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  • MongooseFightMongooseFight
    Posts: 25
    Tom Cruise is a great actor. Remember that run in the 1990s when he did a Kubrick film and then Magnolia. He has the goods. I just think he's become a bit reliant on franchise films. Especially with such dreck as The Mummy...

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    Who would win in a fight against Craig's Bond vs Ethan Hunt? I think Bond hand's down. This guy has the scrappiest fights on cranes, planes, helicopters about 500ft in the air. He's reckless.

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  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    I definitely would give the edge to Craig's Bond but it would be an epic fight.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    Hand to hand? Bond has it. Comfortably, I'd imagine. Hunt's got some extreme driving skills though.
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
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    mtm wrote: »
    TripAces wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    suavejmf wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    suavejmf wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    It’s fair to say that “ going rogue” has been overdone throughout the entire spy genre.

    Agreed. And every time it’s portrayed as a ‘new idea’, or ‘breaking the formula.’

    When is it portrayed as that?
    NickTwentyTwo wrote: »
    Similarly to ‘the villain is ex-MI6” or associated with MI6 somehow.

    I think that's an issue (and probably more prevalent in MI than JB) because it's a way of keeping it non-political and without portraying another country (or religion) as an enemy but still on the side of vaguely believable without going to super-rich supervillains on private islands.

    In the press releases and press conferences @mtm.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cultofmac.com/329967/james-bond-goes-rogue-to-catch-his-spectre/amp/

    Not in that link, no.
    You're saying every time they say him going rogue is a new idea and breaking the formula? They don't do that, no; it doesn't happen.

    jobo wrote: »
    MI is nothing, nothing compared to Bond!

    No, it's excellent. I probably prefer Bond but the MI films have been superb this decade. I don't see it as a competition and I get to enjoy both.

    I prefer Bond, and it's because of DC. And though many do not like it, EON's strategic move to make Bond a little more human and relatable, with an acknowledged backstory, has been huge. Sure, EON was taking a page out of the Marvel playbook, but it's a step in the right direction.

    Surely Eon had headed down this path before Marvel movies started?
    jobo wrote: »
    Tom Cruise is a stuntman. That's it... He has never been a convincing actor.

    Don't be silly. He's a very well-established movie star (since before quite a few people on this board were born! :) ) for a good reason.

    He should have won an Oscar for Best Supporting Actor for Magnolia. Got robbed on that.

    He was very good in Born on the Fourth of July, Rain Man, The Last Samurai, Jerry Maguire, Vanilla Sky (one of my all time guilty pleasures), Minority Report, and Collateral.And then there's Tropic Thunder, which is a whole new level of "Tom Cruise." LOL
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    He says Vanilla Sky is his favourite film he’s been in. I haven’t seen it but want to check it out.
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
    edited November 2020 Posts: 4,588
    NickTwentyTwo wrote: »
    He says Vanilla Sky is his favourite film he’s been in. I haven’t seen it but want to check it out.

    If you love pop culture, you'll love Vanilla Sky. It's Cameron Crowe's ode to music and film, all wrapped up in a mind-bending thriller. The soundtrack is fantastic. The opening shot alone is West Side Story, Rosemary's Baby. John Lennon, and Radiohead all rolled into one (intentionally).

  • DenbighDenbigh UK
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    I quite liked Knight and Day :) I found it a really funny twist on the genre.
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    NickTwentyTwo wrote: »
    He says Vanilla Sky is his favourite film he’s been in. I haven’t seen it but want to check it out.

    It’s a great film. It’s defiantly a movie that showcases Cruise an an actor, as well as a star.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    Posts: 7,588
    suavejmf wrote: »
    NickTwentyTwo wrote: »
    He says Vanilla Sky is his favourite film he’s been in. I haven’t seen it but want to check it out.

    It’s a great film. It’s defiantly a movie that showcases Cruise an an actor, as well as a star.

    Nice, I'll have to check it out.
  • Escalus5Escalus5
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    VANILLA SKY is embarrassingly bad.

