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Understatement of the day right there.
2. Licence To Kill
3. From Russia With Love
4. On Her Majestys Secret Service
5. Tomorrow Never Dies
6. You Only Live Twice
7. For Your Eyes Only
8. Dr No
9. GoldenEye
10. Thunderball
11. Octopussy
12. The Spy Who Loved Me
13. The World Is Not Enough
14. Live And Let Die
15. The Man With The Golden Gun
16. Goldfinger
17. Moonraker
18. Die Another Day
19. Diamonds Are Forever
20. Skyfall
21. Casino Royale
22. A View To A Kill
23. Quantum Of Solace
Indeed.
True, though some on here would seek to argue the point...
I'm guessing you seriously hate DC and his films.
No doubt closeted members of the DCINB crew. Although @Perdogg claims he doesn't hate Craig. Just his films I guess.
Objectively they are better made, on most fronts. I'd argue MR's cinematography is on a par with both, possibly better. I'd argue DAF and MR's scores are both almost unarguably better, the same goes for production design. When it comes to the nuts and bolts, story and characterisation, CR and SF obviously win. But, surely these rankings aren't meant to be objective, otherwise they'd all pretty much end up the same, give or take a film or two. I personally find DAF a bit of a comfort blanket (yes a comfort blanket, bite me) and return to it very often, for the absurd but wildly enjoyable ride, I personally find it to be. While @Perdogg may have a hidden agenda, I don't think it's fair to attack anyone who dare diss the Craig films. As my dear old mother once said re. CR 'I thought it was a really brilliant film, but it wasn't a James Bond film'. While I may not agree, I have to consider the opinions of a woman who spent her entire life bombarded with Bond.
I agree. And there may be others who feel the same but with no online forum affiliation. @Perdogg is my protege and I feel very protective of him even if I don't share his views on the Craig era of films...MI6 should be a democracy with no witch-hunts.
01 --> 9.5/10 --> 'On Her Majesty's Secret Service'
02 --> 9.3/10 --> 'From Russia With Love'
03 --> 9.0/10 --> 'Skyfall'
04 --> 8.7/10 --> 'Casino Royale'
05 --> 8.3/10 --> 'Thunderball'
06 --> 8.0/10 --> 'For Your Eyes Only'
Good films!:
07 --> 7.6/10 --> [colo
01 --> 9.5/10 --> 'On Her Majesty's Secret Service'
02 --> 9.3/10 --> 'From Russia With Love'
03 --> 9.0/10 --> 'Skyfall'
04 --> 8.7/10 --> 'Casino Royale'
05 --> 8.3/10 --> 'Thunderball'
06 --> 8.0/10 --> 'For Your Eyes Only'
Good films!:
07 --> 7.6/10 --> 'Doctor No'
08 --> 7.5/10 --> 'Octopussy'
09 --> 7.4/10 --> 'The Living Daylights'
10 --> 7.1/10 --> 'Licence To Kill'
11 --> 7.0/10 --> 'Goldfinger'
Average films:
12 --> 6.7/10 --> 'The World Is Not Enough'
13 --> 6.4/10 --> 'Quantum Of Solace'
14 --> 6.2/10 --> 'The Man With The Golden Gun'
15 --> 6.0/10 --> 'Never Say Never Again' (non-EON)
16 --> 6.0/10 --> 'Live And Let Die'
Fun stuff for Bond nerds, but as a standalone film bad and sometimes even groce!:
17 --> 5.6/10 --> 'The Spy Who Loved Me'
18 --> 5.3/10 --> 'Diamonds Are Forever'
19 --> 5.0/10 --> 'Moonraker'
20 --> 4.8/10 --> 'Tomorrow Never Dies'
21 --> 4.5/10 --> 'You Only Live Twice'
22 --> 4.2/10 --> 'GoldenEye'
23 --> 3.4/10 --> 'A View To A Kill'
24 --> 2.8/10 --> 'Die Another Day'
25 --> 1.0/10 --> 'Casino Royale' (non-EON)
By the way....are we merely judging each actor and how much we like or dislike him? Or are we judging each Bond film as a high-quality standalone film not being part of a franchise?
I also disagree with Mom as well about CR, I see her point to a degree, but is she familiar with the book? A solid adaptation of the novel, which Perdogg I know feels differently about, but most people who know the books are comfortable with and love the modern adaptation which certainly is an immeasurable improvement on it's predecessors. As it is Fleming's first novel, in certain ways it is indeed "Bond begins" and for my money better done than the other reboots out there.
MR always scores points for it's cinematography and soundtrack, as these are nearly inarguably it's best traits. SF for me has the best cinematography since, just a masterful job by Roger Deakins. His night time shots are even more stunning than MR's night time scenes. Soundtracks, ach, it's nearly sacrilege to take a non Barry soundtrack over a Barry. DAF is my all time favorite of Barry's Bond and MR is also his usual excellence, although there are many fine musical moments to be found in both CR and SF. Arnold's CR romance pieces for me are as good as anything Barry ever did, and it's tough to argue that when the master said so himself!
I also couldn't give to short shits if you or Sir Henry were on my side, I really couldn't.
If you remember, you were warned once before by mods here for calling me an imbecile.
You come across as the worst type of pompous pleb with to much time on his hands, so stay out of my way with your self righteous crap okay?
I don't pity or berate anyone around here for their opinions.
You really should grow up and get a job or go and relieve yourself somehow of the tension you clearly are displaying.
