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  • edited March 2014 Posts: 11,189
    There are glimpses of a better film in there, as shown mainly by Scaramanga and Andrea, but overall its simply a poor entry. The direction feels by-the-numbers and lacks any real energy. Its as if they were simply going through the motions making it. There's a grey look to the film, which is a shame as some of the locations really are exotic (I can't remember ever thinking "wow" at any of the cinematography). Most of the supporting characters are either poorly portrayed (Goodnight, Lieutenant Hip) or underused (Andrea).

    Moore is ok but I didn't find him particularly memorable here. There's a rigid-ness to his performance and it feels like he's trying as hard as he can to come off as aggressive and forceful. It doesn't really work despite a few good moments ("so speak or forever hold your piece").

    All this is before the truely abysmal "comedy" in the second half. Easily in the bottom 3 for me. Parts of it are ok but others are truly hideous.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    BAIN123 wrote:
    All this is before the truely abysmal "comedy" in the second half.
    Actually, I'm surprised at how 'serious' LALD turned out when you consider the films just before & after it.
    As time marches on, I find myself finding thinking that FYEO might eventually
    become my favourite Moore Bond, despite the 'fun' elements of some of his others. If ONLY it had a Barry score...
    :-\"
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    chrisisall wrote:
    BAIN123 wrote:
    All this is before the truely abysmal "comedy" in the second half.
    Actually, I'm surprised at how 'serious' LALD turned out when you consider the films just before & after it.
    As time marches on, I find myself finding thinking that FYEO might eventually
    become my favourite Moore Bond, despite the 'fun' elements of some of his others. If ONLY it had a Barry score...
    :-\"

    Live and Let Die was really funny and serious at the same time for me. It had great solemn scenes like when Tee Hee was about to cut off Bond's fingers but also had really good comedy throughout too.
  • edited March 2014 Posts: 11,189
    I think LALD was alright but not that funny. I remember watching some of it with my dad once. He was laughing his head off at the Sheriff Pepper stuff, I was just sitting there thinking "meh...ive seen funnier...this is just kind of silly". It's the slapstick comedy of a bygone era that, in all honesty, doesn't really belong in a Bond film.
  • edited March 2014 Posts: 12,475
    Current ranking now:
    023. A View to a Kill
    022. Moonraker
    021. Tomorrow Never Dies
    020. Die Another Day
    019. Octopussy
    018. Diamonds Are Forever
    017. Thunderball
    016. For Your Eyes Only
    015. The Man with the Golden Gun
    014. The Living Daylights
    013. The World is Not Enough
    012. From Russia with Love
    011. You Only Live Twice
    010. Live and Let Die
    009. Quantum of Solace
    008. Licence to Kill
    007. Dr. No
    006. GoldenEye
    005. The Spy Who Loved Me
    004. Goldfinger
    003. On Her Majesty's Secret Service
    002. Skyfall
    001. Casino Royale
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    FoxRox wrote:
    021. Tomorrow never Dies

    So low?

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    HULK SMASH!!!
  • Posts: 12,475
    chrisisall wrote:
    FoxRox wrote:
    021. Tomorrow never Dies

    So low?

    Hulk_zps17f595bc.jpg

    HULK SMASH!!!


    You already knew I didn't like it haha we've had this discussion before.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    edited March 2014 Posts: 17,804
    FoxRox wrote:
    You already knew I didn't like it haha we've had this discussion before.

    Sorry for the repetitive smash then. ;)
  • Posts: 12,475
    chrisisall wrote:
    FoxRox wrote:
    You already knew I didn't like it haha we've had this discussion before.

    Sorry for the repetitive smash then. ;)

    If it makes you feel better I don't really have a preference of Tomorrow Never Dies or Die Another Day; they're interchangeable.
  • edited March 2014 Posts: 4,622
    BAIN123 wrote:
    There are glimpses of a better film in there, as shown mainly by Scaramanga and Andrea, but overall its simply a poor entry. The direction feels by-the-numbers and lacks any real energy. Its as if they were simply going through the motions making it. There's a grey look to the film, which is a shame as some of the locations really are exotic (I can't remember ever thinking "wow" at any of the cinematography). Most of the supporting characters are either poorly portrayed (Goodnight, Lieutenant Hip) or underused (Andrea).

    Moore is ok but I didn't find him particularly memorable here. There's a rigid-ness to his performance and it feels like he's trying as hard as he can to come off as aggressive and forceful. It doesn't really work despite a few good moments ("so speak or forever hold your piece").

