Keep ignoring, ignoring, ignoring
    Though they're disrupting
    Keeps them trolls a moving, RawMods
    Don't try to understand them
    Just warn, delete and ban them
    Soon we'll be posting happy and free
    Boy my heads a calculating
    Our posts won't need modification
    Be posting free at the end of the day.

    Move them on, head them up
    Head them up, move them on
    Move them on, head them up, RawMods
    Kick them out, ban them hard
    Ban them hard, kick them out
    Kick them out, ban them hard RawMods

  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,801
    @Kerim that's so good! :))
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
    Posts: 13,384
    Very funny =))
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    Posts: 12,480
    Oh, @Kerim - blissfully right on! =))
  • josiahjosiah
    edited February 2016 Posts: 1,386
    To me, a fan forum is (as the title clearly suggests) a place for fans (people that love something) to discuss their love for that thing or preferences. It's one thing to say "I don't like ____ because I prefer _____" & quite another to just say "This was stupid and lame and so was that. Everything is trite and overdone and people are so stupid" So when I encounter users who never have a positive word to say about any of the films in the franchise or when they do claim to love a film they give it the faintest of praise possible, I think to myself "troll". After all, this is a *fan* forum, so if one has nothing positive to say why would they be here? I think singing the praises of anything you love requires sticking your neck out--choosing to be vulnerable because there is always the possibility for rejection. I think proposing ideas or talking about your love for something requires a great deal of courage and I think that's what being a fan of something is primarily about: contributing something positive and constructive. I think that rejecting a person's ideas, insulting them or others, & tearing into movies or books others love, & really contributing nothing but criticism and negativity requires zero courage and bullying isn't particularly impressive. I can't say I ever care why someone dislikes a Bond film I love to be completely honest. I am, however, very interested to hear what fans of Bond movies that I'm not so crazy about see in those films--to hear their perspective on it. I love reading fan reviews for films low in my own personal rankings. I guess I have no interest in being persuaded to dislike something, but if someone who loves a film I'm not so keen on sticks their neck out to talk about their love for it, I can respect that act even if we continue to disagree. In conclusion, I think trolls are people who come to places about sharing love for something to share their negative thoughts about it constantly. I think a troll is someone whose comments about topics are often negative and very seldom positive--someone who consistently ignores the old addage "if you can't say anything good, don't say anything at all". Criticism that isn't constructive is trolling IMO. So, in closing, I came to this forum to get fresh perspectives on Bond films I don't care for. The only Bond films I don't really care for are my bottom 5. If anyone at all looks at my bottom 5 Bond movies under "rank the Bond movies" and sees a personal favorite, please, by all means tell me what you love about it in that thread. I do my best to assume by default that people don't want to hear what I dislike. Either we'll agree to disagree or you'll help me see it in a more positive light. I can stay positive if you can. Cheers!
  • NicNacNicNac Administrator, Moderator
    Posts: 7,582
    Hi @Josiah, belated welcome to the forum.

    It is frustrating to have negative criticism constantly on show, because it tends to drive the fans of one or other of the films underground, not daring to proclaim any love in case they are ridiculed.
    However, any negativity you encounter doesn't mean that the author is not a Bond fan. It may simply be that they care too much and a bad Bond films makes them angry enough to...erm...vent their spleen?

    Have you ever been to a Dr Who fan forum? Makes this place look like a 60s Hippie love- in.
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