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  • Comte_de_BleuchampComte_de_Bleuchamp
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    Don't ask @barryt007 his opinion of Dr No. He gets all worked up if you start questioning his purist credentials. He prefers Pierce playing on his Gameboy in TND.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
    edited September 2016 Posts: 9,020
    Last month I did an "ultimate" ranking which is based on objectivity and personal preference.

    That was a one off to show that I don't necessarily insist on GE or SP being the two best Bond movies ever.

    Of course what I may think is objective, someone else will not agree on.

    Now I have re-worked my yearly ranking that I'm doing of the Bond movies.


    The 2016 James Bond Film Ranking of Jason Stephen Bond.

    I will give you the rankings of the few last years as well for comparison.

    2016
    1 SP / 2 GE / 3 TLD / 4 OHMSS / 5 CR / 6 OP / 7 FRWL / 8 GF
    9 QOS / 10 TND / 11 FYEO / 12 TSWLM / 13 MR / 14 LTK /15 DAF / 16 LALD
    17 DAD / 18 DN / 19 TB / 20 YOLT / 21 AVTAK / 22 TMWTGG / 23 TWINE / 24 SF

    2015
    1 GE / 2 TLD / 3 OHMSS / 4 CR / 5 OP / 6 FRWL / 7 FYEO / 8 GF
    9 LTK / 10 TND / 11 LALD / 12 QOS / 13 TSWLM / 14 MR / 15 DAD /16 DN
    17 SF / 18 TWINE / 19 TB / 20 YOLT / 21 AVTAK / 22 TMWTGG 23 DAF

    2014
    1 GE / 2 TLD / 3 OHMSS / 4 CR / 5 OP / 6 FRWL / 7 GF / 8 LTK
    9 TND / 10 DAD / 11 TSWLM / 12 MR / 13 SF / 14 DN / 15 FYEO / 16 TWINE
    17 TB / 18 YOLT / 19 AVTAK / 20 QOS / 21 LALD / 22 TMWTGG / 23 DAF

    The "ultimate" one off ranking based on objectivity and preference.
    1 OHMSS / 2 GF / 3 FRWL / 4 CR / 5 TSWLM / 6 GE / 7 TLD / 8 FYEO / 9 SP / 10 DN

    I highlighted the films that underwent the greatest changes.

    Some 17 films haven't changed much or at all during the years in my ranking. The top 6 even stayed the same, they are very cemented in that order, only SP managed to go straight to the top, making it a cemented Top 7 now.

    DAF and QOS I long viewed upon unfavourably and with prejudice. DAF because of it's cheap look and humour I long didn't get and QOS because of the worst editing job ever in the franchise and for being even more rude to Cubby's vision than CR was (Gun-Barrel, shaken not stirred, Bond, James Bond and such things).

    But I can better myself and throwing those sentiments overboard I realised how great those two films truly are.
    DAF has made it to No 15 and QOS even into my Top 10 and to be honest I believe it will stay there.

    As for the most unpopular film on this forum, DAD, that one was once my No 2 right after GE, that was in 2002. The movie was a great success with critics and the audience and back then everybody celebrated another great Bond movie, at least here in Switzerland. After 2006 DAD steadily went down the ranking, but stayed in the Top 10 up to 2014.
    I can see though that I was too kind to that movie. Falling to No 15 and now to No 17 seems right to me. It won't fall any further though I think.

    Hope this was somehow a bit interesting. If not, sorry ;)
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Sure it was.
  • vzokvzok
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    So Jason when you say "objectivity", do you mean you are trying to provide a list of what you feel general opinion is of the movies, or what you think is the quality of the films?
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    A rather impossible task.
  • timmertimmer
    edited September 2016 Posts: 4,622
    BondJasonBond006 wrote: »
    ... and QOS because of the worst editing job ever in the franchise and for being even more rude to Cubby's vision than CR was (Gun-Barrel, shaken not stirred, Bond, James Bond and such things).
    This element is what really bugged me about CR when it came out. ie what's with the cheap shots at what came before. The film seemed to have an air of superiority about it...which continued into QoS....
    But we get past such affronts and eventually find joy in what the films do well.
    I did punish both CR and QoS at the time, by only ponying up for three paid admissions for each film, instead of the usual, as many visits as I could manage, before the film was yanked from cinema.
    Got my numbers back up with SP...though..7 paid admissions. SF I think was four.
    There is nothing like Bond on the big screen. One immerses andescapes into the world.
    That's why I think TB requires a major big screen presentation or a really good home system. Pacing then is no longer an issue. One can instead relax, absorb and experience the sheer spectable of the cinematic presentation.