    If you're interested in seeing the same story done well, check out the Spanish-language original (also co-starring Penelope Cruz), OPEN YOUR EYES.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    Posts: 7,588
    Hah, opinions! Now I'll definitely have to check it out.
  • Benjamin_Weekly69Benjamin_Weekly69 London
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    It's interesting, back when they both came out in 2012, i thought Skyfall was a way better film than DJango. But rewatching them recently, Django is now so much better than Skyfall it's not even a comparison.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    DJANGO is probably among my least favorite of Tarantino’s films. His next western THE HATEFUL EIGHT was much better.
  • AstonLotusAstonLotus
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    jobo wrote: »
    Tom Cruise is a stuntman. That's it... He has never been a convincing actor. It is impressive to see all the acrobatics he can do in MI, but the character of Ethan Hunt is as boring as a splodge of wet concrete. What are his defining character traits apart from being an infallible trick artist? Nothing. There is nothing interesting about him at all! Were he a female, people would bash him for being a "Mary Sue"...

    Hes been one of the worlds most successful movie stars for over three DECADES.And outside MI,has an incredible body of work as an actor.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    edited November 2020 Posts: 7,588
    AstonLotus wrote: »
    jobo wrote: »
    Tom Cruise is a stuntman. That's it... He has never been a convincing actor. It is impressive to see all the acrobatics he can do in MI, but the character of Ethan Hunt is as boring as a splodge of wet concrete. What are his defining character traits apart from being an infallible trick artist? Nothing. There is nothing interesting about him at all! Were he a female, people would bash him for being a "Mary Sue"...

    Hes been one of the worlds most successful movie stars for over three DECADES.And outside MI,has an incredible body of work as an actor.

    Agree with all of this. The marketing for the Mission Impossible films, though, is always centered around "What will Tom Cruise' Big Stunt Be This Time?" Whether it's scaling the Burj Khalifa, holding is breath all day, holding on to an aircraft, HALO jumping...
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    Posts: 8,243
    NickTwentyTwo wrote: »
    AstonLotus wrote: »
    jobo wrote: »
    Tom Cruise is a stuntman. That's it... He has never been a convincing actor. It is impressive to see all the acrobatics he can do in MI, but the character of Ethan Hunt is as boring as a splodge of wet concrete. What are his defining character traits apart from being an infallible trick artist? Nothing. There is nothing interesting about him at all! Were he a female, people would bash him for being a "Mary Sue"...

    Hes been one of the worlds most successful movie stars for over three DECADES.And outside MI,has an incredible body of work as an actor.

    Agree with all of this. The marketing for the Mission Impossible films, though, is always centered around "What will Tom Cruise' Big Stunt Be This Time?" Whether it's scaling the Burj Khalifa, holding is breath all day, holding on to an aircraft, HALO jumping...

    True, but for this type of film what are they going to do focus on the more subtle moments? They might be overshadowed by the action set pieces but from deeply emotional to lightly comedic Tom has done some fine acting in the MI series.

  • BT3366BT3366
    Posts: 1,926
    TripAces wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    TripAces wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    suavejmf wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    suavejmf wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    It’s fair to say that “ going rogue” has been overdone throughout the entire spy genre.

    Agreed. And every time it’s portrayed as a ‘new idea’, or ‘breaking the formula.’

    When is it portrayed as that?
    NickTwentyTwo wrote: »
    Similarly to ‘the villain is ex-MI6” or associated with MI6 somehow.

    I think that's an issue (and probably more prevalent in MI than JB) because it's a way of keeping it non-political and without portraying another country (or religion) as an enemy but still on the side of vaguely believable without going to super-rich supervillains on private islands.

    In the press releases and press conferences @mtm.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cultofmac.com/329967/james-bond-goes-rogue-to-catch-his-spectre/amp/

    Not in that link, no.
    You're saying every time they say him going rogue is a new idea and breaking the formula? They don't do that, no; it doesn't happen.

    jobo wrote: »
    MI is nothing, nothing compared to Bond!

    No, it's excellent. I probably prefer Bond but the MI films have been superb this decade. I don't see it as a competition and I get to enjoy both.

    I prefer Bond, and it's because of DC. And though many do not like it, EON's strategic move to make Bond a little more human and relatable, with an acknowledged backstory, has been huge. Sure, EON was taking a page out of the Marvel playbook, but it's a step in the right direction.

    Surely Eon had headed down this path before Marvel movies started?
    jobo wrote: »
    Tom Cruise is a stuntman. That's it... He has never been a convincing actor.

    Don't be silly. He's a very well-established movie star (since before quite a few people on this board were born! :) ) for a good reason.

