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You dug up a year old thread and made some of the most ludicrous comparisons as to why Bond should never be black. Jordan, X, King...they're real people. Newsflash! Bond isn't real. Can Bond be black, brown, tanned, mix raced?? If course he can but it doesn't mean it should happen. Casting Bond should primarily be about finding the best actor to do the job. Everything else is secondary. The idea of Bond being non White is entertained but on a serious level, it'll never happen as that's something most people don't want nor need to see. Just looking at the op again and this thread was and is so ridiculously pointless.
Luther King, Malcom X and Jordan were real persons, so having white actors playing them is ludicrous. Even if Bond was white in the original novels, it's more conceivable for Bond to be played by a white actor than real historical figures changing race. So your argument is pure rubbish.
amen.
and as for Dalton Craig calling my argument rubbish, what im trying to say in my argument is that the changing of a fictional or non fictional black character into a white character would be considered outrageous and racist, but for a white character whether it be fictional or non fictional to be changed into a black character would be considered modern and acceptable. My point is we live in a culture of pure political correctness and white man is the new minority of this new 3rd world coming of age America.
Its just not right, the books clearly state bonds characteristics and thats what the movies are based upon, Ian Fleming's James Bond.
Why drag this up again?
MLK was real, Malcom X was real, Shaft has only ever been played by one guy and nobody else (white or black) should play him, Micheal Jordan was real.
Personally, I don't really care if he's black or white, I suggested Idris Elbra for Bond before, not because he's black, but because he's a good actor who could handle the part (watch Luther). I like the books but like I've said before, I'm not too bothered how close they are to the films, they can be entirely different, as long as the films are good I don't care how close they are to the books. If they are great, if not, that's fine by me.
So I wouldn't make Bond black for the sake of it, but if an actor nails the audition, is better than all the other canditates, who could play the part well and who just so happens to be black, fine. But don't make Bond black just for the sake of being PC.
Exactly! You expressed what I think better than I could. Sums it up just right.
Well said.
Who brought this thread up again anyways?
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no not really...bond is fiction, but he was fictionalized as a Caucasuan British Male, not a black male. Martin Luther king was realistically born with African American Traits, not with Caucasian/White American traits. So you're argument is that just because Bond wasn't a real human being ,that gives more justification to change his race to black rather than MLK to be turned to white? Thats you're opinion and it doesn't really make much sense rather than you thinking its more acceptable to change traditional fictionalized characters than actual real-life born traditional characters . so yeah, doesn't really speak much of a real debate there
However, if there is an extremely talented actor who would play Bond well, and he happens to be black, then I wouldn't care.
Just as long as he isn't American.
Its like feeding a dog catfood when theres plenty of choices of dogfood. it just doesn't make sense. Anyway Felix was already a PC move in my opinion with Jeffery Wright, but I think he does a good job as Felix and I do enjoy him none the less, also M's introduction as female was a major PC move in 1995.Can you think of any other PC moves EON has done in the past?
As long as the best actor for the job is chosen, I'll be happy.
But as Mr Jarrod said before, we can debate this 'til the cows come home, James Bond is white, should be white, and hopefully will remain white until Armageddon..
It is a tired debate as stated, with all due respect..
He has? If you mean the Samuel L Jackson version he was playing his nephew also called John Shaft.
Nope only one. The shaft movie with Samuel L Jackson was a movie about Shaft's nephew. Roundtree aka Shaft was in the movie and Jackson, the lead of the movie was the nephew.
Well said Sir. Finally some intelligent analysis of this tedious topic.
I see people wheeling this point out time and again (quite probably, it seems to me, in a concerted effort just to point out how much of a racist they arent) as a justification for a black Bond but I find it a somewhat fatuous argument.
The 'job' in this particular question is portraying a suave, athletic white man in his mid to late 30s. The best actor for said job would therefore be someone who meets those criteria. So no matter how good his audition is Ving Rhames would not get the job - for the simple reason that he is plainly not the best actor for this job. This is of course not to say hes not a good actor or indeed the best actor at the audition in terms of talent. But hes not the best actor for the job. In the same way if I were casting Huggy Bear from Starsky and Hutch I wouldnt turn to Pierce Brosnan or Roger Moore.
What this stupid 'the best actor for the job' argument is saying is that anyone can come in and as long as they blow you away with their interpretation of Bond in the audition then any fundamental facet of the character on the page can be changed to accomodate them. So Heather Mills, Gary Coleman, Bella Emberg and Warwick Davis are all equally in the running for the role if you follow this preposterous logic to its conclusion.
Well, I'm not a racist, and I actually used that point because I enjoy good acting. I should have said something like 'best actor within reason'. I just don't think Bond being black is that much of a big deal; as long as it's the same Bond character I love I don't care what colour his skin is.
I should also note that I want Tom Hiddleston to be the next Bond. He's suave, athletic, white, and would be about the right age when Craig retires. I'm not actively demanding a black Bond, just saying it wouldn't really matter to me.