  • barryt007barryt007
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    Comte_de_Bleuchamp wrote: »
    Don't ask @barryt007 his opinion of Dr No. He gets all worked up if you start questioning his purist credentials. He prefers Pierce playing on his Gameboy in TND.

    Hahaha you really need to stop masterbating so much .....im not interested in you ok ????

  • SoundofthesinnersSoundofthesinners
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    I don't know if this has changed since last time around, but here goes anyway:

    1. Goldfinger
    2. From Russia With Love
    3. Casino Royale
    4. On Her Majesty's Secret Service
    5. GoldenEye
    6. Skyfall
    7. The Spy Who Loved Me
    8. Dr. No

    9. Licence to Kill
    10. For Your Eyes Only
    11. The Living Daylights
    12. You Only Live Twice
    13. Tomorrow Never Dies

    14. Thunderball
    15. Quantum of Solace
    16. Spectre
    17. Octopussy
    18. The World Is Not Enough
    19. Live and Let Die

    20. Diamonds are Forever
    21. A View to a Kill
    22. Die Another Day
    23. The Man With The Golden Gun
    24. Moonraker

    Tier breaks (obviously) at line breaks, but I could see adding sub-tiers after 4 and 15.
  • SoundofthesinnersSoundofthesinners
    Posts: 3,236
    Birdleson wrote: »
    @Soundofthesinners , same Top Four. Usually in that order. Then I go to TSWLM and DN, which you have just a bit back.

    I just adore GE, which I believe you have in the middle of the pack. Both that and SF have sentimental value for me in addition to their simple quality as Bond films.
  • SoundofthesinnersSoundofthesinners
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    What about SF?
  • w2bondw2bond is indeed a very rare breed
    Posts: 2,252
    timmer wrote: »
    w2bond wrote: »
    timmer wrote: »
    Perilagu_Khan wrote: »
    Birdleson wrote: »
    Thank you for doing the work @w2bond . Eight out of the ten are on my own Top Ten, and I have SF at 11.

    Yes. Good work on his part. And I'm delighted to see that the forum's assessment of SP is identically in accord with mine.
    Yes excellent work? @w2bond,.out of curiosity, how did you compile ie how many different rankings, points distribution?

    The top 3- CR, FRWL & OHMSS are in a world of their own, same w DAD, albeit a netherworld.

    The community is clearly under a mass hypnosis.
    The re-boot films are all ranked way too high, and the Connery films don't seem to completely dominate top 6.

    I helpfully provided some correction though w the Connery adventure thrillers all distributed top 6, and the re-boot melodramas, grouped bottom 4. :D

    @timmer Thanks. I've done a list from the rankings on this thread. The one I posted is rankings since Spectre was released (101 rankings). I have a list from page one, the results are reasonably similar.

    Maximum points (currently 24) to 1st place and 1 pt to last.

    Not a mass hypnosis, you're just, to put it mildly, not overly fond of the Craig era. In fact I have your ranking highlighted as an interesting one. Films 1-10 as 1st to 10th, 11-20 as 11th to 20th.

