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  • MayDayDiVicenzoMayDayDiVicenzo Here and there
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    Although SPECTRE is not quite in last place for me, still in the bottom five, I can certainly see why someone would place it dead last.

    Let's torture you with a dentist drill :-).

    Well, go ahead, it clearly doesn't do any short term or long term damage! ;)
  • Jazz007Jazz007 Minnesota
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    My updated list after seeing Spectre:

    1. Casino Royale
    2. Thunderball
    3. Dr. No
    4. The Spy Who Loved Me
    5. On Her Majesty's Secret Service
    6. Skyfall
    7. From Russia With Love
    8. Goldfinger
    9. Spectre
    10. The Living Daylights
    11. Licence To Kill
    12. For Your Eyes Only
    13. Moonraker
    14. Quantum Of Solace
    15. You Only Live Twice
    16. GoldenEye
    17. The Man With The Golden Gun
    18. Octopussy
    19. A View To A Kill
    20. Live And Let Die
    21. Diamonds Are Forever
    22. Die Another Day
    23. The World Is Not Enough
    24. Tomorrow Never Dies
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    Jazz007 wrote: »
    My updated list after seeing Spectre:

    1. Casino Royale
    2. Thunderball
    3. Dr. No
    4. The Spy Who Loved Me
    5. On Her Majesty's Secret Service
    6. Skyfall
    7. From Russia With Love
    8. Goldfinger
    9. Spectre
    10. The Living Daylights
    11. Licence To Kill
    12. For Your Eyes Only
    13. Moonraker
    14. Quantum Of Solace
    15. You Only Live Twice
    16. GoldenEye
    17. The Man With The Golden Gun
    18. Octopussy
    19. A View To A Kill
    20. Live And Let Die
    21. Diamonds Are Forever
    22. Die Another Day
    23. The World Is Not Enough
    24. Tomorrow Never Dies

    A very respectable list. At least you have the Brosnan films at about the right place. Octopussy so low though? I think it deserves a rewatch!
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    Although SPECTRE is not quite in last place for me, still in the bottom five, I can certainly see why someone would place it dead last.

    Let's torture you with a dentist drill :-).

    By the looks on it, another viewing of Spectre would be torturous enough. ;)
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    Quite a decent list Jazz007. SP in a nice spot. And Brossas films in right place, but ooh, there's that GE higher than it should. Careful now!
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    I see there are other non fans of Avatar! I much prefer its proper title 'Dances With Smurfs' Sums it up perfectly!
  • Jazz007Jazz007 Minnesota
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    Mathis1 wrote: »
    Quite a decent list Jazz007. SP in a nice spot. And Brossas films in right place, but ooh, there's that GE higher than it should. Careful now!

    Haha... Cheers to Sean Bean and Martin Campbell for making GE the best of the Brosnan era.
  • Jazz007Jazz007 Minnesota
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    Getafix wrote: »
    A very respectable list. At least you have the Brosnan films at about the right place. Octopussy so low though? I think it deserves a rewatch!

    Don't get me wrong, I enjoy Octopussy - it's fun and features one of Roger Moore's best individual Bond performances if you ask me. The deserved winner of 1983's Battle of the Bonds for sure.

    The camp is what brings it down lower for me in the rankings. The tarzan yell, the fighting amazon women, Berkoff, the Toys'R'Us Gatorboat.... Also, even though the scenes themselves were shot well and set in a dire atmosphere, it's hard to take a clown seriously.

    It's a fun movie - not one of the best for my tastes.
  • edited December 2015 Posts: 4,622
    Still not ready to merge the re-boot films with my regular rankings which are way back on this thread somewhere
    The re-boot films under the direction of the likes of Mendes and Forster still have a different vibe, as did NSNA, from the original 20-film run.
    CR I think is slam dunk the best of the films in terms of its craftsmanship.
    Campbell does Bond much better than Mendes, but Craig is so much better in SP than he was as origins Bond in CR, and having Blofeld and Spectre back in SP, is ultimate Bond fan dream, especially with cat, scar and Nehru jacket back too, that SP must shoot to #1, even if I am not entirely pleased with Mendes Bond filmmaking.

