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Apart from the obviously farcical position of OHMSS I find it rather difficult to know what to say about this.
He has DN, FYEO, FRWL and CR, which are some of the most Flemingesque films, all top 10 but then OHMSS down there. Rather schizophrenic.
Clearly some sort of Brosnan die hard (which I suppose is fair enough) as he inexplicably has DAD midtable and the others all in the top 10.
But OHMSS bottom and with an ignominious gap pointedly left to denote not only bottom but bottom by miles? Its so tragic I can't in all conscience berate him. I actually just feel pity for him.
I find the films an entirely different thing altogether.
The fact is I find DAD no more over the top than many of the Bond films, but ranking the bottom ten is tricky, with the exception of OHMSS, which is handicapped by a chimp lookalike in the leading role, who really can't act.
You should not feel the need to berate people who have a different opinion yo yours, you may find life gets hard for you!
The man was the highest paid male model in the world at the time.
2) From Russia With Love
3) Skyfall
4) Thunderball
5) The Man With The Golden Gun
6) Quantum of Solace
7) Licence To Kill
8 ) Dr. No
9) On Her Majesty’s Secret Service
10) Goldeneye
11) Goldfinger
12) You Only Live Twice
13) Live And Let Die
14) Die Another Day
15) The Living Daylights
16) Octopussy
17) The Spy Who Loved Me
18) Tomorrow Never Dies
19) Diamonds Are Forever
20) For Your Eyes Only
21) Moonraker
22) The World Is Not Enough
23) A View To A Kill
I am not aware if a not liking Lazenby bandwagon around here, quite the opposite!!!
I don't mind if you disagree, they are only opinions at the end of the day.
Yeah because having a 'chimp' (Gareth Bale as the next Bond? You read it here first) in the role makes the Fleming faithful script, Barrys epic music, fantastic photography, brilliant direction and phenomenal stuntwork all completely redundant doesnt it?
Much better to have a clothes horse in the role, an invisible car, a travesty of a Bond girl, a diabolical title song and CGI layered on like make up on a 47 year old Reeperbahn whore.
We all have our favourite and least favourite actors as Bond but that alone is only one aspect of a Bond film. Personally I would say DAD is probably Brozza's most accomplished performance in the role but that doesnt help prevent the film being a total abortion. Similarly, however much you hate Lazenby, having a chimp in the role is not enough to drag OHMSS beneath DAD and DAF and quite a number of the other 20 films.
This is a perfect demonstration of why the phrase 'everyone is entitled to their opinion' shouldnt be used as a get out of jail free card for being a moron. This guy is allowed to vote for Christ's sake! Do you trust Shoreline's judgement to decide who should have their finger on the button?
And I think you'll find I didnt berate you old chap. I pitied you.
It's no secret that I regard Lazenby as little more than an action star, which requires little to no acting skills and just the ability to move and fight impressively, and have been on said bandwagon since 1969. He's still the worst of the six Bond actors in my view. But as @Wiz relates, consistent with my own philosophy on Bond films, the lead actor is only one aspect and a Bond movie cannot be fairly judged on that alone.
01. Casino Royale
02. Goldfinger
03. From Russia With Love
04. Skyfall
05. The Living Daylights
06. Thunderball
07. On Her Majesty's Secret Service
08. The Spy Who Loved Me
09. GoldenEye
10. Licence to Kill
11. Dr. No
12. Quantum of Solace
13. For Your Eyes Only
14. Tomorrow Never Dies
15. You Only Live Twice
16. Live and Let Die
17. Diamonds Are Forever
18. The Man With the Golden Gun
19. The World Is Not Enough
20. A View to a Kill
21. Octopussy
22. Moonraker
23. Die Another Day
24. Never Say Never Again
As someone who I know is utterly immune to any merits people might see in Laz, I regard these words by SirHenry as pretty fatal to any last vestiges of hope Shoreline might have had for his deranged argument.
If you cant even get SirHenry on your side in an anti Laz debate you're on your own I'm afraid.
#22 Quantum of Solace
#21 Die Another Day
#20 Tomorrow Never Dies
#19 The World is Not Enough
#18 Casino Royale
#17 Goldeneye
#16 Live and Let Die
#15 Diamond are Forever
#14 Licence to Kill
#13 A View to a Kill
#12 The Man with The Golden Gun
#11 Dr No
#10 You Only Live Twice
#9 Moonraker
#8 The Spy Who Loved Me
#7 Goldfinger
#6 Thunderball
#5 The Living Daylights
#4 Octopussy
#3 On Her Majesty’s Secret Service
#2 For Your Eyes Only
#1 From Russia With Love
I see what you're trying to do there Perdogg. Slipping in your own laughable list (all three Craig films below DAF? Do me a favour) on the sly when we are all blinded by an even more ludicrous one by Shoreline!