    Good work @w2bond . I engaged the same formula back in I think 2010 or 2011, anyway well before SF had been released, and well after QoS had settled in.
    The only difference is that I awarded points from 21 for first place, down to 0 for a last ranking.
    I didn't want any last-place points awarded just for showing up. eg any points DAD earned were for managing to finish ahead of at least one other film on someones list.
    I was using pencil and paper and a calculator. It was a massive chore. I used the most recent 100 members, complete rankings. So our methodology is identical. The points weightings are the same.
    I assume you are using a spread sheet. The manual way that I used was exhausting. So bravo for taking on this chore, and in a data-entry efficient way that will allow it to be maintained
    It's a vital reference tool for the fandom I think, so if you are able to maintain the study in a not too burdensome way, that is huge.
    And the results of course are fluid.
    When I undertook the study the results were thus

    FRWL easy leader...well ahead of #2 OHMSS
    OHMSS strong #2 well ahead of the rest

    #3-7 was a 5 pak which was tightly bunched but well separated from #8
    If I recall, CR was in this group. I really don't want to guess at the other 4, but if I had to I think the group included the TLD and GF for sure. Not sure about the other two.
    But I dubbed this group the super 7 as there was separation from the rest of the pack.

    What seems to have happened in the interim is that CR has aged extremely well.
    With hindsight, It was clearly on an upward trajectory at the time, and has since managed to overhaul the two runaway leaders.

    DAD was buried deep at the bottom, in its own deep hole, barely in sight of the other films. That has not changed.

    Then there was another little bunch that were separated from the rest above
    Most notably DAF TWINE and AVTAK. MR may have flirted with this group too

    @timmer Nice analysis, That list sounds about right, there definitely is a sort of tier sytem. In general the placings fluctuate within the tiers but usually don't go outside the tiers.

    One thing I should add is that I used the latest ranking of each member, as some members like to rank them every other month! This avoids doubling up and reflects the latest opinion, especially in the case of the latest film whose position will eventually settle

    Congratulations of using pen and paper! Impossible task!

    timmer wrote: »
    As for my own ranking, the Connery films resonate with me as the slam dunk best of the bunch. Honorable mention to Laz and OHMSS, a superb '60s Bond which owns the 7 spot.
    The first two two Rog films, I appreciate very much, as there is Guy Hamilton carry over from both my clear-cut #1 DAF and of course the superb GF.

    #10 has always been in flux. For now its TSWLM.
    From 10-19 I can juggle the order.
    DAD is locked into #20...although CR may give it a nudge some day and maybe even creep up further. CR has growth potential. I am coming around slower than others.
    The re-boot films for now though occupy bottom 4.
    I think Mendes efforts will stay at bottom with CR first and QoS 2nd, so the Craig films subset rankings do now seem to be chiseled in stone.

    The quality that the earlier films had is that there was much less studio control, and audience expectations, so that the filmmakers could make the films without distractions. The latest films have too many cooks and it shows in the recent films.

  • w2bondw2bond is indeed a very rare breed
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    Gustav_Graves wrote: »
    w2bond wrote: »
    Gustav_Graves wrote: »
    w2bond wrote: »
    I noticed that when I watched Dr No last year. When I was younger I would have preferred more action and the quicker pacing of newer films but the attention to detail in Dr No is incredible. It's not a movie I'd watch regularly but it's a solid Bond film that's about Bond, and not the stunts or gadgets

    That's the funny thing though. It does seem that the Connery-classics with slower pace and less action, like DN, are more respected than some of Daniel Craig's films, who basically have this slower pace and less action as well (SF, CR).

    @Gustav_Graves I feel that too. FRWL and DN have a slower pace but are somehow engaging as well. SF and SP to me drag on and while there's excellent individual scenes, there's nothing really to look forward to in a beginning to end viewing.

    Slow pace is fine as long as it's engaging (eg SP board room and Mr White scene, Game of Thrones). Doesn't help that the Mendes soundtracks are atrocious.

    TB is an unfortunate case because it has mostly everything right, but the pacing drags the film down...a lot. It would easily be a top 5, but is instead near the bottom

    I personally think it's merely the 'evergreen status' that makes you like DN and FRWL a bit more. They are engaging, but so are SF and SP. I guess it also has to do with the fact that the Bond franchise can't do too much good anymore within the fan community.

    We know how Trekkies basically destroyed the Trek-franchise commercially. By constantly criticising the franchise and not being able to sometimes set aside criticism a bit for some good fun, the Trek-franchise is in financial danger as we speak.

