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I'm always curious to hear reasons why a film like TMWTGG is considered a masterpiece. It's obviously not a favorite around here (along with DAF sadly). But I hear some big enthusiasm from you on it, so it peaks my curiosity. For me personally, Golden Gun was was one of my favorites for a while when I first got into Bond. I liked the sheer fantasy of it. But it felt a bit low-key to me compared to other bigger and more extravagant Bond films like TB and TSWLM. It lacked the grand scale of others, maybe it was the rogue villain or the lack of a serious world domination plot.
I'd be curious to hear what it is about that film that really clicks for you.
Welcome back @007RogerMoore
I see you haven't changed a bit ;)
Well, you have. You´re even lovelier.
Grazie del Italiano. :)
I should make a trailer like this:
"When the world is the target...
And the threat is real...
You can still depend on one man...
The name is Moore, 007RogerMoore.
Everyone's favorite MI6 member is back"!
First, I don't understand why Drax would want to kill Bond so early. That bugged me the entire film. There is no good reason to suspect that Drax is responsible for the highjacking--it's just a hunch. However, if Bond fails to check in, MI6 is going to investigate. Unless, Drax was just biding his time and figured his plan would be completed before MI6 was able to do anthing.
I HATED Jaws with a passion. Really, the man should have died falling out the airplane. The henchman who will not die is not amusing--it's annoying. Plus, at first, there is no concrete reason for him to go after Bond. We don't see him working for Drax until later. It's as if he's just mad and Bond.
I don't see how Drax could have built an entire space station with no one knowing. I get the radar jamming device, but wouldn't people see shuttles going back and forth?
Finally, when Bond finds Drax's last lair awfully fast. I don't get how he knew where to look. Plus, even though I know now that stuntmen performed it, I still find it unlikely that Bond could have survived jumping out of an airplane like that at the beginning.
Also, we have military who can go into outere space? Who are those guys? Plus, they say there were two survivors. What about all the people Drax brought? Hopefully, they were saved too.
All that complaining aside, I didn't hate the film. It was enjoyable except for the items I mentioned. Oh, and I loved Holly Goodhead. She was a very intelligent Bond girl.
"I never left." ;)
Still towards the bottom of my list but I found myself...enjoying a good number of parts...????????
W-W-What is happening to me????
I very nearly did put in From Russia With Love, then I thought maybe Daylights, then On Her Majestys Secret Service and even Die Another Day actually, but in the end Mr Seagal had a viewing.. (I quite enjoyed it)
So, if you thought about it, but never watched a Bond film, and then just talked about what you watched instead, why post in this thread?
Well, Bond films got a mention if nothing else, and I know them back to front and inside out anyway, I merely had the intention of a viewing and finally decided against it, no harm done
It's funny, after having not watched FYEO in so long, overall I enjoyed it this time. It's tone is uneven (does it want to be another TSWLM/MR or does it want to be something different for the 1980's), but I think that there might be a spy thriller trying to claw it's way out through all the Moore-isms.
Carole Bouquet has to be one of the prettiest Bond Girls we've seen. I don't recall where I put her in my last Bond Girl list, but if I did one now, she would have a top 5 place for sure. Very pretty, lovely smile too, sadly (for obvious reasons) we don't get to see her smile all that much.
A question for the Moore fans who may know more, did Rog ad-lib the drive in the country line? I ask that becuase Bouquet's laugh sounds so genuine, and with Rog's reaction to her laugh, I thought it might have been unscripted.
2012 Bond Ranking
1. You Only Live Twice
2. From Russia With Love
3. Dr No
4. On Her Majesty's Secret Service
5. For Your Eyes Only
6. Thunderball
7. The Spy Who Loved Me
8. Live And Let Die
9. Goldfinger
10. Diamonds Are Forever
11. The Man With The Golden Gun
12. Moonraker
Next Up: Octopussy
Still one of my absolute favorites, and I enjoyed it even more than I use to \m/
It's only been 16 years since YOLT was top of my Bond list. ;)
Good to hear (about TLD).
I hated the opening with a passion. You don't use a grewat villian like Bloefield as a throwaway character. It's just wrong.
As for Bond, I don't have an issue with Roger Moore's age in this. However, having Bibi be attracted to him is ludicrous. I just can't see it unless Bibi has a thiing for much older men. I am very grateful that Bond didn't take her to bed though because that would have been icky. It just would have looked so wrong.
Also, Bond has to be the luckiest man alive. He survives being trapped in a helicopter, a high speed car chase (in a subpar car), being tied up and dropped into the ocean and falling off a mountain. Really, the man ought to be dead.
On the plus side, it was cool how it seemed as if Kristos was an ally and Columbo was the villian until we learned otherwise. Also, Melina continues the trend of very capable Bond girls.
The post credits sequence with 009 is genuinely creepy (something i've always felt) and I preferred Adams here to TMWTGG, but I just didn't enjoy this as much as I did FYEO. I could have done without the Tarzan yell, "SIT" and all the silly nonsense at the Circus.
