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@StirredNotShaken
@SomethingThatAteHim
@Creasy47
Everyone else I've now ruined the whole six-year wait for.
Well, you could take a break.
I think SP topped out at 18 for me, and then slid just a bit. I do agree that most folks had it very high upon initial release.
I remember one podcast I listened to *raving* about it, and then 4 years later they would reference it as a "disappointment." IIRC.
edit: By "just a bit" I should've said "is now at the bottom of my list." I am planning to give it an honest-to-God rewatch with the best intentions.
GOLDFINGER
ON HER MAJESTY'S SECRET SERVICE
THE SPY WHO LOVED ME
THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS
GOLDENEYE
Gold tier:
FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE
FOR YOUR EYES ONLY
OCTOPUSSY
LICENCE TO KILL
CASINO ROYALE
SKYFALL
Silver tier:
DR. NO
DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER
LIVE AND LET DIE
A VIEW TO A KILL
TOMORROW NEVER DIES
QUANTUM OF SOLACE
Bronze tier:
THUNDERBALL
NO TIME TO DIE
YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE
THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN
MOONRAKER
THE WORLD IS NOT ENOUGH
The wooden spoons:
DIE ANOTHER DAY
SPECTRE
SP sticked on mine. Not top 5 obviously.
1. From Russia With Love (1963)
2. On Her Majesty's Secret Service (1969)
3. Thunderball (1965)
4. Dr. No (1962)
5. Casino Royale (2006)
6. Goldfinger (1964)
7. License to Kill (1989)
8. GoldenEye (1995)
9. The Living Daylights (1987)
10. The Spy Who Loved Me (1977)
11. Skyfall (2012)
12. For Your Eyes Only (1981)
13. Octopussy (1983)
14. Moonraker (1979)
15. The World Is Not Enough (1999)
16. You Only Live Twice (1967)
17. Live and Let Die (1973)
18. Quantum of Solace (2008)
19. The Man with the Golden Gun (1974)
20. Spectre (2015)
21. Die Another Day (2002)
22. Tomorrow Never Dies (1997)
23. No Time To Die (2021)
24. A View to a Kill (1985)
25. Diamonds Are Forever (1971)
1. Casino Royale (2006)
2. From Russia with Love (1963)
3. On Her Majesty's Secret Service (1969)
4. No Time to Die (2021)
5. Dr. No (1962)
6. The Living Daylights (1987)
7. Licence to Kill (1989)
8. Skyfall (2012)
9. Goldfinger (1964)
10. Thunderball (1965)
11. GoldenEye (1995)
12. Quantum of Solace (2008)
13. For Your Eyes Only (1981)
14. The Spy Who Love Me (1977)
15. Spectre (2015)
16. Octopussy (1983)
17. Tomorrow Never Dies (1997)
18. The World is Not Enough (1999)
19. Live and Let Die (1973)
20. You Only Live Twice (1967)
21. The Man with the Golden Gun (1974)
22. A View to a Kill (1985)
23. Moonraker (1979)
24. Diamonds Are Forever (1971)
25. Die Another Day (2002)
1. GOLDFINGER
2. THUNDERBALL
3. THE SPY WHO LOVED ME
4. DR. NO
5. FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE
6. CASINO ROYALE 06
7. LIVE AND LET DIE
8. ON HER MAJESTY'S SECRET SERVICE
9. THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS
10. OCTOPUSSY/NEVER SAY NEVER AGAIN
11. TOMORROW NEVER DIES
12. SKYFALL
13. MOONRAKER
14. FOR YOUR EYES ONLY
15. QUANTUM OF SOLACE
16. THE WORLD IS NOT ENOUGH/CR 54
17. GOLDENEYE
18. LICENCE TO KILL
19. SPECTRE
20. DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER
21. YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE
22. THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN
23. A VIEW TO A KILL
24. DIE ANOTHER DAY /CR 67
This time around it's about 50/50 Bond Forums / Other sites, whereas pre-Spectre most rankings are from Bond forums. There's a few films viewed more, or less, favourable by Bond fans vs general fans that show up in the separate lists (note the films highlighted in red and purple
A few thoughts:
- Some circles in the Bond community say GE and QOS are over and under rated respectively, and that is not insignificantly reflected in the difference in rank compared to the general community.
