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It's not just Oscar, SF won many prestigious awards, hardly any critics called it a bad film unlike QOS/SP.
Rather sweeping statements about those who disagree on certain aspects of SF opposed to its defenders. I went into SF with high expectations as I do all new Bond films and knowing it had great acclaim likely set them even higher. I was thrilled to have Sam Mendes, whose previous work I'd admired, on board. To say I went in looking to hate is completely false and presumptive.
I came away with impressions it was probably the best directed and best photographed film of the series and featured the best villain in years. But ultimately I was underwhelmed by the film as a whole. The action was some of the least satisfying; too much Dench M; very reminiscent of TWINE and The Dark Knight among the main factors in my impressions.
I'd hardly call a fall from hundreds of feet off a bridge "slightly OTT." Crashing a motorcycle through a window at a bazaar is slightly OTT. So fall from a great height actually is a big issue in that context. Jaws is the only character who can get away with that. And some of the explanations above of how it's possible to survive such a fall, which I don't dispute, are similar to those who like to also argue the flying-into-the-plane in the GE teaser is possible. Maybe, but it doesn't mean I buy into it any more.
I like QoS but am equally outraged by the late-opening parachute that saves Bond and Camille being just as unbelievable as neither come out with so much as a limp. I just think the SF scene could've had a better outcome. Having Bond shot was shock enough and could've sufficed. They could've just and collapse on the train roof and then disappear, leaving it up to the viewer what happened to him or get him to the water in another way. Instead, they went the GE route with having to gone further flying into the plane/falling from a great height.
Awards are fine, I don't use them as a measuring stick and am glad when the series gets recognized after years of being dismissed. But when Thomas Newman gets honored and John Barry's superior scores that actually stand out in the memory never did it does cause me to pause. And if you value that so much do you also consider Sam Smith's Oscar for SP's title song just as valid as SF? They're both Oscar winners. I remember not being thrilled that Christoph Waltz was cast in SP, not because he's not talented but the guy specializes in playing shady guys and villains, that's too obvious.
I just find that with the films held in the highest regard it's more interesting to discuss what some of us find less satisfying when it's well argued than pointing out the obvious in saying CGI parasurfing is atrocious and that Brofeld was a horrible idea. SF may have hallmarks of being great, but that doesn't make it untouchable.
Of course. But this isn't SKYFALL: Is this a perfect film?
I think FRWL is the best film, but I wouldn’t call it perfect or untouchable.
Exactly my point. And FRWL is a completely fair choice for best Bond film. I'd be tempted to choose CR myself. Skyfall does have my favourite scene ever in a Bond film, though, the Dead Island.
M: '' Nah im going to recite some poetry ''.
M dies at the end of the movie.Everyone cheers.
Yeah I think there are perfect films, but much as I like Bond films I don't think there are any of those which fall into that category.
MR immediately topped it.
Only a handful of Bond fans will say SF is the best. Likewise, only a handful would say it's GF. Or FRWL. Or CR.
While I am on board with SF being the best of the series, I can see serious validity in DN, FRWL, GF, TB, YOLT, OHMSS, LALD, TSWLM, and CR receiving heavy consideration.
Back in 2016, @Gustav_Graves did an extensive poll. The results are pretty much in line with what I would expect (LALD being as low as it is being the only true shocker for me):
https://www.mi6community.com/discussion/16631/bond-polls-2016-the-top-10-james-bond-007-film-ranking-contest-results-winner-on-page-60/p60
I think a script polish, to close the plot holes, by someone like Christopher McQuarrie, could have resulted in the perfect Bond film.
Silva knows exactly where and when he and Bond are going to be in order to set off an explosion at the precise moment that a train is passing so that it crashes down on Bond?
Bond and M go alone to Skyfall knowing that Silva and his minions will follow? Surely bringing reinforcements would have been prudent.
There’s more but, I’ll have to rewatch it and make notes.
M specifically tells Bond she doesn't want to bring anyone else, because she doesn't want anyone else to die because of her. "Just us."
I think Tanner not getting M out of parliament, knowing Silva is on the loose and after her, is illogical and bordering on a plot hole, but it's not quite there. Something really has to take me out of the film for it to be a hole IMO.
:)) Someone should make a thread called Skyfall and Plotholes: A Study, begin with the definition of a plot hole, and then go down the list of all the things people claim are plot holes in the film, and try to defend against them.
I'm not saying there aren't any, but I don't think it's as riddled with them as people think.
Perhaps... Skyfail and Plotholes: A Study? That’s how clever and original these declarations of plot holes seem to be. ;)
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If they take you out of the story and prevent you from being engaged, that does suck for sure.
Because it’s not the same car from CR. ;)
It’s the car from Goldfinger, his father brought it with him to Scotland when he retired from MI6.
There you go, a lapse in logic; it absolutely should be the car from CR 😏