    We need to understand very well that we forummembers are no EON-employees. And at times we should perhaps point the fingers towards ourselves and admit that we are perhaps not that much of an expert as the actual people who make Bond films tirelessly.

    I personally love SF and SP, because they take the time with every scene, just like FRWL and DN. But the fact that SP and SF were produced in a rather self-destructive social media era with lots of populist traits, could result in a lot of negative backlash around here and around everywhere :-).

    Let's say if DN was entirely copied as a brand-new remake for 2016.......the film would have been a massive disappointment to many of us around here. I am sure of it.

    @Gustav_Graves I do agree that there are some great touches to SF/SP and the character interactions are among the best in the franchise. But there's too many little annoyances that take me away from the experience, the simplest example is the "Dead are Alive" right after the GB. The car chase is visually beautiful and cheap gags are humurous but ultimately feel lacking.

    My apparent "bias" is only towards the first 2 films which rank 9 and 4 (and I have TND at 8).

    DN as a remake would be an interesting exercise, they will have the resources to polish what is lacking in the original (the obstacle course, DN's death). But the problem these days is too many bean counters and cooks running the studios
  • ToTheRightToTheRight
    edited September 2016 Posts: 16,149
    Okay so this updated list is still partially how I feel nostalgia wise towards the series, yet having rewatched several Bonds recently, a few have been switched around in my rankings. It's been at least 2 years since I've seen all the way through: GF, TB, TMWTGG, MR and DAD. I'll pop those in eventually and see if it's even possible for DAD to climb the ladder.



    1. DR NO
    2. GOLDFINGER
    3. FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE
    4. THE SPY WHO LOVED ME
    5. THUNDERBALL
    6. ON HER MAJESTY'S SECRET SERVICE
    7. THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS
    8. OCTOPUSSY/NSNA
    9. CASINO ROYALE
    10. LIVE AND LET DIE
    11. LICENCE TO KILL
    12. FOR YOUR EYES ONLY
    13. A VIEW TO A KILL
    14.DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER
    15.YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE
    16. SKYFALL
    17. GOLDENEYE
    18. SPECTRE
    19. MOONRAKER
    20. THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN/ CR 54
    21. TOMORROW NEVER DIES/ CR 67
    22. QUANTUM OF SOLACE
    23. THE WORLD IS NOT ENOUGH
    24. DIE ANOTHER DAY
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    QOS below CR67 is certainly controversial.
  • ToTheRightToTheRight
    Posts: 16,149
    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    QOS below CR67 is certainly controversial.

    You're right. I may have to re-think that. Sadly, I actually don't have the 67 CR anymore to pop in and rank.

  • barryt007barryt007
    Posts: 19,339
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    QOS below CR67 is certainly controversial.

    You're right. I may have to re-think that. Sadly, I actually don't have the 67 CR anymore to pop in and rank.

    Come on chaps,QOS is rising in most peoples opinions...as for that other piece of cinematic shit...why even bother with it ??!!


  • timmertimmer
    edited September 2016 Posts: 4,622
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Okay so this updated list is still partially how I feel nostalgia wise towards the series, yet having rewatched several Bonds recently, a few have been switched around in my rankings. It's been at least 2 years since I've seen all the way through: GF, TB, TMWTGG, MR and DAD. I'll pop those in eventually and see if it's even possible for DAD to climb the ladder.



