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QOS & TLD are WORLDS apart in my rankings !
In mine too ;)
hahaha the opposite to mine though ;)
That's why I believe the choice of director is 'critical' under the current leadership, given their increasing importance. They've been prioritizing 'passion' by their own admission of late, but I think it would be helpful if they also consider someone with a more visionary outlook for the character, as opposed to approaching it on a film by film basis. That would avoid the 'choppiness' (at least imho) in concept and execution which we've seen of late.
I wasn't aware that Cubby and Harry rotated principal producing duties on the earlier films. Come to think of it, there is a slight tonal difference between GF, YOLT & DAF in comparison to the other films. I wonder if that explains it (other than the obvious director change).
p.153 "In April 66 [...] Variety announced the first signs of fissures in the Eon camp..."
"...they would informally be the key producer on alternate films, each one being involved; one having final say. Broccoli took the producing reigns for You Only Live Twice."
p.221 "Steven Saltzman confirmed the worsening state of affairs at his father's company. Eon Productions, '[Broccoli and Saltzman] alternated on films. It didn't mean they weren't both involved but one had final decision and was actually dealing with it on a daily basis. For Live and Let Die it was Harry.' "
p.243 Hamilton before TMWTGG -"...it was arranged diplomatically that the next picture would be Cubby's or Harry's. I think that was the solution Cubby desired."
If they actually alternated each time without making two consecutive films after YOLT, then we can guess that Cubby was also the head producer for DAF/TMWTGG and Harry was for OHMSS. Not sure if those are explicitly said however.
- Cubby: GF, YOLT, DAF, TMWTGG
- Harry: DN, FRWL, TB, OHMSS, LALD
Or did I misread?
Well the book implies that they only alternated from YOLT to TMWTGG. They definitely wouldn't have done it before Thunderball though.
In his autobiography Tom Mankiewicz at least confirmed Cubby at the helm of DAF:
pg. 136: "Harry Saltzman and Cubby Broccoli were the producers. They traded first billing. Traditionally, one of them would take the next film and produce it principally. So, Diamonds Are Forever was Cubby's film."
He then mentions this is one of the reasons Connery agreed to return (he didn't want Harry around).
I suppose this also further implies Harry's helm of OHMSS.
Yes. Perhaps a bit of a SF-SP situation there as well, @bondjames. How much bigger than TB could it get? Maybe that was worrying (even if the ultimate answer was, it couldn't). YOLT was the first film with a two year gap preceding it. If the size of the empire got too big post-TB I can see how having one producer always more focused on the next one might serve as insurance, for consistency — aside from bridging any fissures which might have cropped up.
I agree that seems that's the case based on the quotes provided. Four films in four years plus having to negotiate an additional producer in McClory for the fourth could understandably strain a relationship.
Still curious that GF is the only film for which Cubby is credited first.
Still, despite YOLT's notable ambition it does come across as a bit lax in comparison to its predecessors (as does SP, to put it mildly) and in both cases there could have been behind the scenes stresses (script idiocy with SP and Cubby/Harry issues with YOLT) which contributed to that.
Yes, I suppose it only looks now like Bond couldn't go any bigger than TB because it didn't. As you rightly say, the same was true of GF until it wasn't.
2. DR. NO
3. GOLDFINGER
4. FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE
5. OCTOPUSSY/NEVER SAY NEVER AGAIN
6. THE SPY WHO LOVED ME
7. LIVE AND LET DIE
8. ON HER MAJESTY'S SECRET SERVICE
9. THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS
10. A VIEW TO A KILL
11. LICENCE TO KILL
12. FOR YOUR EYES ONLY
13. SKYFALL
14. CASINO ROYALE 06
15. DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER
16. YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE
17. MOONRAKER
18. THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN/ CR 54
19. TOMORROW NEVER DIES
20. GOLDENEYE
21. THE WORLD IS NOT ENOUGH
22. SPECTRE
23. QUANTUM OF SOLACE
24. DIE ANOTHER DAY/ CR 67
I love TB. GoldenEye should be higher, actually. I found the last time I watched TND, it held up slightly more. Probably due to the Arnold score and it's overall sense of fun.
It's been quite some time since I've seen TWINE all the way through, so I can imagine it may change in my rankings in the future.
Kind of sad to have QOS second to last. An opening better designed gunbarrel and a well placed "Bond. James Bond" could have rectified that.
2. Casino Royale 2006 10
3. Licence To Kill 10
4. The Living Daylights 10
5. Thunderball 10
6. Goldfinger 10
7. From Russia With Love 10
8. Dr. No 10
9. On Her Majesty's Secret Service 10
10. Quantum Of Solace 9
11. Tomorrow Never Dies 9
12. For Your Eyes Only 9
13. The Spy Who Loved Me 9
14. Octopussy 9
15. Moonraker 9
16. A View To A Kill 8
17. The World Is Not Enough 8
18. Die Another Day 8
19. Skyfall 8
20. Diamonds Are Forever 8
21. Live And Let Die 8
22. The Man With The Golden Gun 8
23. You Only Live Twice 8
24. Casino Royale 1967 7
25. Never Say Never Again 6
26. Spectre 4
Thank you my friend. I'm a happy camper I guess.
2. GOLDFINGER
3. DR NO
4. FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE
5. THE SPY WHO LOVED ME
6. ON HER MAJESTY'S SECRET SERVICE
7. LIVE AND LET DIE
8. THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS
9. CASINO ROYALE 06
10. OCTOPUSSY/NEVER SAY NEVER AGAIN
11. FOR YOUR EYES ONLY
12. LICENCE TO KILL
13. A VIEW TO A KILL
14. SKYFALL
15. GOLDENEYE
16. YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE
17. DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER
18. THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN/ CR 54
19. MOONRAKER
20. SPECTRE
21. THE WORLD IS NOT ENOUGH
22. QUANTUM OF SOLACE
23. TOMORROW NEVER DIES
24. DIE ANOTHER DAY/ CR 67
I like this list pretty well. TND, QOS, YOLT, SF, and GE I wish were higher, but other than that pretty similar.
Thanks! I toy with mixing it up more, but they end up clumped in various eras: the John Glens, and Hamilton and Gilbert are intermixed a bit. The early Connerys always remain in my top 5.
Thanks! I toy with mixing it up more, but they end up clumped in various eras: the John Glens, and Hamilton and Gilbert are intermixed a bit. The early Connerys always remain in my top 5.quote]
I didn't know Connery was Bond in TSWLM ? ;)
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LOL! Indeed he was. It was going to be called Warhead. :)
TSWLM is another I seem to always have up there as well, though OP, FYEO and LALD tend to battle for that number one Roger spot as well. TSWLM is one of the first I saw as a kid after MR came out and loved it.
1) FRWL
2) TB
3) GF
4) FYEO
5) OHMSS
6) CR
7) SF
8) YOLT
9) TMWTGG
10) DN
11) DAF
12) GE
13) TLD
14) LALD
15) TSWLM
16) TWINE
17) QOS
18) SP
19) DAD
20) MR
21) OP
22) AVTAK
23) TND
24)LTK
It's great to see someone showing appreciation for TMWTGG (a sentimental favourite of mine).