Violence

chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
edited September 2013 in General Discussion Posts: 17,801
As a kid I experienced bullying. Why someone would pick on me was beyond my comprehension, but I accepted it as a given annoyance back then. When I saw Bond in action in my tens, I admired him, but I believed I could not be like him. In my teens I saw Bruce lee, and I realised a small skinny guy could be fierce, so I took martial arts classes. Bullies became a goof to me, I laughed at them.
Which brings me to the nature of animals and Humanity in general.
Aggressiveness was necessary to survive a million years ago. In humans, now, it's only necessary to keep your lunch money or get though a war.

We kill millions of animals a year to make our food.
We make war on those we deem jerks.
We spank our kids when they misbehave.
We taze & beat our civilians when total compliance is seemingly absent.

Is this world nothing more than a jungle of potential violence at every turn?



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  • Unfortunately it tends to manifest itself in many peoples primal state. We live in a world that promotes them and us ideology. I myself was bullied also, was quite small when young, though always stood up for myself.

    My family without going into detail, generation before me saw quite upsetting violence, though i always try to be a better man because of that. I think all we can do is learn greater understanding and help those who need it, simply because we can and understand it.

    never started a fight in my life and never would i hate violence and it saddens me, have many friends who have fought in unnecessary wars and seen the effect it has had on them. maybe its a fault in myself though i feel because of the world we live in, i need to be able to protect those i love and myself. Its a bad inditement of modern society, though think its a reality.

    I am fortunate with the work i do, its very much about positive reenforcement and improving peoples lives. To be humble and understanding of people i think is very important. Only last week, someone for no reason tried to fight me, i just smiled did not react and just spoke to them. i understood they were not angry at me, though just wanted to lash out.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    The rabbit feels rage. The tiger, pity. The dragon, pain. All creatures, the low and the high, are one with nature. No life is insignificant. If we have the wisdom to learn, all may teach us their virtues. From the crane we learn grace and self control. The snake teaches us suppleness and rhythmic endurance. The praying mantis teaches us speed and patience. And from the tiger we learn tenacity and power. And from the dragon we learn to ride the wind. Life sustains life, and all living creatures need nourishment. Yet with wisdom, the body learns to sustain in ways that all may live.
  • chrisisall wrote:
    The rabbit feels rage. The tiger, pity. The dragon, pain. All creatures, the low and the high, are one with nature. No life is insignificant. If we have the wisdom to learn, all may teach us their virtues. From the crane we learn grace and self control. The snake teaches us suppleness and rhythmic endurance. The praying mantis teaches us speed and patience. And from the tiger we learn tenacity and power. And from the dragon we learn to ride the wind. Life sustains life, and all living creatures need nourishment. Yet with wisdom, the body learns to sustain in ways that all may live.

    Great words, i am very much the lion like my birth sign. Wisdom and understanding is very important to me. I realise sometimes people need someone to listen to them. Whether its a curse or a blessing, more a blessing, though i have a innate understanding of people. Should be in my quote thread lol Though said this for many years, if you can help some one you should always help them. We all have gifts and abilities and not to use them is a waste. Though we are only human, and sometimes we need to help ourselves first. You are a wise man Chris.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    You are a wise man Chris.
    Oh, I can take no credit for these words, they come from Master Khan in the Kung Fu TV series.
    And here are the ones I live by;

    Perceive the way of nature and no force of man can harm you. Do not meet a wave head on: avoid it. You do not have to stop force: it is easier to redirect it. Learn more ways to preserve rather than destroy. Avoid rather than check. Check rather than hurt. Hurt rather than maim. Maim rather than kill. For all life is precious nor can any be replaced.
  • edited September 2013 Posts: 6,432
    chrisisall wrote:
    You are a wise man Chris.
    Oh, I can take no credit for these words, they come from Master Khan in the Kung Fu TV series.
    And here are the ones I live by;

    Perceive the way of nature and no force of man can harm you. Do not meet a wave head on: avoid it. You do not have to stop force: it is easier to redirect it. Learn more ways to preserve rather than destroy. Avoid rather than check. Check rather than hurt. Hurt rather than maim. Maim rather than kill. For all life is precious nor can any be replaced.


    “Be like water making its way
    through cracks. Do not be assertive,
    but adjust to the object, and you
    shall find a way around or through
    it. If nothing within you stays rigid,
    outward things will disclose
    themselves.
    Empty your mind, be formless.
    Shapeless, like water. If you put
    water into a cup, it becomes the
    cup. You put water into a bottle and
    it becomes the bottle. You put it in
    a teapot, it becomes the teapot.
    Now, water can flow or it can crash.
    Be water, my friend.”
    ― Bruce Lee
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Be water, my friend.

    Lee's great words from the Longstreet TV show.
  • chrisisall wrote:
    Be water, my friend.

    Lee's great words from the Longstreet TV show.

