Last Bond Movie You Watched

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  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited May 2016 Posts: 8,454
    Can't say I ever got that impression from it. It's certainly lighter in tone to
    Dr No and FRWL, but not camp, not in my opinion anyway. :)

    It was a few moments in the score (when they arrive at the ranch, for instance), the women with the pointy boobs, the gangsters, the ticking bomb, Bond meeting the president...

    Also a few lines of dialogue that don't sit right with me:

    "We must have a few fast falls together sometime."

    "He kills little girls like you"

    "Little boys too"

    "Three more ticks and Mr Goldfinger would've hit the jackpot."

    These lines just feel kinda cheesy to me. A bit TOO cheesy.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    Perhaps, by today's standards, they may indeed seem cheesy, but I'd guess it was
    Standard dialogue for the 60s ? Same goes for the pointy boobs, they were the In
    Thing then. ;)
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Perhaps, by today's standards, they may indeed seem cheesy, but I'd guess it was
    Standard dialogue for the 60s ? Same goes for the pointy boobs, they were the In
    Thing then. ;)

    Yeah, guess so. FRWL and DN have both aged better IMO, despite being slightly less watchable. ;)
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    I kind of agree GF was the start of the Film Bond taking over from the literary Bond,
    If that makes sense. IMHO FRWL is the superior movie. :)
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    I kind of agree GF was the start of the Film Bond taking over from the literary Bond,
    If that makes sense. IMHO FRWL is the superior movie. :)

    Its definitely the first "visual" Bond film. Oddjobs hat, the golden girl, the laser scene, the golf, Fort Knox etc. So much is shown rather than said. The first two are a bit more wordy. Still, different strokes for different folks. Dr No is my favourite. :)
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    Dr No is one of those Bond films, I tend to almost forget. Then I watch it again
    and think " This is bloody brilliant" I can fully understand why it was such a big
    Hit back in 1962. Must have been like when I first saw the Matrix, made many
    Other films look slow.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Dr No is one of those Bond films, I tend to almost forget. Then I watch it again
    and think " This is bloody brilliant" I can fully understand why it was such a big
    Hit back in 1962. Must have been like when I first saw the Matrix, made many
    Other films look slow.

    Yes Bond and Miss Taro was the first time that a couple had been seen in Bed together on film.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    Dr No is one of those Bond films, I tend to almost forget. Then I watch it again
    and think " This is bloody brilliant" I can fully understand why it was such a big
    Hit back in 1962. Must have been like when I first saw the Matrix, made many
    Other films look slow.

    Yes Bond and Miss Taro was the first time that a couple had been seen in Bed together on film.

    Not true at all.

    Hmm. Maybe I'm mistaken, although I definitely have heard that more than once.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    Could it be something like first time in a mainstream Hollywood movie ?
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    You may be correct in terms of American and British, but the French and Italians had been doing so since the '30s. American television famously broke that taboo in the '50s with I LOVE LUCY.

    I think the Germans did it back in the 20s. They were very liberal before the nazis came along.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Maybe the first time in British cinema.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
    edited May 2016 Posts: 13,384
    I only learned tonight that the first time the female orgasm was shown was in a German
    Film in 1933. The actress being Hedy Lamarr, who also invented a "frequency skip" signal
    To radio control a torpedo. The US army didn't proceed with it, but the idea is now the
    Basis of broadband and Bluetooth. ;) " Not a lot of people know that"
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    I only learned tonight that the first time the female orgasm was shown was in a German
    Film in 1933. The actress being Hedy Lamarr, who also invented a "frequency skip" signal
    To radio control a torpedo. The US army didn't proceed with it, but the idea is now the
    Basis of broadband and Bluetooth. ;) " Not a lot of people know that"
    I only recently found that out! What a woman!
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited May 2016 Posts: 23,883
    SPECTRE (2015)

    I decided to have another go at it, to see if anything has improved for me since the last watch. In a nutshell, the answer is no.