    All this is before the truely abysmal "comedy" in the second half. Easily in the bottom 3 for me. Parts of it are ok but others are truly hideous.
    Moore's performance yes is somewhat stiff. He was still growing into the role I think, trying to do what Guy Hamilton asked of him, ie be like Sean.
    Most of your critiques ring true to some extent.
    I do rank it top 9 mainly because I like the vibe of the film. Its both Bond escapist but with a spooky feel at times too. Its gets my attention. Barry's score is a real plus in terms of generating suspense and creating mood. Barry's score does draw me into several scenes.
    And I do like the Guy Hamilton touch. He goes for the eccentric characters and colour - but with much emphasis on danger and suspense too. There is much of the benign bizarre as @perilaguKhan might say.
    Hamilton deftly mixes the camp-danger blend, as well as any of the Bond directors I think.
    But this film could have been a lot better too. Hamilton I think was much more at ease directing Connery in GF and DAF. And he got a decent performance out of Moore in LALD too.
    But Sean was the perfect dangerous foil for the campier more escapist elements that Hamilton likes to bring.
    I think Hamilton was trying to keep a lid on Moore's more Saint like tendencies and make him dangerous, but this time with mixed results.

  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Birdleson wrote:
    19. TOMORROW NEVER DIES (1997)

    So low??
    Hulk will get back to you later.
  • edited March 2014 Posts: 12,475
    Birdleson wrote:
    Latest Update:

    1. GOLDFINGER (1964)
    2. FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE (1963)
    3. ON HER MAJESTY’S SECRET SERVICE (1969)/
    CASINO ROYALE (2006) - tie
    5. THE SPY WHO LOVED ME (1977)
    6. DR. NO (1962)
    7. LIVE AND LET DIE (1973)
    8. THUNDERBALL (1965)
    9. GOLDENEYE (1995)
    10. SKYFALL (2012)
    11. YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE (1967)
    12. THE WORLD IS NOT ENOUGH (1999)
    13. LICENCE TO KILL (1989)
    14. FOR YOUR EYES ONLY (1981)
    15. THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS (1987)
    16. QUANTUM OF SOLACE (2008)
    17. THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN (1974)
    18. DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER (1971)
    19. TOMORROW NEVER DIES (1997)
    20. A VIEW TO A KILL (1985)
    21. OCTOPUSSY (1983)
    22. MOONRAKER (1979)
    23. DIE ANOTHER DAY (2002)

    @Birdleson you must have my favorite ranking from anyone (besides myself). Don't agree 100% obviously but I understand why most of it is the way it is. Also liked the tie between OHMSS and CR - fantastic films. Good list!
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Birdleson wrote:
    I didn't realize personal lists were up for criticism on this one.

    Hulk follows no rules. I don't control him; just a friendly FYI.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Birdleson wrote:
    I didn't realize personal lists were up for criticism on this one.

    It was a joke. All good fun here. I was called Maniac Murdock for having Die Another Day in my top 10 several years ago. :))
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Birdleson wrote:
    19. TOMORROW NEVER DIES (1997)

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    TOO LOW HULK SMASH!!!
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Another update on the average for those who are interested. Easy now,Hulk! Good boy...

    1 CR
    2 SF up from 4
    3 OHMSS down from 2
    4 FRWL down from 3
    5 LTK up from 9
    6 GF down from 5
    7 GE down from 6
    8 TLD up from 10
    9 DN down from 6
    10TSWLM down from 8
    11TB
    12LALD
    13FYEO up from 14
    14QOS up from 17
    15OP up from 16
    16TWINE down from 15
    17YOLT down from 13
    18TND up from 19
    19TMWTGG down from 18
    20AVTAK up from 21
    21DAF up from 22
    22MR down from 20
    23DAD
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Birdleson wrote:
    That is a great gag. You should do that more often, it will never become old or annoying.
    Just for that I'll stop.
    See everyone? He just ruined it for the rest of you!
    [-(
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    chrisisall wrote:
    Birdleson wrote:
    That is a great gag. You should do that more often, it will never become old or annoying.
    Just for that I'll stop.
    See everyone? He just ruined it for the rest of you!
    [-(
    To quote Ian Fleming, He has. "No Sensayuma."
  • edited March 2014 Posts: 11,425
    As much as I dislike the 3 Craig films, Skyfall is the better of the 3.

    As for DAD, it might not be an example of the series at it best, but it still feels like a Bond film. When I watch DAD, I don't get the impression that the film makers are ashamed to be making Bond films. Also, up until Cuba, it's fairly decent. It's what follows afterwards that drags the film down.

    But they should have been!

    I see it the other way around. During the Brosnan era Babs and Michael were just concerned about keeping the show on the road. Rather than making decent Bond movies, they were focused on making money and not repeating any of the perceived mistakes surrounding the Dalton era.