Very cunning.
If our debates on the subject of Lazenby were a boxing match, surely the stuff of MI6 legend by now, they have all ended as blood filled no contests with both combatants too exhausted to continue b-( . However it should be noted that I wasn't looking at Shoreline's statement as an anti-Laz debate but more rather in defense of an otherwise great film- that George barely got through by the skin of his teeth ;)
And didn't we rip Perdogg a new one before on his thoroughly stupid list?
With regards to @Shoreline's list. To base your disdain for OHMSS entirely on your dislike for Lazenby shows a pretty narrow view does it not?
I am also in that group who does not rate him as an actor at all. In fact he ranks bottom of the actors as far as I'm concerned but just like @TheWiz and @SirHenry, the film itself is superb. It's one of the very best. There is so much more to admire and enjoy than just Lazenby.
Have you read the books at all? Are you a fan of Fleming or do you watch the films only?
To think that a film like OHMSS - born from the pen of Fleming himself can be considered far worse than DAD - born shat out the arse of Satan himself, is quite frankly embarassing. It is a hideously mangled car crash of a film. There is nothing that distinguishes itself as a Bond film.
At least with MR, you laugh with it because it knows it's so preposterous and far fetched. With DAD, you're laughing at it (when you're not burying your head into your hands) because it's trying to carry the whole thing off with a straight face.
Have at it. My last ranking is on page two of this thread.
1. From Russia With Love <b>(0)</b>
2. Dr. No <b>(0)</b>
3. On Her Majesty’s Secret Service <b>(0)</b>
4. Thunderball <b>(0)</b>
5. For Your Eyes Only <font color=green><b>(+5)</b></font>
6. Licence To Kill <font color=red><b>(-1)</b></font>
7. The Living Daylights <b>(0)</b>
8. Octopussy <b>(0)</b>
9. Live And Let Die <font color=red><b>(-3)</b></font>
10. GoldenEye <font color=red><b>(-1)</b></font>
11. Goldfinger <b>(0)</b>
12. Casino Royale <b>(0)</b>
13. Quantum Of Solace <b>(NEW)</b>
14. Diamonds Are Forever <font color=red><b>(-1)</b></font>
15. Moonraker <font color=red><b>(-1)</b></font>
16. A View To A Kill <b>(0)</b>
17. Tomorrow Never Dies <font color=green><b>(+1)</b></font>
18. The World Is Not Enough <font color=red><b>(-3)</b></font>
19. You Only Live Twice <b>(0)</b>
20. The Man With The Golden Gun <font color=red><b>(-3)</b></font>
21. The Spy Who Loved Me <font color=red><b>(-1)</b></font>
22. Die Another Day <font color=red><b>(-1)</b></font>
<font color=green><b>2</b></font> go up
<font color=red><b>9</b></font> go down
<b>10</b> stay the same
So what do you think, is it just about passable?
Well, to be honest, passable is in the eyes of the beholder. You have 7 of my top 10 films in your version, but Perdogg as an example has 6. For myself, GF, CR, and Spy are way too low, GF and CR are my #1 and #2 and Spy I'd have at #12. My "line of shame", which doesn't mean the films are completely devoid of some good moments, includes DAD, MR, DAF, TWINE, and TMWTGG. It's really only MR and DAD that I have to totally brace myself for when it comes to a rewatch.
P.S- Skyfall would be about at #8 in my current view. My top 10 would go GF, CR, LTK, FRWL, TLD, TB, OHMSS, SF, DN, and FYEO.
Isn't is kind of difficult to really compare all 23 Bond movies? Let's say we were to make Goldfinger today or From Russia With Love. Today, the producers would have a bit more licence with the current state of morality. There should be an exchange mechanisms.
Yes and why I never do. I think it's feasible to compare say, TLD and LTK, GF and TB, TSWLM and MR, for example, but comparing say, TSWLM with LTK seems redundant to me. Just my opinion.
1. Goldfinger
2. From Russia With Love
3. Casino Royale
4. Skyfall
5. The Spy Who Loved Me
6. Goldeneye
7. On her Majesty's Secret Service
8. License To Kill
9. Live and Let die
10. The Man with the Golden Gun
11. Dr. No
12. Thunderball
13. For Your Eyes Only
14. The World Is not Enough
15. A View to a kill
16. Tomorrow Never Dies
17. You only live twice
18. Never Say Never Again
19. Octopussy
20. The living Daylights
21. Die Another Day
22. Diamond are Forever
23. Quantum of Solace
24. Moonraker
NSNA better than TLD? I'd love to know your reasons for this.
Now that's an improvement right there. Never count a cheap imitation as a real Bond film. It's like having Ripple in a fine wine cellar.
Awesome top 3, but TLD at #20 is a major head scratcher.
Indeed. However its not difficult to see that CR and SF are better than DAF and MR.