Crazy looks like this: My Government

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  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Moved as this is not Bond news.
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  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    chrisisall wrote:

    Amazing, isn't it? The lack of bipartisanship in our government has sickened me for years, and teamwork is what we have desperately needed for a innumerable amount of time now. It's funny: for a government that likes to call itself a democracy, we get Republicans sneaking in a new change to a rule that puts all the power in the hands of one man instead of any woman or man of any political allegiance, as lawfully intended. Add to that the fact that both sides act like children, and we've got a serious problem on our hands where the stakes are too high to risk being as childish as our politicians have been.

    The Republicans have been sore losers ever since Obama reclaimed the oval office for the Democrats, and because they won't agree to anything unless they get their way, no real progress can be made. In the Democrats, you still have those kinds of personalities that want their way, but Obama and those in the liberal party would never place ultimate power in one man's hands or risk sinking the government as we know it because they can't get their way. They are willing to sacrifice what they want in part to help their country get on better footing and wish now more than ever to join talks with the other party to finally solve this issue, a lesson the conservatives need to bash into their heads, and fast. What we have now is the antithesis of a democracy: a bunch of grown men and women (both terms used loosely) who act like preschoolers when they don't get their way and are so ingrained in the teachings of their party that they can't try to *gasp* get into talks with each other and *double gasp* solve this problem before the American people and the many government employees out of pay right now get screwed even worse.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    The crumbling of our nation into anarchy & permanent martial law would solve the debt ceiling problem, eh?

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    The US is becoming less and less about democrats & republicans and more and more about lobbies for special interestgroups and the large money. Something The U.S. Supreme Court is hell-bent on expanding namely the influence one can have through vast amounts of money.
    The US goverment becomes more the property of the very rich than it will ever be of the people.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    SaintMark wrote:
    The US goverment becomes more the property of the very rich than it will ever be of the people.

    Scary, eh? OCP for real.
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    chrisisall wrote:
    SaintMark wrote:
    The US goverment becomes more the property of the very rich than it will ever be of the people.

    Scary, eh? OCP for real.

    I am constantly amazed how much foresight the makers of an all out action movie like Robocop displayed back then about the future development of the USA. Likewise the brilliant John Carpenter of the 70's (well, at least almost).
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    @Matt_Helm Wanna see where American NeoCons want the U.S. to end up on the social side of things? Watch "The Handmaid's Tale."
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    SaintMark wrote:
    The US is becoming less and less about democrats & republicans and more and more about lobbies for special interest groups and the large money. Something The U.S. Supreme Court is hell-bent on expanding namely the influence one can have through vast amounts of money.
    The US government becomes more the property of the very rich than it will ever be of the people.

    I couldn't agree more, although the two party system needs to be abolished in my estimation. It should be made possible for every man and woman to run for office without party oversights, and public funds should be allotted so anyone can do it. These parties routinely squash their own party candidates if they aren't completely on board with the party line. Sounds more and more like just one step above communism and dictatorship to me, if you don't have money you can't compete with the big two. We need more Ross Perot's and Jesse Ventura's, guys with money who thumb their noses at the establishment. Lobbyists should not be even allowed to privately contact politicians, let alone walk the halls of the Senate and House Of Representatives. Politicians should meet with their constituents openly at town hall meetings and bring the issues forward, and go with the will of the people and not the rich guy corrupting them behind the scenes. This is madness, a select group of individuals who are supposed to be representing the people, leading the USA to the brink of financial ruin over ideology. The Tea Party Republicans most especially, should be arrested and shot as traitors if you ask me.

  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Sir Henry nails common sense yet again.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Great points, @SirHenry, especially regarding parties who ostracize those who don't follow their lead. As I am sure you know, in the wide spectrum of American politics full of jobs for just about anything, there are people call "whips" whose primary job is to make those who don't agree with the decisions of the party change their view and follow the popular opinion.

    Ever since my brilliant high school teacher taught me of such a position, I have been sick over it. The very idea of individualism is squashed when such "whips" exist, and nobody should be forced upon by another for their beliefs, especially if they don't coincide with those in their party. By stomping on anyone who has the brass to say they don't like how the party is doing things and wishes to change that, we are not being true to the so-called freedom of speech we are supposed to have as an unalienable right. Add to that instances like this where politicians go under each others noses to pass restrictions or additions to some laws that completely change their meaning or purpose, and we are growing farther and farther from democracy and the foundations of freedom it was built upon. Our founding fathers would be appalled, and this is the kind of tyranny they wished us to fight against.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    As long as people can be bought, as long as wealth is concentrated, Democracy is still just a theory- an experiment at best. Wealth must be regarded like an athletic ability- something one CAN do well, but not something that defines one's importance as a human being. Certainly not something that indicates an ability to judge what's best for others...
  • This is relevant here: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/09/30/us/politics/the-back-and-forth-over-the-shutdown.html?ref=politics&_r=3&;

    I have to read the Federalist Papers for school, and it's just a wealth of brilliant insight. I'm going to try to read the whole thing.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Look on your sins.
  • chrisisall wrote:
    Look on your sins.

