A '69 & '71 question for the 'Originals'

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  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    I also don't believe the moon landing was faked.

    I agree. In fact I'm always amused when people say it was faked. I think the logistics involved in faking something on that level and keeping it a secret for nearly half a century is more far fetched and complicated than dong it for real!

    My eccentric yet brilliant Science teacher told us that there were apparently people using telescopes to watch the space vehicles landing on the moon and that was enough for me, really.
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    Dragonpol wrote:
    I also don't believe the moon landing was faked.

    I agree. In fact I'm always amused when people say it was faked. I think the logistics involved in faking something on that level and keeping it a secret for nearly half a century is more far fetched and complicated than dong it for real!

    My eccentric yet brilliant Science teacher told us that there were apparently people using telescopes to watch the space vehicles landing on the moon and that was enough for me, really.

    Plus, I've seen Independence Day and when the spaceship passes over the moon, you can clearly see the landing site. That's proof enough for me ;-)
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Dragonpol wrote:
    I also don't believe the moon landing was faked.

    I agree. In fact I'm always amused when people say it was faked. I think the logistics involved in faking something on that level and keeping it a secret for nearly half a century is more far fetched and complicated than dong it for real!

    My eccentric yet brilliant Science teacher told us that there were apparently people using telescopes to watch the space vehicles landing on the moon and that was enough for me, really.

    Plus, I've seen Independence Day and when the spaceship passes over the moon, you can clearly see the landing site. That's proof enough for me ;-)

    What can I say, sometimes less is more for me, though I do enjoy studying various crazy conspiracy theories.
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    Dragonpol wrote:
    Dragonpol wrote:
    I also don't believe the moon landing was faked.

    I agree. In fact I'm always amused when people say it was faked. I think the logistics involved in faking something on that level and keeping it a secret for nearly half a century is more far fetched and complicated than dong it for real!

    My eccentric yet brilliant Science teacher told us that there were apparently people using telescopes to watch the space vehicles landing on the moon and that was enough for me, really.

    Plus, I've seen Independence Day and when the spaceship passes over the moon, you can clearly see the landing site. That's proof enough for me ;-)

    What can I say, sometimes less is more for me, though I do enjoy studying various crazy conspiracy theories.

    I love reading and listening to the mad ramblings of conspiracy theorists. It's always entertaining. "9/11 was conducted by the U.S. Government" is a personal favourite. Loony Toons doesn't even come close to describing these people! :-)
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Dragonpol wrote:
    Dragonpol wrote:
    I also don't believe the moon landing was faked.

    I agree. In fact I'm always amused when people say it was faked. I think the logistics involved in faking something on that level and keeping it a secret for nearly half a century is more far fetched and complicated than dong it for real!

    My eccentric yet brilliant Science teacher told us that there were apparently people using telescopes to watch the space vehicles landing on the moon and that was enough for me, really.

    Plus, I've seen Independence Day and when the spaceship passes over the moon, you can clearly see the landing site. That's proof enough for me ;-)

    What can I say, sometimes less is more for me, though I do enjoy studying various crazy conspiracy theories.

    I love reading and listening to the mad ramblings of conspiracy theorists. It's always entertaining. "9/11 was conducted by the U.S. Government" is a personal favourite. Loony Toons doesn't even come close to describing these people! :-)

    Me too. I could get lost in all those Pope is the Antichrist and Illuminati and Reptilian theories to the crack of doom, usually on You Tube!
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    Here's something I just thought about when it came to movies back then, it may be a little bit gross to some- does anyone remember when movie theaters in the early 70's used to pass out "barf bags" for certain horror films? I was a kid and technically not allowed in but we always used to get someone's older brother or sister going legally to sneak us in through the side door. Not one of those barf bag specials ever made me feel ill. I knew I'd seen worse in real life.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Yeah, there were a lot of interesting gimicks back then. I liked the one where theatre management cannot be responsible for those with weak hearts...
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Here's something I just thought about when it came to movies back then, it may be a little bit gross to some- does anyone remember when movie theaters in the early 70's used to pass out "barf bags" for certain horror films? I was a kid and technically not allowed in but we always used to get someone's older brother or sister going legally to sneak us in through the side door. Not one of those barf bag specials ever made me feel ill. I knew I'd seen worse in real life.

    Well, I'd imagine you were made of sterner stuff than that, Sir Henry, even then!
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    chrisisall wrote:
    Yeah, there were a lot of interesting gimicks back then. I liked the one where theatre management cannot be responsible for those with weak hearts...