    1. DR NO
    2. GOLDFINGER
    3. FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE
    4. THE SPY WHO LOVED ME
    5. THUNDERBALL
    6. ON HER MAJESTY'S SECRET SERVICE
    7. THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS
    8. OCTOPUSSY/NSNA
    9. CASINO ROYALE
    10. LIVE AND LET DIE
    11. LICENCE TO KILL
    12. FOR YOUR EYES ONLY
    13. A VIEW TO A KILL
    14.DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER
    15.YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE
    16. SKYFALL
    17. GOLDENEYE
    18. SPECTRE
    19. MOONRAKER
    20. THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN/ CR 54
    21. TOMORROW NEVER DIES/ CR 67
    22. QUANTUM OF SOLACE
    23. THE WORLD IS NOT ENOUGH
    24. DIE ANOTHER DAY

    Very relatable rankings here.
    A stellar top 6. Top 3 honors the series early filmmaking brilliance and Connery in his young prime. And DN at number #1 again!!!!!
    @benny has started a trend.
    The bloated Mendes films are appropriately low in the order.
    Not the worst thing either to dump the Brozzer films at bottom. These movies have their Bond entertainment value, but that period was not exactly a stellar stetch of Bond filmmaking
    The dreary QoS is rightly among the bottom feeders

    Also of interest and maybe significance, is that your bottom 4, comprises the output of the 4 '90s -'00s era of one-off Bond directors.
  • ToTheRightToTheRight
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    @timmer , Thanks, Timmer! I watched DR NO recently and it brought me back to renting it multiple times on VHS in the '80s. I loved it as a kid and love it now. Perhaps the Brosnan/Craig entries are lower because they were released during my adult years? I've been on a nostalgia kick lately.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    vzok wrote: »
    So Jason when you say "objectivity", do you mean you are trying to provide a list of what you feel general opinion is of the movies, or what you think is the quality of the films?

    My objective ranking (mixed with personal preference) is about the quality of a movie, the screenplay, direction, cinematography, score, acting, cast and of course overall perception and enjoyment.

    Actually I believe that a few of the Top 10 movies in my personal ranking really belong to the 10 best James Bond movies.
    Like FRWL GF or OHMSS and CR.
    But I do believe that TLD and GE belong there too.

    But GE being my No 1 for 20 years I still know it's not really the best Bond movie ever made. That would be OHMSS, GF or FRWL.

    OP which is in my Top 10 since I even made my first ranking is a great entertaining movie, still I do not believe it really belongs into an objective Top 10, I would place it in the middle, probably No 15.

    I think we all can try to be objective, I even will admit that SF probably belongs just outside the Top 10, maybe at 12 or 13. Even if it is my No 24.

    A complete objective ranking would probably look like this (in my opinion)

    1 FRWL
    2 OHMSS
    3 GF
    4 CR
    5 DN
    6 TSWLM
    7 TLD
    8 GE
    9 TB
    10 SP
    11 SF
    12 YOLT (pretty certain about this ranking up to No 12)
    the rest is a bit difficult to put in order, but the last three certainly seem right to me.
    13 FYEO
    14 TND
    15 OP
    16 LTK
    17 LALD
    18 DAF
    19 MR
    20 DAD
    21 QOS
    22 TWINE
    23 TMWTGG
    24 AVTAK
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    vzok wrote: »
    So Jason when you say "objectivity", do you mean you are trying to provide a list of what you feel general opinion is of the movies, or what you think is the quality of the films?

    My objective ranking (mixed with personal preference) is about the quality of a movie, the screenplay, direction, cinematography, score, acting, cast and of course overall perception and enjoyment.

    Actually I believe that a few of the Top 10 movies in my personal ranking really belong to the 10 best James Bond movies.
    Like FRWL GF or OHMSS and CR.
    But I do believe that TLD and GE belong there too.

    But GE being my No 1 for 20 years I still know it's not really the best Bond movie ever made. That would be OHMSS, GF or FRWL.

    OP which is in my Top 10 since I even made my first ranking is a great entertaining movie, still I do not believe it really belongs into an objective Top 10, I would place it in the middle, probably No 15.

    I think we all can try to be objective, I even will admit that SF probably belongs just outside the Top 10, maybe at 12 or 13. Even if it is my No 24.