    A few random points:
    1. they had a great opportunity to use the 'Glen falling man scream' twice in the pretitles and imho, should have. Once when Sciarra was kicked out of the helicopter, and then again when the pilot was thrown out. Given they used the 'Glen animal scare' later at White's, I think they should have. Pity
    2. I'm not sure why Bond decided, during the heat of battle, to pull Sciarra's ring off his finger. It just seemed strange. In addition, the fact that Q then determines everything off this one metal object while sitting at his laptop in Austria just seems too convenient. It's almost more important to the plot than Gollum's legendary ring, if you think about it.
    3. I actually don't mind Newman's score in places and will go so far as to say I find it excellent in certain spots. Suspenseful and different. However, it's in the 'action scoring' sections where it gets very repetitive, and quite frankly, annoying for me.
    4. That 'piss yellow colouring' is one of the worst aspects of the film for me. I see it 'everywhere!' (imagine me shouting this like Mr. White for emphasis) and it annoys the hell out of me. How distracting. I don't know what Hoyte was thinking.
    5. Unfortunately, on the blu ray, I cannot 'one button' fast forward Smith's ballad. I tried, and it takes me to the scene where Bond is walking away from M's office with MP following him. How sad! So I had to manually fast forward it while watching the credits and then stop as soon as it finished, which is a slightly more convoluted process.
    6. The decision to play that Vivaldi piece at Lucia's when the assassins are about to kill her is an excellent one. Chilling and fitting for the scene.
    7. I noticed on this watch that what could have been beautiful, scenic locations were made to look like 'sh!+' (imho). I don't know what Hoyte was thinking here. The clinic in Austria, Mexico city (apart from the actual tracking scene with all the people), Tangier - all drab and dull. I have physically been to locations like the one where Bond is piloting the plane, and they are absolutely gorgeous in real life. I got none of that feeling when watching it here. It was almost like they went out of their way to make it look like lackluster CGI everywhere (even if it might not have been). The one exception was Bond on the boat in Lake Altausee (which coincidentally was used a lot in the trailers). Moreover, they don't really dwell in the locations enough. The aforementioned Lake Altausee should have been used more, because it is just stunning.
    8. I only realized this time out how stupid Bond's plan with the plane was. There were so many instances where he could have killed Madeline (who he was ostensibly trying to rescue) with the risky techniques he was using. They really should have gone for a different set piece because this one did nothing for me.
    9. I noticed two scenes in particular in SP that are almost complete repeats of what took place in SF. However, while they were iconic scenes in the former film and very memorable, they seemed almost throwaway in SP. I'm referring firstly to the insipid lecture that M gives C about 'not to kill' etc at the new HQ, which is very reminiscent of the much superior M/Minister dialogue in SF. I'm referring secondly to the 'psyche evaluation' between Madeline and Bond at the clinic, which is a tamer (and less interesting) version of the same thing from MI6 HQ in SF. Truly baffling why they did this.
    10. The part where Bond loses it on Blofeld when he's playing the tape of Mr. White shooting himself came out of nowhere and doesn't sit right with me. Something about his reaction and behaviour just seemed forced and overly agitated - like they were trying to shoehorn some 'feelings'.
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    That scene is the point where I continue to 'tune out' of this film. I just can't get through the rest of it. The torture scene, London, the epilogue....etc. There has never been a Bond film before that I cannot sit through to the finish (yes, I can even complete TWINE), but SP has done that to me three times at home now.

    The parts up to Madeline's intro are the best for me. From there, it just all goes downhill rapidly. It's not really Seydoux' fault imho. She doesn't deliver her lines all that well, & I don't think she's a great character as written for Bond to give it all up for her, but that's not it. The script just collapses on itself after her intro. Moreover, I just find all the performances (including Craig's) terribly unengaged. The more I watch SP, the more I find it a strictly 'paint by numbers' affair.