    Updated alternative Bond film rankings.

    1. SP
    2. NSNA
    3. CR
    4. SF
    5. QoS

    I may merge the rankings some day, but I can say at least, that Craig's capturing of the Bond persona in SP ranks Top 8, tucked in behind the 6 Connerys and Laz, and light years ahead of everything else.
    DN-DAF plus SP = A+ Bond.
    These 8 performances as Bond IMO equal rarefied air.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    timmer wrote: »
    I may merge the rankings some day, but I can say at least, that Craig's capturing of the Bond persona in SP ranks Top 8, tucked in behind the 6 Connerys and Laz, and light years ahead of everything else.
    DN-DAF plus SP = A+ Bond.
    These 8 performances as Bond IMO equal rarefied air.

    Sorry, can't agree with that. Craig's Bond gets the sociopath right but misses the snobbery. A great Bond has to capture both.
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    GoldenGun wrote: »
    timmer wrote: »
    I may merge the rankings some day, but I can say at least, that Craig's capturing of the Bond persona in SP ranks Top 8, tucked in behind the 6 Connerys and Laz, and light years ahead of everything else.
    DN-DAF plus SP = A+ Bond.
    These 8 performances as Bond IMO equal rarefied air.

    Sorry, can't agree with that. Craig's Bond gets the sociopath right but misses the snobbery. A great Bond has to capture both.

    People don't dig the snobbery these days. A shame as it's an amusing aspect of the character.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Getafix wrote: »
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    timmer wrote: »
    I may merge the rankings some day, but I can say at least, that Craig's capturing of the Bond persona in SP ranks Top 8, tucked in behind the 6 Connerys and Laz, and light years ahead of everything else.
    DN-DAF plus SP = A+ Bond.
    These 8 performances as Bond IMO equal rarefied air.

    Sorry, can't agree with that. Craig's Bond gets the sociopath right but misses the snobbery. A great Bond has to capture both.

    People don't dig the snobbery these days. A shame as it's an amusing aspect of the character.
    I miss the snobbery as well. It's not easy to pull off properly. Great when it comes together though. It has to be delivered with a velvet glove and then I think the public can absorb it.

    I think that It can also be shown via the reaction of the other party to such behaviour and as always I think Green/Vesper showcased it best in the train and in the early parts of the hotel when playing off of Craig.
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    bondjames wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    timmer wrote: »
    I may merge the rankings some day, but I can say at least, that Craig's capturing of the Bond persona in SP ranks Top 8, tucked in behind the 6 Connerys and Laz, and light years ahead of everything else.
    DN-DAF plus SP = A+ Bond.
    These 8 performances as Bond IMO equal rarefied air.

    Sorry, can't agree with that. Craig's Bond gets the sociopath right but misses the snobbery. A great Bond has to capture both.

    People don't dig the snobbery these days. A shame as it's an amusing aspect of the character.
    I miss the snobbery as well. It's not easy to pull off properly. Great when it comes together though. It has to be delivered with a velvet glove and then I think the public can absorb it.

    I think that It can also be shown via the reaction of the other party to such behaviour and as always I think Green/Vesper showcased it best in the train and in the early parts of the hotel when playing off of Craig.

    Yes very true. It has to be done in a way that we can enjoy it and laugh along with it.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    Getafix wrote: »
    People don't dig the snobbery these days. A shame as it's an amusing aspect of the character.

    I know, but it's an essential part of Bond's persona. Take the snobbery away and he is interchangeable with other more pedestrian action heroes.

    That's the problem with the series for the moment, they are too politically correct.
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    GoldenGun wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    People don't dig the snobbery these days. A shame as it's an amusing aspect of the character.

    I know, but it's an essential part of Bond's persona. Take the snobbery away and he is interchangeable with other more pedestrian action heroes.

    That's the problem with the series for the moment, they are too politically correct.

    I agree. You could argue it started with Dalton. The sense that Bond is a bit Everyman instead of this chippy upper class outsider. He should be Someone from the upper echelons but not quite part of the in crowd. Connery did that aspect perfectly IMO. Another reason he'll never be bettered.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Getafix wrote: »
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    People don't dig the snobbery these days. A shame as it's an amusing aspect of the character.