    A complete objective ranking would probably look like this (in my opinion)

    1 FRWL
    2 OHMSS
    3 GF
    4 CR
    5 DN
    6 TSWLM
    7 TLD
    8 GE
    9 TB
    10 SP
    11 SF
    12 YOLT (pretty certain about this ranking up to No 12)
    the rest is a bit difficult to put in order, but the last three certainly seem right to me.
    13 FYEO
    14 TND
    15 OP
    16 LTK
    17 LALD
    18 DAF
    19 MR
    20 DAD
    21 QOS
    22 TWINE
    23 TMWTGG
    24 AVTAK
  • timmertimmer
    edited September 2016 Posts: 4,622
    Again what a stands out for me about @totherights rankings is Spottiswoode Forster Apted and Tamahori one-and-done directors stacked bottom 4.

    What does this mean? I think it means Campbell and Mendes impressed sufficiently that they were invited back, but in the case of other 4 it was no thanks. In the case of both Tamahori and Forster I think it might have even been- not an effen chance.


    ==
    @w2bond
    One thing I should add is that I used the latest ranking of each member, as some members like to rank them every other month! This avoids doubling up and reflects the latest opinion, especially in the case of the latest film whose position will eventually settle
    Congratulations of using pen and paper! Impossible task!
    I did that too for the same reason. Our methodology was identical. Great data-hungry minds think alike.
    As for pencil and paper. Now that I think about it, it wasn't that hard. I had a chart. It was just a matter of manually inputting points for each film. Each movie had a row. And then adding the fresh totals and then stacking the aggregate. I think I did 10 lists a day until I had a 100.
    But digital data entry is clearly more efficient. Less room for error at least in the adding,but the numbers still have to be accurately entered.

  • timmertimmer
    edited September 2016 Posts: 4,622
    Look what I found on page 1 of this thread, from March 2011!
    A little summary of the Jan 2011 list aggregation. The totals got blown-up when the old Mi6 got blowed up like Blofeld's SP meteor base.
    So CR was a strong 3rd ahead of a pak of 4, that trailed the clear cut #'s 1, 2 and #3
    That's quite significant I think. CR has been on an upward trajectory ever since.
    timmer wrote: »
    So I guess that summary of the lists I did back in January is history. Anyway doesn't really matter. I think those that were interested all had a good look at it at the time. We covered off well over a 120 unique user lists going back over a year. Thats a pretty good sample, so I don't think it was going to change much. FRWL was the runaway winner followed by OHMSS and CR with TB, GF, TLD and DN rounding out the super seven. By super seven I mean there was a big drop off to #8.<br />
    DAD, TWINE and AVTAK were the big bottom feeders with DAD in a class by itself.<br />
    With the new site and new lists, the new site launch becomes a logical starting point for the next summary.<br />
    Might I suggest at the end of 2011, we would simply start processing the lists working backwards from Dec 31st being careful to use only the last list from each person, and see what the list totals look like for 2011.<br />
    <br />
    ==one thing I noticed when compiling the list totals in Dec/Jan was that very few female members post lists. In fact almost zero. Wonder why that was. Are guys just more inclined to geek out over such things?<br />
    The genders truly are very different, and not just anatomically.

  • w2bondw2bond is indeed a very rare breed
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    @timmer
    timmer wrote: »
    I did that too for the same reason. Our methodology was identical. Great data-hungry minds think alike.

    Yes, it's interesting to read people's opinions but also to get raw data to find out the general consensus. Often the vocal minority makes you think opinions for a film has changed when it really hasn't (ge, QoS, gf).

    Also to track trends over time (not much change since 2006). Unfortunately i haven't been able to find many rankings prior to that.
    timmer wrote: »
    Look what I found on page 1 of this thread, from March 2011!
    A little summary of the Jan 2011 list aggregation. The totals got blown-up when the old Mi6 got blowed up like Blofeld's SP meteor base.
    So CR was a strong 3rd ahead of a pak of 4, that trailed the clear cut #'s 1, 2 and #3
    That's quite significant I think. CR has been on an upward trajectory ever since.
    timmer wrote: »
    So I guess that summary of the lists I did back in January is history. Anyway doesn't really matter. I think those that were interested all had a good look at it at the time. We covered off well over a 120 unique user lists going back over a year. Thats a pretty good sample, so I don't think it was going to change much. FRWL was the runaway winner followed by OHMSS and CR with TB, GF, TLD and DN rounding out the super seven. By super seven I mean there was a big drop off to #8.<br />
    DAD, TWINE and AVTAK were the big bottom feeders with DAD in a class by itself.<br />
    With the new site and new lists, the new site launch becomes a logical starting point for the next summary.<br />
    Might I suggest at the end of 2011, we would simply start processing the lists working backwards from Dec 31st being careful to use only the last list from each person, and see what the list totals look like for 2011.<br />
    <br />
    ==one thing I noticed when compiling the list totals in Dec/Jan was that very few female members post lists. In fact almost zero. Wonder why that was. Are guys just more inclined to geek out over such things?<br />
    The genders truly are very different, and not just anatomically.