    Pity, because I tried to like it, but it seems to get worse with each try.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited May 2016 Posts: 15,723
    @bondjames, SP plummeted down my ranking too. I really liked it at the cinema, and the first few times on Blu Ray, but now the 'new' factor is gone and rewatchability is poor. As you say, once the reach Tangiers, the movie just skydives. Right at this scene the movie just stops, the pace just decides to go away, and it's a real chore to reach the end. @bondjames I don't know if you remember the good old days of the Sir Rog era, when Bond arrived on location to start his mission within 5 minutes after the Opening Credits? I just don't know what's gotten into Mendes but I feel like in both SF and SP it takes way too long for the mission to get going. Bond is sitting through endless Tanner, Q, MP, Dench, Mallory briefing before he actually starts doing his job on location.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    I agree with you as usual @DaltonCraig007. Now that Mendes is gone, I'm hopeful we're going to get a full shakeup, and a return to straight missions, as you and others have advocated. This detour has been nice while it lasted, but it's 'played out' imho.

    Interestingly, during my second theatre watch, it was at Tangiers that folks started texting in two rows below me. They continued doing that all the way to the end, apart from a brief respite during the Hinx fight.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited May 2016 Posts: 15,723
    @bondjames and that's the tragedy, because SP starts pretty good, the Rome section is nice, Mr White sequence is brilliant. The Crows Clinic is passable, plane chase is ok but nothing too fancy. But once I reach the end of that chase, my face does the expressions as Cruise at the start of MI:RN when he understands his mission briefing is rigged: it's there that I realize there is still 1 hour of runtime to go, and the only thing of interest I have left in the film is the Hinx fight. It's like I have no reason to keep watching. It's the only Bond film where this happens to me.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    I'm glad we agree @DaltonCraig007. The first half of the film is indeed excellent, but then it drops faster than a stone in water (somewhere in the Austria to Tangier segment), with a few decent bits after, like Hinx & the Rolls ride to Blofeld HQ perhaps.

    I'm beginning to think @Birdleson may have been right all along with his assessments.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »

    I'm beginning to think @Birdleson may have been right all along with his assessments.
    Always a wise stance to take on any issue.
    Haha. In all seriousness, I respect how you called it, despite several early watches to try and reassess. You've probably seen it more than double the number of times I have, which is commendable, given you didn't think too highly of it to begin with.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    If I have to suffer through SF in its entirety every single time I re-watch it during a Bondathon, then you should have to endure Smith's theme song in SP, @bondjames.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    @Creasy47, I think you're expecting too much from me. I have to draw the line somewhere, and this, as well as Sheena Easton's similarly horrendous (imho) effort for FYEO are definitely the limitations of what I can take_______________________

    AWTD & DAD now seem almost tolerable, although deep down I know they are just a garbled mess.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    I agree on Sheena Easton (in fact, all music in that film is a travesty). That's all I will say here.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited May 2016 Posts: 8,454
    Maybe its just me, but I lgove the FYEO score. One of the best things about the film, which I don't enjoy as a whole. I don't think there is a Bond score I don't like, although Barry's efforts always stand out on another level.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    I too like the score to FYEO, there are some fantastic tracks in it.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited May 2016 Posts: 23,883
    The score definitely has its moments, and incorporates Sheena's track very nicely. If they had dropped the disco it would have been an excellent score. Still, Barry could have really lifted that film imho.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    bondjames wrote: »
    The score definitely has its moments, and incorporates Sheena's track very nicely. If they had dropped the disco it would have been an excellent score. Still, Barry could have really lifted that film imho.

    The TSWLM and FYEO scores are wonderfully of their era, unapoletically so. I suppose I just revel in the time warp.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    bondjames wrote: »
    The score definitely has its moments, and incorporates Sheena's track very nicely. If they had dropped the disco it would have been an excellent score. Still, Barry could have really lifted that film imho.

    This: it has its moments, and I do enjoy the title song, but Barry most certainly would've made things better if he had worked on it.
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    I love the score for FYEO, probably in my top 5.
    And the song is my co-favourite along side Nobody Does it Better.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    The song was insanely popular at the time.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    The TVs not up to much tonight so, I'm setting down with TSWLM. :)
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