2012 Bond Ranking
1. You Only Live Twice
2. From Russia With Love
3. Dr No
4. On Her Majesty's Secret Service
5. For Your Eyes Only
6. Thunderball
7. The Spy Who Loved Me
8. Live And Let Die
9. Octopussy
10. Goldfinger
11. Diamonds Are Forever
12. The Man With The Golden Gun
13. Moonraker
Next Up: A View To A Kill X_X
I was even thinking just then that I feel I may never really need to see A View to a Kill ever again, maybe when the 30th anniversary comes around in a year or two, it may be fitting for another watch, but I just end up hurling objects at the screen more often than not, it's maybe not as absurd as Moonraker, but at least that one keeps the interest and there's lots to get involved in, AVTAK is just one long struggle (to stay awake)
Actually, I've decided now to put on a copy of For Your Eyes Only, I just went with the idea, I will be watching from this point onwards, worse ones to see for sure
As for AVTAK, I might have to double-bill it with TLD.
This was Moore's last decent and successful Bond release, we can say it a thousand times he should of stepped down in 1981 but it's true in hindsight. Julian Glover makes for a real dull bad guy, Carole Bouquet is a decent bond girl, Johnson is cute, and the Locque actor (Michael Gothard I think), doesn't say much, but a commanding screen presence, the scene when Bond kicks him over the cliff is one of the series more memorable moments. The end bit climb up the monastery cliff face seems to go on forever and even when they reach the top it's a bit of a dull ending. I think all said, this release justifies a 7.5/10
Now, who's going to buy me a delicatessen in stainless steel
The more and more I think about it, the moore I come to appreciate FYEO. It has a much more classic murder-espionage plot, that conjures up those kinds of novels of the 50's. I really like the plot involving the Melina's parent's murder and her vengeance. Kriegler is also often overlooked. He is very menacing in a mysterioud kind of way. Sure the blond henchman thing has been done several times in the series, but there is something extra dangerous about him. Brink is also a very creepy character, as is Locque. Sheena Easton's title song becomes more of a guilty pleasure with time. But I agree with you, Julian Glover is just ok. But there is a great twist with him being the villain. It's been a while since I've seen a Bond film, but this is the one I crave to see the most again.
The one thing I don't like about the film is the look and fashion, especially Bond. I do like his classic Bond black dinner suit with bowtie. But the other scenes, something looks "off". I don't know what it is, as if Moore is making the akward transition into old age for the first time, and that grey sweater and blue vest looks gaudy to me. Plus Conti's score, while great in places, also is a bit dated in other places.
I'd just got back from watching Prometheus, and I was going to watch the Jubilee but to be honest I'd rather watch a Bond film (even one that was my least favourite) than that crap.
Anyway last time I "watched" it I was drunk so I felt like I sort of needed to rewatch it anyway to justify me ranking it so low. To start, here's a list of things I enjoyed.
MUSIC Not the crap main title song (although it is catchy). I meant the soundtrack, Arnold does a great job with the score for this one, makes me sad that he's not there for SF.
BOND Craig does his best with what he's got. He's not my favourite Bond, but he's a good actor who plays the rookie Bond well, he's great in the fight scenes and he's good at the humour he's given. I still prefer him alot more in CR though, especially on the humour side.
GIRL I like Gemma Arterton. She was hotter in St Trinians though. You might notice I said GIRL, not GIRLS. That's because I don't like Camille. She annoys me.
I also enjoyed certain scenes. The opera scene is a great one, the scene when Bond leaves Greene in the desert is funny and brutal, the bit with the switching hotels was funny and it's something that Bond would do.
Now, for what I didn't enjoy.
M They should've gotten a new actress. I like Dench, she's a good actress, but she's more suited to Brosnan than Craig. The whole mother relationship is stupid, the trust issues are boring, and she's in the film too much.
WHERE ARE Q AND MP This isn't just Quantums fault, they should've been introduced in CR. There's literally no reason why Q and MP couldn't be in this. Even if they were barely featured. That bit where the tech guy in glasses shows info about Mitchell on the screen, that screamed Q, that should've been Q.
ACTION I'm a big fan of lots of action, but the action in QOS is boring. There's lots of it and it's also pretty similar. CR's action was much better. Plus the shaky cam/quick editing was just awful, no idea what's going on. At least in Bourne it's used well. I did like soem of the car chase though, the part where he kills the last car with the machine gun was really cool.
VILLIAN/HENCHMAN White is ok I suppose. Greene is crap, end of. Elvis is crap too. The worst villian/hencman of the series imo.
Overall, I did enjoy this more than last time. I might even have to move it up a few places on my list, but I'll need to rewatch others that I rank low. It's a real let down compared to CR, but to be fair there was the writers strike. It seems rushed (which it was).
4 or 5/10
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Always entertaining, but I fall asleep in India. Poor villain dinner discussion, even though the eyeball is memorable. It's just slow and dull imo. But then the finale makes up for it. :)
any changes in your ranking of DN/FRWL/GF/TB ?
Not much complaints by me on TMWTGG.... apart from the irritating Goodnight, the slide-whistle somewhat ruining the car stunt, the film looks cheap in places..... but it's still a very good Bond film ! my current favorite Bond film !