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Brosnan's change between films

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  • ShorelineShoreline
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    Got to agree with that. By far, he changed the most. Not helped by his utter dissinterest in the role in DAF. What happened to his eyebrows? I heard he was putting boot polish on them to dye out the grey! ????
  • boldfingerboldfinger
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    I think in the early 70s Connery made some films with bushy eyebrows, and after that they became thinner again.
    It just occurred to me this morning, I was looking at the soundtrack CD for The first Knight, then I took a look at pictures from NSNA and DAF. It really seems that from a certain time after DAF on, Connery took special care for his eyebrows. Or it was fashionable at a certain time to have them a bit bushier.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    edited May 2011 Posts: 13,999
    His change from GE to TND was for the better. In GE, Brosnan looked like a twiglet with a mop for hair. But in TND, he'd put on some weight and muscle, as well as getting his mop trimmed. However non existant his performances were, at least in TND he looked like he could at least put up some resistance in a fight. Not much to say about TWINE, he looked like he did in TND but a different hairstyle. As for DAD...
    The difference between 007 in FRWL and 007 in DAF is huge. It looks like Connery ate the next contender. :)>-
    ... it looked like Brosnan ate Connery. Probably Moore too.

  • boldfingerboldfinger
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    " at least in TND he looked like he could at least put up some resistance in a fight "

    As a secret agent he´s supposed to not look like a fighter. Otherwise it wouldn´t be secret ;-) .
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    edited May 2011 Posts: 13,999
    " at least in TND he looked like he could at least put up some resistance in a fight "

    As a secret agent he´s supposed to not look like a fighter. Otherwise it wouldn´t be secret ;-) .
    Then someone should tell that to Craig. ;-) I must have missed the part in Bonds bio, where is mentiond Bonds 2nd job as a Hulk impersonator.
  • followingthenerdfollowingthenerd
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    For me the two greatest aging of Bond's, between films, are Connery between You Only Live Twice and Diamonds are Forever and the ultimate one, Moore after The Spy Who Loved Me.

    While Connery came through the tunnel, so to speak, by the end of the 1970's, Moore aged dreadfully.
    I actually think Moore looked fine until A View to a Kill. I'm a huge Moore fan but can't watch this film much compared to his other Bond films.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    I'm a huge Moore fan
    :-bd
  • boldfingerboldfinger
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    I actually think Moore looked fine until A View to a Kill. I'm a huge Moore fan but can't watch this film much compared to his other Bond films.
    I think Moore looked much leaner and more boy-ish in AVTAK than he did in OP. When he wanders around at night in his sweat suit, his walk looks much younger than his wrinkles ;-) .
  • followingthenerdfollowingthenerd
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    It's the smile in AVTAK that isn't the same from the films beforehand. It's as if his skin has been stretched back lol. Anyway, he's still a legend!
  • jaguar007jaguar007
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    " at least in TND he looked like he could at least put up some resistance in a fight "

    As a secret agent he´s supposed to not look like a fighter. Otherwise it wouldn´t be secret ;-) .
    James Bond has never been a SECRET agent in the realistic sense. Secret agents don't dress to stand out and drive Aston Martins. James Bond is a fantasy figure.

  • jaguar007jaguar007
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    Then someone should tell that to Craig. ;-) I must have missed the part in Bonds bio, where is mentiond Bonds 2nd job as a Hulk impersonator.
    Yes, Craig is fit, but nothing like a Hulk impersonator. I see people everyday at my local 24 hour Fitness who are much bigger and more muscular than Craig.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    edited May 2011 Posts: 11,189
    I do still think Craig is the most "over-grown stuntman"-like of the lot though.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    Then someone should tell that to Craig. ;-) I must have missed the part in Bonds bio, where is mentiond Bonds 2nd job as a Hulk impersonator.
    Yes, Craig is fit, but nothing like a Hulk impersonator. I see people everyday at my local 24 hour Fitness who are much bigger and more muscular than Craig.
    He did look like the Incredible Hulk. I am aware of why he put on the muscle (other then for Babs on pleasure), but I think he went way overboard with it. There's no point in me saying that Dalton was convincing and didn't need to look like a fitness freak, as back then there wasn't half as much action as there is now.