    Thanks for that! It's a shame the old records are gone. There's still a few old lists from the CBN/ajb forums

    I've also sourced lists from around the net and it's mostly consistent with Bond forums except GF is the undisputed winner. This list comprises of entertainment websites and YouTube etc so it will also include Bond fans but also casual audience who have taken the effort to watch them all. For the casual reviews especially media sites the reasons can be really throwaway like 'i like oddjob' or one from a female YouTuber who ranked FRWL near last because she didn't like how women were treated.
  • Gustav_GravesGustav_Graves
    Posts: 11,119
    Birdleson wrote: »
    Having just completed another Bond-A-Thon, I think it's time to update my rankings. Very few changes.

    1. GOLDFINGER (1964)
    2. FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE (1963)
    3. ON HER MAJESTY'S SECRET SERVICE (1969)
    4. CASINO ROYALE (2006)
    5. THE SPY WHO LOVED ME (1977)
    6. DR. NO (1962)
    7. LIVE AND LET DIE (1973)
    8. THUNDERBALL (1965)
    9. YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE (1967)
    10. QUANTUM OF SOLACE (2008)
    11. GOLDENEYE (1995)
    12. SKYFALL (2012)
    13. FOR YOUR EYES ONLY (1981)
    14. LICENCE TO KILL (1989)
    15. THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN (1974)
    16. DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER (1971)
    17. OCTOPUSSY (1983)
    18. TOMORROW NEVER DIES (1997)
    19. THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS (1987)
    20. DIE ANOTHER DAY (2002)
    21. A VIEW TO A KILL (1985)
    22. MOONRAKER (1977)
    23. THE WORLD IS NOT ENOUGH (1999)
    24. SPECTRE (2015)

    I just...don't get it. People putting SP 24th and putting entirely flawed films like DAD, AVTAK and DAF higher.

    Mr Big being exploded like a balloon, the sexist treatment of ladies in DAF, CGI surf scenes, unconvincing acting, girls in bikini's, because 'it's easier to see what they are hiding', Moore being doubled constantly.....I don't get it :-).
  • vzokvzok
    Posts: 4,044
    Gustav - what you don't get is that they just don't like it. I can't see the hate either. But there it is. Luckily you can put their favourite films last too.
  • vzokvzok
    edited September 2016 Posts: 4,044
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Okay so this updated list is still partially how I feel nostalgia wise towards the series, yet having rewatched several Bonds recently, a few have been switched around in my rankings. It's been at least 2 years since I've seen all the way through: GF, TB, TMWTGG, MR and DAD. I'll pop those in eventually and see if it's even possible for DAD to climb the ladder.



    1. DR NO
    2. GOLDFINGER
    3. FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE
    4. THE SPY WHO LOVED ME
    5. THUNDERBALL
    6. ON HER MAJESTY'S SECRET SERVICE
    7. THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS
    8. OCTOPUSSY/NSNA
    9. CASINO ROYALE
    10. LIVE AND LET DIE
    11. LICENCE TO KILL
    12. FOR YOUR EYES ONLY
    13. A VIEW TO A KILL
    14.DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER
    15.YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE
    16. SKYFALL
    17. GOLDENEYE
    18. SPECTRE
    19. MOONRAKER
    20. THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN/ CR 54
    21. TOMORROW NEVER DIES/ CR 67
    22. QUANTUM OF SOLACE
    23. THE WORLD IS NOT ENOUGH
    24. DIE ANOTHER DAY

    @ToTheRight

    Can I ask you to drop your top 10 here:

    http://www.mi6community.com/index.php?p=/discussion/16631/bond-polls-2016-the-big-james-bond-007-film-contest-your-top-10-of-best-bond-films/p1

    I'd like to see NSNA get some points in Gustav's Best Bond Movie Poll.