Instead of asking someone who has a different opinion of yours, you rally with your friends and try to single me out as someone who isn't valued or wanted around here.
Remember, you have been down this path with me before, and its your type who make this place not very fun.
Really, what you are is a bully with no balls, as it is easy to mock and mickey take behind your geeky wizard name.
For the record, I have probably been reading Fleming before you grew teeth.
I really see no point in staying around to even give you anymore time of my day to actually open a proper discussion on Bond related films.
1. TLD
2. LTK
3. TND
4. GE
5. TB
6. DN
7. YOLT
8. TWINE
9. QOS
10. LALD
11. OP
12. FRWL
13. TMWTGG
14. FYEO
15. CR
16. OHMSS
17. GF
18. TSWLM
19. DAF
20. SF
21. DAD
22. AVTAK
23. MR
Here's an attempt at an objective list leaving out my personal preferences:
1. FRWL
2. CR
3. OHMSS
4. GE
5. GF
6. TLD
7. TB
8. YOLT
9. TND
10. TWINE
11. SF
12. DN
13. LTK
14. TSWLM
15. FYEO
16. LALD
17. OP
18. TMWTGG
19. QOS
20. DAF
21. AVTAK
22. MR
23. DAD
No she isn't Sit Henry, but I guess that is kind of my point. Unfortunately it is mainly the hardcore few who define Bond by Fleming. The cinematic Bond became it's own beast and thus for the majority of viewers 'Flemingesque' moments are of no concern, it is 'Bondesque' moments they crave. I know this is a bitter pill to swallow for a few (not yourself) but it is the way of things. Perhaps that will change over time.
@RC7- I wonder what Mom thinks about SF then, since it's obviously (at least to most) more of an identifiable work of cinematic Bond.
@Gustav- I'd like to know that myself, but it appears that @Shoreline is more interested in continuing his feud with Wiz than debating this point with the rest of us. Like Wiz says, no one here is a more shining example of a Lazenby detractor than I, but it seems rather short sighted to use that alone as an excuse to trash the rest of the film and those who like it unless it's a case of "it's my way or the highway, too bad if you don't like it".
She hasn't seen it. She's not too fussed about the Craig era, she doesn't think he's Bond. She's a very intelligent woman but I don't think she has the time or inclination to fawn over the Flemingesque nuances. Like I said, she appreciated CR for being a well made, thrillingly executed story. I'm sure she'd feel the same about SF, bar Silva's inane plan ;)
Yet again, you read what you want to see.
I have not "trashed" anyone for liking a film, I am the one getting trashed for not liking a film!!
Also, if you read my previous post, I said that ranking the last ten movies was very hard, if I have to spell it out to you I meant that I like them much the same, OHMSS drops off as it has a rubbish lead actor which distinguished it very clearly from the rest.
There is in fact a lot to like about the film, the theme song was my wedding song for Christ sake!
Don't jump to conclusions to quickly...
IMHO, for example, the scene at the end of FYEO where Bond quips about detente with Gen Gogol, I cannot see that scene with Craig. I can see the scene with Dalton, Laz, and Brosnan, maybe Connery, but not Craig.
IMHO, the scene between Sir Rog and Christopher Lee at the dinner table, I just cannot picture Craig having the same screen impact as Moore. Then again, I can see Brosnan and Dalton doing it. There is an independence and intelligence about Moore, Connery, Laz, Dalton, and Brosnan that I have not seen yet from Craig. I do not think this Craig's fault.
Thank you, I address you because that's is where I saw my name and the term "hidden agenda".
And I always back you up @RC7. I even feel safe behind your big Richard Kiel-esque back. You are big, so enough to back you :-). Any more 'back up'-ers here? Or do we have our own back-ups? :-).
Has Balje been round your place with a twenty-bag and a bong?
Sounds very much like it...
Look, dude, I'm not your enemy nor am I looking to be. So don't push it. And I didn't trash you for not liking the film, I agree that Lazenby is a crappy Bond and for many years I allowed that alone to cloud my judgment of the overall film. And I realized many years ago back in the 1990's during the hiatus that, speaking strictly for myself, I was very wrong. And all I'm suggesting here is that you consider that I had a similar stance and examine your reasons a little deeper, because like me you might be surprised. All I wanted to know is what reasons you had past not liking Lazenby to rate films like MR and DAD, who I personally feel are a gazillion times worse than all the others, as better films. And I wasn't the only one who wondered that so please don't single me out. If you feel you've done that and don't feel you'll change your mind, and don't feel the need to discuss it with other members, that's your right and no one can tell you what to think. I'm not looking to get between you and Wiz, you are both big boys and don't need me to referee your issues, that's the mods job to do if it needs to be done, not mine. I have my hands plenty full as a widowed father raising two teens by myself.
Says the man who rates OHMSS below DAD and DAF! What Fleming were you reading while I was still in the womb exactly? Thrilling Cities or Chitty Chitty Bang Bang? Because by dismissing one of the most Flemingesque Bond films you illustrate you clearly don't have the first clue about James Bond.
Quite happy to debate if you have some more reasonable arguments to put forth than 'George Lazenby is a chimp'. Forget OHMSS even if you like, theres way to big a gulf there for any common ground, I would seriously love to hear your justification for having DAD in 15th.'
Obviously my name has no reference to Harry Potter and the like - but then someone as well versed in Fleming as your good self would know that. In terms of mocking - yeah you're right it is sometimes too easy.