    Wasn't that the gimmick they used for The Exorcist? I remember saying when Regan hurled the projectile vomit "Split pea soup!". I was 12.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    I remember saying when Regan hurled the projective vomit "Split pea soup!". I was 12.
    That's funny, I just laughed out loud! I was 13.
  • I'll try not to mention that one in my cooking thread :)
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    "Is Superman giving you any trouble?"
    Funny, since Mankiewicz basically re-wrote the script for Donner's film... :))
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    chrisisall wrote:
    "Is Superman giving you any trouble?"
    Funny, since Mankiewicz basically re-wrote the script for Donner's film... :))

    Yes, though after the fact. Loony Tunes get a mention too, of course!
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  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Tracy wrote:


    ;)

    Interesting, though I fail to see the relevance unless it is a reference to the theory that the moon landing was faked?!

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    chrisisall wrote:
    In the OHMSS & DAF years we were landing on & driving on the Moon.
    My question here is, which was more fascinating at the time, Bond or Moon Rovers?

    For myself, I wasn't old enough to see OHMSS in the theatre, so I can only compare DAF to the later Apollo missions, but I have to say that going to the Moon definitely trumped Bond for me as a kid. DAF began my fascination with Bond, but space, the final frontier, was gripping. Yeah, I had the DAF Corgi Moon-buggy (what a tie-in to cool stuff, eh?), however the LM & Apollo models were what I really concentrated on.

    When Moon missions ended, and LALD came out, all that changed... ;)

    Thoughts/memories?
    Yes interesting. Well I was aware of the Apollo missions before I knew of Bond. I had Apollo model kits. They were all the rage. They were real fun to play with.
    I didn't discover Bond until seeing DAF in all its big screen glory in 1972. By then I think the Apollo moon craze had died down and I thus became a proper 12 year old Bond nut, scrounging up the Fleming paperbacks whereever I could find them, generally from friend's parents bookshelves, and traveling all over town watching the Bond double-bills that seemed to regularly turn-up. The "old" Bond movies could pack theatres all through the '70s.
    chrisisall wrote:
    I was nine for the first Moon landing (and already a long time Star Trek fan), and eleven for DAF. I was fixated on space from age six onward, so the Moon landings rocked my world. However, at eleven, Tiffany Case lit my hormonal fuse....
    Tiffany Case, best Bond-girl ever!! My first Bond girl! The perfect woman really. Smart, sassy, brassy. I guess we tend to look most fondly on our first.
    Late 60's and the 70's had plenty of escapist fare - but also excellent, far reaching, and top notch drama, too. The Godfather, The Exorcist, Dirty Harry, The French Connection, Straw Dogs, Klute, and I'm just scratching the surface here - there were many fine films produced then; ones that were original enough, and dour enough that they probably would not get greenlit in Hollywood these days.
    Yes, '70s movie were a lot of fun. Real good teenage popcorn fare. My buds and I would flock to basically any of the action films put out by Eastwood, Charlie Bronson or Burt Reynolds.




  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    timmer wrote:
    Tiffany Case, best Bond-girl ever!! My first Bond girl! The perfect woman really. Smart, sassy, brassy. I guess we tend to look most fondly on our first.

    Between her and Sherry Jackson (Andrea on the "What Are Little Girls Made Of" episode of Star Trek) I was tres combustible... @-)
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    Ah yes, Sherry Jackson. Can't say I remember her. But I am sure I saw that Star Trek episode. Star Trek played to heavy syndication in the '70s, especially after school, along with that other colour tv stalwart, Batman.
    Sherry Jackson.
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    As for seventies guitar gods. No contest. Keith Richards and Jimmy Page.
  • @timmer- Richards was mainly the rhythm guy, and Ron Wood was a lot better guitar player for my money. I can play guitar at least as good as both of those guys and consider them more 60's in style that 70's.

    Eddie Van Halen for me as the guitar god of the 70's. An innovator like Page, but cleaner and faster solos. A huge influence on generations to come. Another innovator who belongs in that group is Brian May. Ritchie Blackmore also comes to mind. I'll have to think about this some more when my brain isn't quite so fried after 3 stressful hours getting a gumbo ready for a dinner and NFL football party.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    I think I mostly liked the music Keith wrote. And he wears it well, in my opinion :)
    For me, as a total nonmusician, I can think of these folks as being really influential for guitarists/rock-n-roll:

    Hendrix - major innovator, dazzling, astounding what he did with a guitar
    Jimmy Page - for sure, innovative, impressive, for me the start of metal and Led Zep's music is still one of my favorites
    Clapton - fantastic player (yes, I hear you now, SirHenry ...) Here is a summary of Clapton from Rolling Stone. I rather like what is written here:
    It first appeared in 1965, written on the walls of the London subway: "Clapton is God." Eric Patrick Clapton, of Ripley, England — fresh out of his first major band, the Yardbirds, and recently inducted into John Mayall's Bluesbreakers — had just turned twenty and been playing guitar only since he was fifteen. But Clapton was already soloing with the improvisational nerve that has dazzled fans and peers for forty years. In his 1963-65 stint with the Yardbirds, Clapton's nickname was Slowhand, an ironic reference to the velocity of his lead breaks. But Clapton insisted in a 2001 Rolling Stone interview, "I think it's important to say something powerful and keep it economical." Even when he jammed on a tune for more than a quarter-hour with Cream, Clapton soloed with a dagger-like tone and pinpoint attention to melody. The solo albums that followed Layla, his 1970 tour de force with Derek and the Dominos, emphasize his desires as a singer-songwriter. But on the best, like 1974's 46I Ocean Boulevard and 1983's Money and Cigarettes, his solos and flourishes still pack the power that made him "God" in the first place.
    Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/music/lists/100-greatest-guitarists-of-all-time-19691231/eric-clapton-20101202#ixzz2isPLkufV

    B.B. King - influenced pretty much every guitar player, or at least any that wanted some blues infused into their rock, from what I can tell

    Duane Allman - really memorable, in my opinion, a fine guitarist

    Van Halen - another innovator, blindingly fast guitar licks and, well, fun!

    I can name some others (Les Paul, anyone?) but I am out of time and out of what is within my personal experience pretty much. I just felt like listing these today. Detractors carry on ...





  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Clapton... Lethal Weapon...
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    The Elvis clip was mostly posted in jest :D

    I know nothing about Clapton but I loved his work on Communion.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Tracy wrote:
    The Elvis clip was mostly posted in jest :D

    I know nothing about Clapton but I loved his work on Communion.

    Ah! I see now. You are an MI6 legend, I believe, so it's very nice to converse with you, @Tracy. I'm also becoming a bit of an Elvis fan.
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    Personally I vote Keith Richards as the greatest guitarist that ever lived. He probably personally created at least half of the dozen or so core riffs that form the basis of rock music. Actually a music reviewer made that observation. Not me. Richards I think sleeps with his guitar. From reading his book, I think he actually might have in his formative, young rock n' roller days. Richards propulsive riffing and patented guitar licks drive most Stones songs along, not to mention the brilliant "guitar weaving" and licks trading that he and Ron Wood engage in. Wood and Richards guitars practically talk to each other.

    As for the lead guitar types. Page is God. Others of deity level, Beck. Clapton (before he got real boring) Hendrix of course. Brian May for sure. Ritchie Blackmore of course, and the master of the metal riff, one of the great innovators, Tony Iommi. Short term Stones guitarist Mick Taylor was quite brilliant as well.

    I also like Slash and Steve Jones from the Sex Pistols. Jones is a worthy Keith Richards guitarist. He sure pushed along the Pistols songs - the few that they actually recorded.

    And Pete Townshend deserves mention. Especially on Who live albums. Powerful stuff.

    Of the prog guitarists, Steve Howe and Steve Hackett I think are most impactful.
    The guitar work with the Clash is really good too. Even credit I think, to both Joe Strummer and Mick Jones. They had a kind of Stones, Beatles, guitar-weave thing going on.

    I focus here on classic-rock era guitarists. Their legacies are established and they are the innovators that made rock music a major mainstream force.
    Not to say there aren't many great young guitarists, because surely there has to be.
    Guitar work with Metallica and Nirvana I think is exceptional as well, and then there is Angus Young, one of the great heavy rhythm and riff, creators and players.
  • Yanking this discussion out of the realm of music and back into the realm of spy fiction: the next Bond film I will be reviewing over in the "Originals" section gets a lot of grief for one element that I personally will be giving a pass to, thanks to the influence of one of the comic books I reference earlier in this topic thread. Would anybody care to hazard a guess as to what element that might be?

    BTW: Yes, Mick Taylor did some brilliant work during his tenure with the Stones. He's probably my preferred "other" guitarist for that band, leaving aside Keith Richard who is undeniably Godlike.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Invisicar?
  • chrisisall wrote:
    Invisicar?

    Damn you beat me to it!

  • Man, THAT was quick! Yes, the invisible car gets a pass from me -- because Nick Fury, Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D. had an invisible car back in 1967! I figured Bond getting one 3 decades later was no big deal...but it seems like I'm about the only person in the western world to feel that way!
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    Man, THAT was quick! Yes, the invisible car gets a pass from me -- because Nick Fury, Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D. had an invisible car back in 1967! I figured Bond getting one 3 decades later was no big deal...but it seems like I'm about the only person in the western world to feel that way!

    The problem is, SHIELD is a comic book/sci-fi. Bond is neither but I'm sure @SirHenry will be happy to include it as a part of his thesis questions next week ;-)
  • In the '60s, the S.H.I.E.L.D. strip was something of a comic book Bond, especially in the hands of artist/writer Jim Steranko. The current SHIELD TV series (note the lack of P.E.R.I.O.D.s) is a very different animal...
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