- GF, long and still a general public fan favourite, is beaten by CR by a reasonable margin. I wonder if the woke era has caught up to it. So far I haven't seen widespread evidence of this, but the conversations are happening
- OHMSS is now the Bond community favourite, by a narrow margin
- Skyfall has dropped a few spots in the Bond community, but still a firm favourite in the general community
1 GOLDENEYE
2 CASINO ROYALE
= LICENCE TO KILL
= THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS
5 LIVE AND LET DIE
6 SKYFALL
= THE SPY WHO LOVED ME
8 FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE
= THE WORLD IS NOT ENOUGH
= ON HER MAJESTY'S SECRET SERVICE
11 GOLDFINGER
12 TOMORROW NEVER DIES
= SPECTRE
14 THUNDERBALL
15 FOR YOUR EYES ONLY
= YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE
= DR. NO
18 QUANTUM OF SOLACE
19 A VIEW TO A KILL
= OCTOPUSSY
21 THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN
22 DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER
23 MOONRAKER
24 NO TIME TO DIE
25 DIE ANOTHER DAY
Sadly, I even had to take a moment, albeit fleeting, to decide on which order to put 24 and 25. Didn't think that would happen again in my lifetime.
I love that film, but nobody I know watches that scene and doesn't grimace at the least. It mars the film. It doesn't have to sour the entire experience, but that is undoubtedly a difficult scene of what amounts to basically rape.
edit: In case you think I'm trying to "cancel" GF - it last ranked like 4th or 5th on my list. I adore it.
Fair call. But these days I see more reviews discussing that scene. But so far, as evidenced by your rating and the general consensus, it hasn't hurt opinion of it (tho I see the odd review that ranks gf - and frwl of all films - low because of the treatment of women)
I understand that this wouldn't fly today, but you are seeing it from a "today" perspective. Nowadays you can't even flirt in a work setting lest you risk losing your job, nowadays "Baby It's Cold Outside" is seen as a rape song. I wouldn't say today's views on this kind of thing are objective.
I have several issues with Goldfinger writing and pacing and "excitement" wise that factor into it being around the exact center of my ranking, but that scene definitely allows GoldenEye at the very least to edge it out for me.
Do you see what I'm getting at? Just because something was allowed 60 years ago, doesn't mean it was right then. Sometimes "today's lens" means we see the horrible things that went unchallenged for what they actually were.
Again, I'm going to reiterate that I love Goldfinger. I'm not trying to "cancel" Goldfinger. But defending that scene is going to get a side eye from me every day of the week.
Also, James Bond himself is a bastard. So we shouldn't be defending every single action he takes. That's what makes the character so compelling for 60 years!
1. OHMSS
2. LTK
3. FRWL
4. YOLT
5. CR
6. DN
7. GF
8. GE
9. QOS
10. LALD
11. TMWTGG
12. OP
13. TSWLM
14. TWINE
15. TB
16. FYEO
17. TLD
18. MR
19. TND
20. AVTAK
21. DAF
22. DAD
23. SF
24. SP
With that ranking I think NTTD is either going to end up as your top or bottom pick after your first viewing.
Exactly. Let that scene be a discussion point and sure, dislike the scene, but I don't think people need to spite the film because of it (though like I said I haven't seen much evidence of this, same with TB)
For me it's just, Phoebe Waller-Bridge actually made this AMAZING point in an interview about Bond and about if the character should change in a post-#MeToo world, Barbara Broccoli said the character would naturally change over time anyway which is fair, but Waller-Bridge said that, no, it's okay if BOND disservices a woman within a film, it's that the FILM itself shouldn't disservice her, and in the case of the scene from Goldfinger I feel pretty strongly that the FILM is disservicing Pussy Galore which is why I have a problem with it.
People criticise this scene until the cows come home, but then when Bond forcibly strips a woman naked in The Living Daylights they praise it as dark and flemingesque.
01 OHMSS
02 GF
03 FRWL
04 DN
05 QOS
06 NTTD
07 SP
08 YOLT
09 CR
10 TMWTGG
11 TB
12 SF
13 OP
14 DAF
15 AVTAK
16 LTK
17 DAD
18 MR
19 TND
20 NSNA
21 FYEO
22 TSWLM
23 TLD
24 GE
25 LALD
26 TWINE
Bond isn't doing that for his own titillation though (and say whatever you will about Bond needing Pussy on his side, he wants to have sex with her regardless) and while I certainly wouldn't say BOND is respectful to the woman in that moment, I don't think the FILM is disrespecting her.
I'm in the same boat, I'll re-evaluate my ranking after I've seen NTTD...next month! :((