    Never saw the show though read that quote many years ago, Bruce was quite an amazing human being.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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  • Brilliant is that not green hornet?
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Green Hornet? Well. Lee played Kato if that's what you mean.
  • chrisisall wrote:
    Green Hornet? Well. Lee played Kato if that's what you mean.
    My apologies just recognized the other actor, if i remember he was in Beneath the planet of the apes. Looks similar to the green hornet, well both have blonde hair :-) Will try and get hold of the series.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Better to get the Kung Fu series, it's way more philosophical.
  • Watched it when i was very young, quite a few shows from that era would be interesting to revisit. Been very serious of late, often when that happens it necessary. Deep down very serious person, looking to get my sense of humour back. Going back to your original post i think if people have balance in life, there is no need for violence. When people feel content in themselves there is no reason to attack others. :-)
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    looking to get my sense of humour back.
    Then watch CHUCK. Great show.

  • Ha ha watched the first four seasons, not seen the last yet. Love that show. Read it was cut short season five.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    The last season was good, but four with Dalton was the best IMO. I loved the twist there.
  • chrisisall wrote:
    The last season was good, but four with Dalton was the best IMO. I loved the twist there.

    Watched season four a few times got box sets for that season, Dalton played a pretty convincing psychotic. The episode when they had dinner at Chucks was brilliant.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Dalton rules.
    Bedtime for me now. Later my friend.
  • Agreed, Dalton is a god. Ok mate take it easy.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Interesting thread, @chrisisall, which I've somehow missed until now. I've been trying to explore the theme of the increase in violence in popular culture since the mid-1960s in blog writing I've been working on of late. I'd love to hear some views on this particular area of violence - which films/books/comics/TV shows/computer games etc. would you say most represented shifts in how violence was perceived in popular culture from say 1964 onwards. You can include references to real-world violence from then until the modern day if you feel it is relevent. I hope to restart this interesting discussion here...
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Pop culture violence saw its great increase during the televised Vietnam War IMO. Suddenly, a punch in the face knockout or a bloodless instant death from a shooting didn't fly any more. The world saw a naked & burned little girl running, a monk burning himself alive as a protest, and endless shots of soldiers in crazy pain. Movies had to 'get real'.
    Seventies pop culture stretched it further and put it in our faces like never before (The Kung Fu TV series seemed like pacifist play-time by comparison). The Eighties exploded the boundaries further, whilst removing the Seventies 'disgust level' to keep it entertaining. 9-11 forced upon pop culture a strange 70's/80's retrograde...

    Violence is a part of the Human existence. And like any other part, there is exploitation, fun, perversion, instruction, abuse, righteous depiction, and drama to be had from it.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    chrisisall wrote:
    Pop culture violence saw its great increase during the televised Vietnam War IMO. Suddenly, a punch in the face knockout or a bloodless instant death from a shooting didn't fly any more. The world saw a naked & burned little girl running, a monk burning himself alive as a protest, and endless shots of soldiers in crazy pain. Movies had to 'get real'.
    Seventies pop culture stretched it further and put it in our faces like never before (The Kung Fu TV series seemed like pacifist play-time by comparison). The Eighties exploded the boundaries further, whilst removing the Seventies 'disgust level' to keep it entertaining. 9-11 forced upon pop culture a strange 70's/80's retrograde...

    Violence is a part of the Human existence. And like any other part, there is exploitation, fun, perversion, instruction, abuse, righteous depiction, and drama to be had from it.

    Thank you for your great contribution to the debate, @chrisisall. Much appreciated. Much food for thought there.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    I think shows like 24 really revolutionised and pioneered the standard commercial violence we have today and I'm thankful for that as, tv shows and movies where violence is a prerequisite should be accurately portrayed to a basic degree of believability.
    Regarding the violence in Bond movies, they've always been somewhat inconsistent. People talk about how Bourne influenced the violence and fighting for Bond now and maybe that's true to a degree but if one watches OHMSS, that's probably Bond at his most violent prior to CR.

    The beach fight, which includes a strangulation/semi drowning scene
    Bond vs Draco's goon in the hotel
    Bond choking Blofeld's goon with a ski-skate and then there's everything else in between and after.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    @doubleoego good point.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    doubleoego wrote:
    I think shows like 24 really revolutionised and pioneered the standard commercial violence we have today and I'm thankful for that as, tv shows and movies where violence is a prerequisite should be accurately portrayed to a basic degree of believability.
    Regarding the violence in Bond movies, they've always been somewhat inconsistent. People talk about how Bourne influenced the violence and fighting for Bond now and maybe that's true to a degree but if one watches OHMSS, that's probably Bond at his most violent prior to CR.

    The beach fight, which includes a strangulation/semi drowning scene
    Bond vs Draco's goon in the hotel
    Bond choking Blofeld's goon with a ski-skate and then there's everything else in between and after.

    Exactly the sort of thing I wanted from this thread, @doubleoego. And yes, James Bond was not born yesterday, despite what some commentators seem to think.
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