    Shouldn't that be Think On Your Sins?
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Shouldn't that be Think On Your Sins?

    Umm... yeah, my bad. :\">
  • chrisisall wrote:
    Shouldn't that be Think On Your Sins?

    Umm... yeah, my bad. :\">
    Nobody's perfect. Least of all Congress.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Nobody's perfect. Least of all Congress.
    They ACT on their sins, and then sin some more...
    :))
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    I wonder what they are going to do about the $90,000,000,000,000 in debt. This is funded and unfunded liabilities.
  • Perdogg wrote:
    I wonder what they are going to do about the $90,000,000,000,000 in debt. This is funded and unfunded liabilities.

    Not much, if recent history is any indication.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Perdogg wrote:
    I wonder what they are going to do about the $90,000,000,000,000 in debt.
    What Jack Burton says, the check is in the mail.
  • chrisisall wrote:
    Perdogg wrote:
    I wonder what they are going to do about the $90,000,000,000,000 in debt.
    What Jack Burton says, the check is in the mail.

    Pretty soon "Big Trouble in Little China" will apply to the whole country.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Pretty soon "Big Trouble in Little China" will apply to the whole country.

    That's a big yep.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    So the Republican loonies flushed an estimated 24 BILLION dollars on this political stunt that only served to make them look like the immature fools that they are. In THIS economy. I think that should call for some jail time, but it won't happen.
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    Great points, @SirHenry, especially regarding parties who ostracize those who don't follow their lead. As I am sure you know, in the wide spectrum of American politics full of jobs for just about anything, there are people call "whips" whose primary job is to make those who don't agree with the decisions of the party change their view and follow the popular opinion.

    Ever since my brilliant high school teacher taught me of such a position, I have been sick over it. The very idea of individualism is squashed when such "whips" exist, and nobody should be forced upon by another for their beliefs, especially if they don't coincide with those in their party. By stomping on anyone who has the brass to say they don't like how the party is doing things and wishes to change that, we are not being true to the so-called freedom of speech we are supposed to have as an unalienable right. Add to that instances like this where politicians go under each others noses to pass restrictions or additions to some laws that completely change their meaning or purpose, and we are growing farther and farther from democracy and the foundations of freedom it was built upon. Our founding fathers would be appalled, and this is the kind of tyranny they wished us to fight against.

    In a perfect world you're absolutely right, but in this special case (and quite often on this side of reality) one of the main problems obviously was,that the republican whip was not strong enough.
  • SuperintendentSuperintendent A separate pool. For sharks, no less.
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    Nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care...

  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    I adore Carlin. If he had been born centuries before our time, he would have been labeled as a top philosopher. So many of my opinions match his, and the heaps of stage performances he delivered are some of the greatest examples of both comedy, sincere honesty, and staggering genius that I have ever seen. Carlin knew exactly what the issues were, and let everyone know the truth.

    My favorite line of his is still this beauty:

    "It's called the American dream because you have to be asleep to believe it."
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    chrisisall wrote:
    So the Republican loonies flushed an estimated 24 BILLION dollars on this political stunt that only served to make them look like the immature fools that they are. In THIS economy. I think that should call for some jail time, but it won't happen.

    I think people who push running up our debt and pushing Obamacare on people should be doing jail time!! Ted Cruz and Mike Lee are patriots!
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Perdogg wrote:
    Ted Cruz and Mike Lee are patriots!
    There was a great line in Highlander- I think I'll use it here...

    Don't ever speak to me again.
    ;)

    At least not in a way that glorifies politicians. ANY politicians.
  • WillardWhyteWillardWhyte Midnight Society #ProjectMoon
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    our government is messed up....all politicians in Washington should be docked $10,000 per day the government was shut down for. I think that is a fair, considering all the BS they put all of us through. Both Rep & Dems are just as stupid as the other. If we don't fix this screwed up system soon, we will be known as The United States of China....

    This is the reality of the situation. Whether they wanna hear our voice or not, with them in office doing nothing but bitch and moan at each other....we are headed down the path of death.


    Corruption of politicians and giant companies are the main reason this nation will fail ultimately. Who ever is up for re-election the next time I urge all of you to vote against them. There needs to be term limits....we cant let people boehner, reid, polozy(how ever the hell you spell it), mccain,.......these are just a few people who supposedly represent us but they don't, they really don't, they only care about themselves..... and anybody who thinks otherwise is delusional...ask yourself what have they done for us, besides causing problems that we have to pay for??????
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