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There is a vital difference.
MR is pure fantasy and full of self-irony while SF takes itself too seriously and wants to be edgy drama and plot holes like they happen in SF are unforgivable therefore.
There's no vital difference. They are all Bond films. And Bond films are not just pure fantasy or pure drama. Yes, sometimes they touch these genres. But saying that MR is pure fantasy is nonsense to me.
MR has to be judged as an action-thriller....like all Bond films. And when judged as such MR is entirely flawed. Don't forget how 'Cubby' tried, without any self-irony, to ground this Bond film a lot in science-fact. Even NASA was called in to make MR as realistic as possible.
You need to understand that you have a personal opinion here. And, to be frank, not everyone shares that with you. So what you say is not just fact.....it's a set of arguments in which you justify MR with your personal love of the film. There's nothing bad about it....but still, it's nothing but personal taste we discuss here.
So no, Bond films should not all be judged as action-thrillers, or even be judged under the same movie genre, as films like DAD, FRWL and OP are nothing alike, apart from being Bond films.
In any case.....let's not say that Bond films are sci-fi films or fantasy films. Because that's even more ridiculous.
Perhaps SF is more spy/drama/thriller.....and MR and TND are more action/adventure. That's the only difference I can make.
TND is definitely more action/adventure.
MR is thriller at the start imho, then moves into action/adventure, and then finally moves into science fiction.
SF is pure thriller - and imho closer to FRWL territory.
SF doesn't have this. Silva's sole motivation is revenge. That's like taking a whole dimension away from the villain. He just isn't as interesting after that. It's funny how everyone harps on Blofeld's motivation being daddy issues, but they are fine with Silva and his mommy issues.
Moreover, MI6 is completely compromised in SF. That was the plot. If they didn't stop him, they'd have been totally hacked.
OK, but we don't hear about the list again after about the 45 minute mark. Its more of a plot device that a plot.
Yes, obviously it's a McGuffin. Similar to the ATAC system in FYEO. Moreover, once damage has been done, Wikileaks-style, then the physical harddisk doesn't matter anymore. Damage has been done then already. So I don't see your problem.
Story-wise SF is therefore a lot about....reducing the damage caused by 'Julian Assange' -Silva-. It would be rather stupid if Bond only chases for the physical disk. Or....do you forget how hackers work these days??
If the disk didn't matter, why is Bond still chasing after it? And why do they want to decrypt it and find out who else may have gotten their hands on it? Like you said, in an age of hackers and grand technology, as soon as Silva got his hands on that, the physical portion would've been irrelevant, as surely he would've uploaded it all elsewhere. It's nothing but a MacGuffin; as soon as they catch Silva, we hear nothing more about it.
What are you talking about?? They never refer to the list or the risk of exposure ever again. The plot simply disappears and is replaced by laboured attempts at metaphor and symbolism. How is Bond and M locking themselves inside a house 'reducing the damage'?? Once Silva is killed, the files disappear and everything returns to normal??
Then he also gained access to the new secure bunker 'network' (sorry, I'm not a techy, so not sure if I got this right) when Q inserted the disc into his laptop.
So Silva was an ongoing threat who became too hard to ignore and they had to draw him away to trap him. A lot of his lackeys were dispatched in the Skyfall shootout so that perhaps implied his group was crippled. Notice that when M gives Bond his assignment at the end of SF, it's 'on paper'. I noticed that in 2012, and I think that was because they were going to a 'less tech' way of distributing assignment info in a post-Silva world.
Just try to place yourself in the real world for once. How can you prevent the SonyLeaks? By destroying the PC's Sony was using? Or reducing the damage by containing the leak via other hackers ('Q'?) and perhaps try to capture the hackers who actually caused the SonyLeaks?
My point is pretty clear: I think it's only logical that the McGuffin, the harddisk, disappears. Once everything from that disk has been leaked, it's useless by focusing on getting that disk. It's much better to use the harddisk as a trace leading to the person who caused that shit. And that's exactly what Bond is doing.
The way he is doing that is perhaps flawed, but we were talking about the McGuffin here and I give you very clear arguments to why the harddisk disappears after 45 mins.
But that's literally the point of a MacGuffin: introduced to forward the plot, and tossed to the wayside after it has served its purpose. It's irrelevant to the rest of the story; just look at 'Mission: Impossible 3.'
The specific hardrive presumably doesn't matter anymore since the files can just be copied, but the files themselves are still out there. How is Bond locking himself inside an old house stopping that threat?? MI6 is still at risk, but because Bond killed Silva suddenly the day is saved?? That does not make sense.
They could always re-secure the network (which I assume they did) after Silva hacked it again with the disc. As long as the infiltrator is dispatched or apprehended, then future hacks shouldn't be an issue. They did find Silva's big operation location after all due to Severine, and probably dismantled all the gear.
Thanks @Creasy47 ;-)
2. OHMSS
3. FRWL
4. GF
5. FYEO
6. TSWLM
7. Dr No
8. GE
9. TB
10. TLD
11. LTK
12. SF
13. LALD
14. SP
15. MR
16. TMWTGG
17. OP
18. TND
19. TWINE
20. QoS
21. YOLT
22. DAD
23. DAF
24. AVTAK
Exactly it belongs into the top 3.
Absolutely.
On one side @Thunderfinger
on the other side the rest of the world.
Eh I've seen plenty of rankings here with GE listed in the middle or closer to the bottom.
For me its average. Good performance from Brosnan. Good director and cinematography. Ok script. Dire score.