    He should have won an Oscar for Best Supporting Actor for Magnolia. Got robbed on that.

    He was very good in Born on the Fourth of July, Rain Man, The Last Samurai, Jerry Maguire, Vanilla Sky (one of my all time guilty pleasures), Minority Report, and Collateral.And then there's Tropic Thunder, which is a whole new level of "Tom Cruise." LOL

    Agree on Magnolia. It's a great showcase of Cruise's versatility, and I've long said he should've won for Jerry McGuire too. He was the only one of the five nominated actors that year whose performance didn't require some type of physical characteristic that helped them stand out; Cruise didn't have that to fall back on.
    suavejmf wrote: »
    NickTwentyTwo wrote: »
    He says Vanilla Sky is his favourite film he’s been in. I haven’t seen it but want to check it out.

    It’s a great film. It’s defiantly a movie that showcases Cruise an an actor, as well as a star.

    Agree again. Underrated film, excellent cast (Penelope Cruz aside) that you can watch again and again and discover new things each time out, which is something I love to do.
  • Benjamin_Weekly69Benjamin_Weekly69 London
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    Watch Tom Cruise in Magnolia and Collateral of you think he is just a “stuntman”.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    edited November 2020 Posts: 8,201
    Magnolia was the most pretentious movie I’ve ever seen. It’s just three hours of build up to raining frogs. But Cruise was pretty good in it, but he’s given better performances. He should have gotten at least a nod for supporting in RAIN MAN.

    That said, I think the comments on him being a stuntman is a reflection on the fact that he no longer chooses interesting projects like he did back in the 80s and 90s, when he wasn’t known for doing crazy stunts. That’s the Tom Cruise I miss.
  • patbpatb
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    Was Cruise in Skyfall? Perhaps as a stuntman?
  • 007InAction007InAction Australia
    edited November 2020 Posts: 2,579
    patb wrote: »
    Was Cruise in Skyfall? Perhaps as a stuntman?

    Can we get back on topic please.
    CASINO ROYALE: Is this the best Bond film? :)>-
  • jobojobo
    Posts: 7,507
    007InAction wrote: »
    patb wrote: »
    Was Cruise in Skyfall? Perhaps as a stuntman?

    Can we get back on topic please.
    CASINO ROYALE: Is this the best Bond film? :)>-

    It's better than any MI film, that's for sure ;)
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    Posts: 16,357
    The honor of Best Bond film goes to GoldenEye, obviously. ;)
  • 007InAction007InAction Australia
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    jobo wrote: »
    007InAction wrote: »
    patb wrote: »
    Was Cruise in Skyfall? Perhaps as a stuntman?

    Can we get back on topic please.
    CASINO ROYALE: Is this the best Bond film? :)>-

    It's better than any MI film, that's for sure ;)

    For sure...........
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    Posts: 8,243
    This topic could evolve into, you’re on your deathbed and can watch one last Bond, which one , not two, not three, would it be?
    It a tough call but mine would be Casino Royale
  • jetsetwillyjetsetwilly
    Posts: 3,327
    Murdock wrote: »
    The honor of Best Bond film goes to Goldfinger, obviously. ;)

    You made a spelling mistake in your assessment, so I corrected it for you. You spelt the first four letters right, but then I couldn't make sense of the rest... ;)
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    SF is a fine Bond film, but the first half hour of GF is better than all of SF.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    FRWL is clearly the best.
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
    edited November 2020 Posts: 4,588
    For me, FRWL, GF, TB, CR, and SF are a slight cut above the rest. Put them in any order you want. I still have SF as my top choice, but it's a subjective thing, and it grabbed me emotionally. DAF, TMWTGG, and LTK are my guilty pleasures: I know these are bad movies, but I love them for their pure b-movie silliness. Bottom line is, there are good arguments for almost every Bond film to be considered the "best"...except for maybe MR. ;)
  • jobojobo
    Posts: 7,507
    TripAces wrote: »
    For me, FRWL, GF, TB, CR, and SF are a slight cut above the rest. Put them in any order you want. I still have SF as my top choice, but it's a subjective thing, and it grabbed me emotionally. DAF, TMWTGG, and LTK are my guilty pleasures: I know these are bad movies, but I love them for their pure b-movie silliness. Bottom line is, there are good arguments for almost every Bond film to be considered the "best"...except for maybe MR. ;)

    LTK is not a bad movie!
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