    Cheers
  • Gustav_GravesGustav_Graves
    Posts: 11,119
    vzok wrote: »
    Gustav - what you don't get is that they just don't like it. I can't see the hate either. But there it is. Luckily you can put their favourite films last too.

    That is true. But I did found some instance where people really liked SP on first watch in the cinema. And then...after all the discussions in here......they let it sink to the bottom. I usually don't do it, and let my experience on first watch weigh as well.

    But indeed, it's all a matter of taste also ;-).
  • w2bondw2bond is indeed a very rare breed
    Posts: 2,252
    It's a subjective list and those films are more enjoyable to watch than spectre. DAF is one of the worst quality wise but it's a guilty pleasure.

    Quality wise (with the exception of mainly the plot and score) Imo spectre fares quite well
  • vzokvzok
    Posts: 4,044
    Gustav_Graves wrote: »
    vzok wrote: »
    Gustav - what you don't get is that they just don't like it. I can't see the hate either. But there it is. Luckily you can put their favourite films last too.

    That is true. But I did found some instance where people really liked SP on first watch in the cinema. And then...after all the discussions in here......they let it sink to the bottom. I usually don't do it, and let my experience on first watch weigh as well.

    But indeed, it's all a matter of taste also ;-).

    I'm with you Gustav. I can understand people hating a movie, or their opinion changing through time. But I can't understand someone really enjoying it and then just a month or so later hating it.

    @Birdleson - maybe in 10 years you'll like Spectre, something to look forward to.
  • GBFGBF
    edited September 2016 Posts: 3,197
    Gustav_Graves wrote: »
    Birdleson wrote: »
    Having just completed another Bond-A-Thon, I think it's time to update my rankings. Very few changes.

    I just...don't get it. People putting SP 24th and putting entirely flawed films like DAD, AVTAK and DAF higher.

    Mr Big being exploded like a balloon, the sexist treatment of ladies in DAF, CGI surf scenes, unconvincing acting, girls in bikini's, because 'it's easier to see what they are hiding', Moore being doubled constantly.....I don't get it :-).

    For me Spectre is 22/24 and I think everyone cares about a different element in a film.
    The cinematography is great and the cast is good and there are not many obvious flaws that make you cringe. However, these elements have never bothered me that much in other films. I personally think that a Bond film should have a good script, interesting characters and a good pacing. I don't really care if Bond is a bit too old, if there is one bad joke too many or if a stunt double can be seen in a particular scene.

    I think that Spectre has probably the weakest script of the whole series. There is actually not one really good idea in that film. There is no uniqueness in the film. Everything has been done better before. The film might not have the obvious flaws that some other films have (the Brsonan or Moore films) but there is also nothing in it that stands out. All the characters are underused and wasted in the film. The cast is great but they have nothing to do in that film. Except for DAF the 3rd Act is the worst of the whole franchise. The climax is just horrible and since it is the last impression you get from a film it puts it down even further for me.

    For example Licence to kill is not my cup of tea overall but the climax is fantastic and that saves the film for me. In SP it is the opposite. The first act is good, the second is still ok but everything after the torture scene is just annoying. What were they thinking? Bond is tortured but has absolutely no injuries? He just blows the whole crater up with two shots. Come on, there is absolutely no tension at all. Compare that to the great climax in YOLT where we really have a big showdown. In SP everything is rushed and the scenes in London are just stupid. Bond is more like Batman or Spiderman, there. He can just shoot down a helicopter with one shot and It is just too much, especially since the film is allready way too long. They should have decided if they want to make the climax in London on in the crater.
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