  • boldfingerboldfinger
    edited May 2011 Posts: 5,767
    James Bond has never been a SECRET agent in the realistic sense. Secret agents don't dress to stand out and drive Aston Martins. James Bond is a fantasy figure.
    James Bond usually poses as a suave business man on his way to some exclusive dealings, so it makes sense that his clothes and car look exclusive.
    I do still think Craig is the most "over-grown stuntman"-like of the lot though.
    It´s funny you should mention stuntmen - I´m just reading Vic Armstrong´s book, which contains many fotos of him. He did the craziest stunts one can imagine, and he doesn´t look bulky at all.
    He did look like the Incredible Hulk. I am aware of why he put on the muscle (other then for Babs on pleasure), but I think he went way overboard with it. There's no point in me saying that Dalton was convincing and didn't need to look like a fitness freak, as back then there wasn't half as much action as there is now.
    Since he portays kind of a bulldozer, his physique seems quite adequate indeed. It could be cool however to show more the aspect of inner strength. Like stuntman Vic Armstrong, breaking his shin, waking up in a morgue, and still showing up at the set shortly after, because he got bored. And he´s not hulky at all.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    edited May 2011 Posts: 13,356
    Don't forget the chance in Craig from Casino Royale to Quantum Of Solace. His physique in the later is much better and fine in my opinion, unlike the Hulk from the previous film.

    Though we're now very off-topic.
  • jaguar007jaguar007
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    Maybe it is because I am somewhat fit myself, but I really don't think Craig was THAT big to be called Hulk. It is not like he looked like he was competing in a body building competition or doing steroids.

    Although I am a huge Dalton fan and loved his portrayal of Bond, I have always thought he was a bit too skinny (same with Brosnan).
  • BAIN123BAIN123
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    U see in my mind those 2 had a slightly more appropriate build for Bond. Tall, slim men.

  • Tjall_Le_FougueuxTjall_Le_Fougueux
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    All actors who have been Bond for long had such changes. Pierce Brosnan was much more fit and younf looking in GoldenEye, but looked very old and sluggish in Die Another Day. Connery also looked old and sluggish in Diamonds, just as Moore in A View To A Kill. I don't have any problems with actors getting older, it's normal.
  • NicNacNicNac Administrator, Moderator
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    All actors who have been Bond for long had such changes. Pierce Brosnan was much more fit and younf looking in GoldenEye, but looked very old and sluggish in Die Another Day. Connery also looked old and sluggish in Diamonds, just as Moore in A View To A Kill. I don't have any problems with actors getting older, it's normal.
    Besides, there's damn all we can do about it.

    >:-)
  • Agent005Agent005
    edited May 2011 Posts: 562
    Although I am a huge Dalton fan and loved his portrayal of Bond, I have always thought he was a bit too skinny (same with Brosnan).
    Fleming's Bond is 6' tall and only about 12 stone (168 lbs). He's not exactly a big guy. Dalton and Brosnan (save for DAD) physically match up with Fleming's description of Bond's body type rather well.

  • NicNacNicNac Administrator, Moderator
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    Although I am a huge Dalton fan and loved his portrayal of Bond, I have always thought he was a bit too skinny (same with Brosnan).
    Fleming's Bond is 6' tall and only about 12 stone (168 lbs). He's not exactly a big guy. Dalton and Brosnan (save for DAD) physically match up with Fleming's description of Bond's body type rather well.

    Yes, but you have to take in the needs of a huge cinema audience who don't know who Fleming is, never mind care.
  • Master_DaharkMaster_Dahark
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    Really? 6' tall and 168 lbs.... that's REALLY skinny. Like TOO skinny....
    I'm 6'2" and 190lbs myself, and I'm pretty lean. Literary Bond sounds like he'd blow away :/
  • boldfingerboldfinger
    edited May 2011 Posts: 5,767
    Although I am a huge Dalton fan and loved his portrayal of Bond, I have always thought he was a bit too skinny (same with Brosnan).
    Fleming's Bond is 6' tall and only about 12 stone (168 lbs). He's not exactly a big guy. Dalton and Brosnan (save for DAD) physically match up with Fleming's description of Bond's body type rather well.

    Yes, but you have to take in the needs of a huge cinema audience who don't know who Fleming is, never mind care.
    It´s just a matter of presentation. If he´s cool he´s cool, no matter what type his body is.