    Only with the decision to ditch Brosnan did they start to show any real interest in the quality of the movies, which had become tired pastiches of themselves (as had happened to an extent during Roger's tenure at its worst - difference being Roger was a legend).
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Getafix wrote:
    As much as I dislike the 3 Craig films, Skyfall is the better of the 3.

    As for DAD, it might not be an example of the series at it best, but it still feels like a Bond film. When I watch DAD, I don't get the impression that the film makers are ashamed to be making Bond films. Also, up until Cuba, it's fairly decent. It's what follows afterwards that drags the film down.

    But they should have been!

    They were after the fact.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Murdock wrote:
    They were after the fact.

    After the screening Barbara & Michael look at each other: *facepalm*
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    They knew after DAD they'd messed up big time and had to do something radical to avoid becoming a complete laughing stock.

    Bourne was also going on in the background, which I think must have had an effect on them.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Getafix wrote:
    They knew after DAD they'd messed up big time and had to do something radical to avoid becoming a complete laughing stock.

    Bourne was also going on in the background, which I think must have had an effect on them.

    That was there driving influence. It's mentioned in the Casino Royale documentaries I believe.

  • Posts: 11,425
    Murdock wrote:
    Getafix wrote:
    They knew after DAD they'd messed up big time and had to do something radical to avoid becoming a complete laughing stock.

    Bourne was also going on in the background, which I think must have had an effect on them.

    That was there driving influence. It's mentioned in the Casino Royale documentaries I believe.

    What I don't understand is if they liked Bourne, and Babs was such a big fan of Dalton (didn't they go out for a while), and MGW had all those years of experience, why did they allow the Brosnan era to drift in the direction that it did?

    I guess they sort of toyed with a more 'serious' approach with TWINE, but it was total damp squib of a movie and Brosnan clearly struggled with anything beyond machine guns and pain face.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Getafix wrote:
    Murdock wrote:
    Getafix wrote:
    They knew after DAD they'd messed up big time and had to do something radical to avoid becoming a complete laughing stock.

    Bourne was also going on in the background, which I think must have had an effect on them.

    That was there driving influence. It's mentioned in the Casino Royale documentaries I believe.

    What I don't understand is if they liked Bourne, and Babs was such a big fan of Dalton (didn't they go out for a while), and MGW had all those years of experience, why did they allow the Brosnan era to drift in the direction that it did?

    I guess they sort of toyed with a more 'serious' approach with TWINE, but it was total damp squib of a movie and Brosnan clearly struggled with anything beyond machine guns and pain face.

    I disagree about TWINE but most of Die Another Day's failures were because of Tamahori. He was a firm believer in the code-name theory and I guess liked the wacky over the top elements.
  • edited March 2014 Posts: 11,425
    What a disaster he was. I thought it was interesting when he'd been chosen and knew his film about Maoris had been well received. But then he turned in a total piece of crud. Weird really. I guess he thought it was easy money and didn't really give a toss how the film turned out. Strange that he went from highly acclaimed serious drama to possibly the worst fantasy-action nonsense ever committed to film. Sort of Guy Hamilton magnified by 1000.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Getafix wrote:
    the worst fantasy-action nonsense ever committed to film.
    Never seen Catwoman, I take it?
    :))
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Getafix wrote:
    What a disaster he was. I thought it was interesting when he'd been chosen and knew his film about Maoris had been well received. But then he turned in a total piece of crud. Weird really. I guess he thought it was easy money and didn't really give a toss how the film turned out. Strange that he went from highly acclaimed serious drama to possibly the worst fantasy-action nonsense ever committed to film.

    That we may never know. Which is a shame too because Die Another Day did have some good ideas. Bond being captured and tortured for 14 months, getting shafted by MI6, Having an MI6 agent work with the villain even the Ice Palace was cool. But when you mix it up with Invisible cars, magic plastic surgery and a sassy NSA agent all goes to hell fast.
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    They ruin the good initial ideas. North Korean mad general was good, and then he transforms into an English gentleman via surgery. Bond captured by MI6 was good but then he escapes by meditation or something. But other things were bad from the beginning, like the VC training which end with an infamous insult to Moneypenny.
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    I hate it when people involved in the Bond movies fail to appreciate the level of graft and seriousness of intent that is required to make a great film. It's one of the things that always annoyed me about Brosnan - he just never seemed to give the part much thought. You got the sense he just turned up and did whatever took his fancy that day. May be he thought that was how Roger did it, but I think behind the self-deprecating exterior and personal charm, Roger really took the work quite seriously. You know when you hear him speak about the films that he did actually have an idea of what he was doing and how he wanted to play Bond.
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