    I know, but it's an essential part of Bond's persona. Take the snobbery away and he is interchangeable with other more pedestrian action heroes.

    That's the problem with the series for the moment, they are too politically correct.

    I agree. You could argue it started with Dalton. The sense that Bond is a bit Everyman instead of this chippy upper class outsider. He should be Someone from the upper echelons but not quite part of the in crowd. Connery did that aspect perfectly IMO. Another reason he'll never be bettered.
    I think it started with Dalton....I noticed it then anyway. I wasn't too impressed with this change but I guess they didn't want him to seem too out of synch with mainstream behaviour.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    I don't agree it started with Dalton. Dalton showed a lot of style and class, he looked perfect in a tux and the snobbery was still an essential part of the character.

    Loved how, in TLD, he concluded that the brand on the list was rather 'questionable' and took the liberty of picking out something else.

    Superb Mr. Bond, Superb.

    Trying to be faithful to the novels, Dalton would never have tried to lose that side of Bond's persona.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    GoldenGun wrote: »
    I don't agree it started with Dalton. Dalton showed a lot of style and class, he looked perfect in a tux and the snobbery was still an essential part of the character.

    Loved how, in TLD, he concluded that the brand on the list was rather 'questionable' and took the liberty of picking out something else.

    Superb Mr. Bond, Superb.

    Trying to be faithful to the novels, Dalton would never have tried to lose that side of Bond's persona.
    Fair enough, I forgot the example you cited. However, the instances were few and far between compared to the Connery era in particular (the excellent exchanges with M come to mind in DAF & GF, not to mention his boasting about a double first from Cambridge to MP in YOLT and contemplating the correct temperature for Saki with Tanaka). So the shift was starting to take place around Dalton's time, along with them dropping some of the sexist behaviour or at least tempering it (Dalton wasn't shown sleeping around although it was implied in the TLD pretitles).....such changes weren't to my liking but perhaps reflected the times.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    In my opinion, Dalton succeeded in combining those aspects all together without exaggerating. Dalton's Bond took Kara to an opera in Vienna, that's much more refined than taking shots with scorpions on your hand I'd say. Also, Craig seems to be more like the bodybuilder type which gives him a bit of a working class vibe.

    I also recall these small pieces of dialogue:

    Sanchez to Bond in 1989: "I knew it. You've got class."

    Le Chiffre to Bond in 2006: "Wow, you take good care of your body."

    Anyway, I guess I'm trying to say that Dalton could do angry Bond without losing the classy swagger.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Yes @GoldenGun, I agree.

    Certainly there were moments of refinement during the Dalton era (more so in TLD than LTK though). However, there was a definite dial back compared to the earlier times.....it was more subtle rather than overt ('not exaggerating' it, as you note). I too think Dalton was able to convey the swagger subtly.

    Once in a while though I'd like the overt........Bond as smooth talking, refined but arrogant sod. We got a small flash in SP with the Bollinger gift for Q, but it was more an act rather than him talking. Another one I recall outside of CR was with Fields in Bolivia and the teachers on sabbatical. That was pure Bond right there.
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    When it comes to the humour, I can take it or leave it. I don't think its an important part of the character at all. Flemings Bond was rather humourless, and so Dalton reflected that! The cello sled scene, Dalton looked uncomfortable doing, but at least the film makers had the good sense to remove the 'flying carpet' sequence!
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    bondjames wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    timmer wrote: »
    I may merge the rankings some day, but I can say at least, that Craig's capturing of the Bond persona in SP ranks Top 8, tucked in behind the 6 Connerys and Laz, and light years ahead of everything else.
    DN-DAF plus SP = A+ Bond.
    These 8 performances as Bond IMO equal rarefied air.

    Sorry, can't agree with that. Craig's Bond gets the sociopath right but misses the snobbery. A great Bond has to capture both.

    People don't dig the snobbery these days. A shame as it's an amusing aspect of the character.
    I miss the snobbery as well. It's not easy to pull off properly. Great when it comes together though. It has to be delivered with a velvet glove and then I think the public can absorb it.