    That said, I think I would like to see John Goodman play not James Bond but an agent with a license to kill :ar! .
    Really? 6' tall and 168 lbs.... that's REALLY skinny. Like TOO skinny....
    I'm 6'2" and 190lbs myself, and I'm pretty lean. Literary Bond sounds like he'd blow away :/
    That just shows how bad your training is :bz .



    I think people are fixed too much on athletic ideas. Literary Bond, and there´s nothing about him that couldn´t be well translated onto the big screen, was not an athlete, or if he was he was a natural. He spent a lot of time doing paperwork, he indulged in fancy food and drinks, yet he was able to get into amazing shape after only one week of intensive training. This is not the lifestyle of an athlete, but of someone with certain abilities, phyisiological talents above average, that make it possible for him to work like he does.
  • bondboy007bondboy007
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    I normally don't give a **** about any kind of hair style an actor or actress may have, but I thought he looked a lot younger with his hair like it was in GE or even TND. In TWINE/DAD they decided to brush it completely back and I just thought it looked kind of weird.

    Also I think its kind of hard for Brosnan to have a 'great' performance in TND-DAD when he had the terrible scripts, dialog and casts in those movies. I really wish we would've seen him in a movie like TLD. GE for me was the perfect over the top Bond movie and shouldn't get any bigger than that - a seriously toned movie, but with a OTT plot line.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
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    The literary Bond, to me at least, wasn't a "big" man. I don't think he sounded like he would "blow you away". True, he was described as a "cruel looking customer" and "an all-round athlete" but he wasn't the strongest man in the world. If you were to look at him he would look like any other, albeit handsome, middle/upper-class gent. What he was however was nimble and quick. He could run, he could jump and he could move with ease.

    Take Bond's encounter with Grant in FRWL. Bond knew that he wouldn't win against this man (who was described as a machine, a boxer - basically the opposite to Bond) so he had to resort to "meaner" methods to defeat his enemy.

    In my opinion at least Dalton, Lazenby and even Brosnan best resemble the description Fleming gives in the books (tall, dark, lean and handsome gentlemen). They r the kinds I picture in my head.
  • The_ReaperThe_Reaper
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    Although I am a huge Dalton fan and loved his portrayal of Bond, I have always thought he was a bit too skinny (same with Brosnan).
    Fleming's Bond is 6' tall and only about 12 stone (168 lbs). He's not exactly a big guy. Dalton and Brosnan (save for DAD) physically match up with Fleming's description of Bond's body type rather well.

    He's 180.

  • Master_DaharkMaster_Dahark
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    Better
  • thelordflasheartthelordflasheart
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    I recall reading somewhere that Brosnan was both the lightest *and* heaviest actor to play Bond!

    A couple of points I remember from interviews - first, Martin Campbell had Brosnan have 5 o'clock shadow in GoldenEye because he though he looked too "boyish" without it. Also, I recall reading at the time of TND's release that Brosnan put on 15 pounds of muscle because he had looked too lightweight in GE.

    I love Fleming but I don't require the Bond of the films to have a slavish devotion to the way he's described in the books. To my mind, both Brosnan and Dalton (whose performance I loved) both looked just that little bit too thin to be physically threatening. Say what you will about Craig's physique but I found it completely credible that his Bond had just come back from the field after spending some time seconded to Special Forces. And one look at him made me believe that if he was in a locked room with four highly trained henchmen (or an elevator with four fellow agents) he would be capable of taking them all out.
  • jaguar007jaguar007
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    I recall reading somewhere that Brosnan was both the lightest *and* heaviest actor to play Bond!

    I have heard that as well, but I have trouble believing that Brosnan in DAD was heavier than Connery in DAF.
  • boldfingerboldfinger
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    I love Fleming but I don't require the Bond of the films to have a slavish devotion to the way he's described in the books.
    Not slavish devotion, but it´s in no way a bad thing to fall back on the novels every now and then, just to have a common base somehow.
    But in the end it´s the performance that counts. I daresay it´s less Craig´s physique than his performance that makes us believe he could take out four highly trained henchmen in a locked room. I´m ot sure I would expect the same from Dwayne Johnson or Stallone. And Brosnan´s failure to deliver such an impression was not due to his body but to his performance if at all. De Niro in Ronin or in Cape Fear can look physically threatening without a bulky body.



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