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I am not even certain of it. The main Bond girl would have been better cast, that's about it. But the character would have been written differently to fit the tone of DAD, so who knows how changed she would have been. Maybe even the fact that Wai Lin was better would have stressed how much the rest was horrible.
But why waste good icing on a bad cake? And at best, Wai Lin would have been one good, okay cherry among a very badly baked, very badly made Black Forest gâteau.
See: Solitaire.
LALD is not my favourite, but it had way more good things about it than DAD and it was not only Solitaire which redeemed it.
My POINT was that her presence in it sweetens it. Redemption isn't possible due to one factor alone.
The scene on the boat with M? The Cuba stuff before Jinx starts talking? The fencing? The Clash? The car chase?
DAD is shit overall but it does have good bits imo.
Umm...nope, I'm going to just stick with Jinx wobbling in a bikini, thanks all the same! ;)
But if you swap Jinx for Solitaire in their respective films its still not enough to pull LALD below DAD. Jinx is the iceberg upon which HMS DAD founders but it still takes factors such as the captain going full steam ahead into an ice field, no binoculars in the crows nest, not enough lifeboats and the Carpathia taking hours to reach the survivors to create a catastrophe with all hands lost to Davy Jones locker.
Nearly all great disasters are built from a cumulative effect of human errors and pieces of ill luck on the day. The likes of the slide whistle over the car jump, the double take pigeon or the Tarzan yell are, at worst, like losing an engine; but you can happily continue flying on three. DAD loses all four - and the flaps, tail and landing gear. They even run out of those little packets of nuts.
Jinx for Wai Lin might buy you a few more minutes flying time but you're still ploughing out of control into the ground at some point.
The scene on the boat and the pre Jinx Cuba stuff is what? 10 mins out of a 130 min film? That's a grand total of 7.7% of the screen time.
I don't agree that the fencing or the car chase are that good (too choreographed and silly in places) and if you're reduced to listing a 10 second burst of the Clash as a highlight you're not so much clutching at straws as hoarding bales of hay in a Swiss vault.
I am TheWizarsofIce in that, the fencing and the car chase are not very good. Actually, I find them horrible. They are ridiculous, laughbly silly and overlong.
For the most part I like the first bit of DAD. It has crap bits (the theme song and the CGI bullet), but I think it's enjoyable enough until Jinx speaks.
London Calling playing is one of my favourite musical moments of the franchise. Yeah it's too short to be thought of as a highlight and it doesn't come close to redeeming the film but I like The Clash and I like James Bond so I enjoyed having the two together.
Wish they'd used it in a better film though.
If you find the fencing too ridiculous and silly then you must find the majority of the Bond films horrible.
That's a slippery slope argument AND a straw man argument. The fight was too long and quickly turned into a demolition derby. Silly, even for a silly Bond. There is nothing silly in the golf game in GF, in the hand to hand combat in FRWL, heck, I'll take pretty much all mano a mano fights of the series over the fencing, including the one against NicNac.
The fencing is silly but Bond chasing a midget around the sofa before ultimately stuffing him in a suitcase is better?
If you honestly think this then there's no point discussing this anymore. We'll just agree to disagree.
Then Frost has her line, and I'm practically in tears laughing every time.
Same here. I think that the film goes fairly well up to after the fencing and then it starts going off the rails as is definitely after the film goes to Iceland. That's not to say the first hour or so is perfect (CGI bullet in the gunbarrel, some of the dialouge but especially Jinx's) but it's definitely better than what follows!
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Oh don't get me wrong, I dislike this part of TMWTGG. But I don't expect more from an aggressive dwarf in a movie marred with problems. I would, however, expect far more from a fencing champion fighting a 00 agent than the overblown, overlong comedic sword fight we had in DAD. At least in TMWTGG the combat was shorter.
There was no tension in it, it ended up with Graves running away from Bond and the both of them breaking stuff. I guess at least he didn't have his RoboCop suit.
Dead or alive, you're fencing with me.
:))
Though as I've made abundantly clear I really dislike this film, I'm willing to concede that a few changes would significantly improve it. I would suggest that the removal of the poor CGI would have a far greater effect of enhancing DAD than the removal of Jinx, after all she's not actually in that much of it really, she's not really any worse than some previous Bond girls and she's much easier on the eye than the dreadful CGI.
If you got rid of the rubbish icebergs, rubbish ice palaces, rubbish invisible car, rubbish holodeck, rubbish Graves electricity thing, rubbish lasers, rubbish Icarus etc... at least the film would be bearable even with Jinx and all her sassiness.
I've amended it for you @saunders ;-)
Most decent of you @WillyGalore :)
By the time RoboGraves showed up, many were understandably tired.
The Hulk's TV show creator explained it like this to Stan Lee: there is one thing the audience will let you go away with. In this case, that a man can turn into a green monster. That is why they didn't have robots and monsters at every episode. In DAD, which is set in "our" universe, i.e. a semi-realistic contemporary one, not only you have gene therapy, but you have an invisible car, a RoboCop suit, Bond willing himself into cardiac arrest, the RoboCop suit, etc. I think they would have got away with the lazer satellite, even though it was recycled from DAF. That's about it. The movie would have still had problems, but ditch all the scifi, and you have something better, at least somewhat plausible. Ditch the scifi elements, you are also less tempted to have so many CGIs to make them, you are less tempted to disregard physics, you sober things up a bit. To get back to the OP, Jinx was a symptom of all this, not a cause.