    I think that It can also be shown via the reaction of the other party to such behaviour and as always I think Green/Vesper showcased it best in the train and in the early parts of the hotel when playing off of Craig.

    Yes it worked well in CR. The snobbery is a great British part of the character.
  • Birdleson wrote: »
    I wasn't going to adjust for awhile, but GE.

    1. GOLDFINGER (1964)
    2. FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE (1963)
    3. ON HER MAJESTY'S SECRET SERVICE (1969)
    4. CASINO ROYALE (2006)
    5. THE SPY WHO LOVED ME (1977)
    6. DR. NO (1962)
    7. LIVE AND LET DIE (1973)
    8. THUNDERBALL (1965)
    9. SKYFALL (2012)
    10. YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE (1967)
    11. QUANTUM OF SOLACE (2008)
    12. GOLDENEYE (1996)
    13. LICENCE TO KILL (1989)
    14. FOR YOUR EYES ONLY (1981)
    15. THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN (1974)
    16. THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS (1987)
    17. THE WORLD IS NOT ENOUGH (1997)
    18. DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER (1971)
    19. A VIEW TO A KILL (1985)
    20. TOMORROW NEVER DIES (1997)
    21. OCTOPUSSY (1983)
    22. DIE ANOTHER DAY (2002)
    23. MOONRAKER (1979),
    24. SPECTRE (2015)



    The last thing I want is to start a row or a long lasting argument when no one will ever convince anybody, but rating Specter dead last in a Bond movie ranking list stands as the most pathetic, stupid and bizarre thing I ever read on the MI6 discussion board.

    You have to be dishonest or looking to provoke reactions, I can't see anything else.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    but rating Specter dead last in a Bond movie ranking list stands as the most ........... bizarre thing I ever read on the MI6 discussion board.

    You have to be dishonest or looking to provoke reactions, I can't see anything else.
    I think he reacted similarly to the way I did after being disappointed with Skyfall (I ranked it QUITE low for a while). Plus, if that's how he sees it that's kind of his prerogative, because OPINIONS. ;)
  • royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
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    I would agree. But it's @Birdleson, and he's not like that one bit. He's probably one of my fav contributors on this forum.
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    royale65 wrote: »
    I would agree. But it's @Birdleson, and he's not like that one bit. He's probably one of my fav contributors on this forum.

    Agreed. He can have his own opinion, and he's obviously not a troll user. Don't attack him for being different.
  • Jazz007Jazz007 Minnesota
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    bondjames wrote: »
    I miss the snobbery as well. It's not easy to pull off properly. Great when it comes together though. It has to be delivered with a velvet glove and then I think the public can absorb it.

    I think that It can also be shown via the reaction of the other party to such behaviour and as always I think Green/Vesper showcased it best in the train and in the early parts of the hotel when playing off of Craig.

    I guess everyone forgot when Bond said his digs weren't good enough and switched to a high class hotel in QOS....?
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Jazz007 wrote: »

    I guess everyone forgot when Bond said his digs weren't good enough and switched to a high class hotel in QOS....?
    That's my Bond.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited December 2015 Posts: 23,883
    Jazz007 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    I miss the snobbery as well. It's not easy to pull off properly. Great when it comes together though. It has to be delivered with a velvet glove and then I think the public can absorb it.

    I think that It can also be shown via the reaction of the other party to such behaviour and as always I think Green/Vesper showcased it best in the train and in the early parts of the hotel when playing off of Craig.

    I guess everyone forgot when Bond said his digs weren't good enough and switched to a high class hotel in QOS....?
    No, I mentioned that above. It does tend to get overlooked though.
    bondjames wrote: »
    Another one I recall outside of CR was with Fields in Bolivia and the teachers on sabbatical. That was pure Bond right there.
  • edited December 2015 Posts: 4,622
    I can see putting SP dead last. There's quite a lotto quibble over.
    It does have a rather heavy almost suffocating feel about it.
    That's why I don't merge my re-boot rankings, as I think I might just tag the lot on the bottom anyway so what's the point.
    I'd rather take an apples oranges approach, but I do give all 25 films equal standing when I do my full random draw Bondathons.
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